Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 3 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

dastardly00

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

Congratulations to Emeralds on winning Div 3 of the Féile

Turloughmore won it out

Thanks for keeping us updated

dubcat51

kk1970 wrote: »

Colin hasn't had a good game for about 3 years now. He can't start the next match.

Wexford in last years championship when he took them on by himself.waterford in 16 replay

minty81

Strange last night that teams weren't named over the PA prior to throw in. Was it part of the dummy team strategy!!

JJs Left Hand

Never announced attendance either.

Think it was just too hot for your man to be honest

Ceist_Beag

usualstripes wrote: »

I'm not sure was it by chance that padraig ended up in the half back line. Was he following his man?

I was watching Padraig second half and he really did show leadership when needed as he wanted the ball from Murphy a number of times to get moves going. The first burst forward was from the fullback line and it's like he got a taste for it after that as he told Paddy to fill in for him as he stayed in the half back line for the next puc out. He did this a couple more times so presumably he was given licence to do so at half time. I give him a lot of credit for changing the momentum as his driving runs really squeezed Wexford back.

Hawkeye6

Three of the four counties that had to play four consecutive weeks in the provincial round robin are Out of the All-Ireland series (Offaly, Tipperary and Waterford). Wexford were the fourth.
Colm Bonnar (Carlow manager) spoke at the weekend at his disappointment that the McDonagh Cup would be reduced to 5 teams next year as it was great this year with six teams and with all playing at the same time, it was a level playing field. Significant stat for any end of year review.
On the other side, if Limerick are not beaten by Clare next weekend, the 2 counties (Limerick and Galway) who had the "Play 2-Bye-Play 2" sequence, deemed to be the ideal scenario will have both been the only unbeaten counties in the round robins. If combined with the first stat, you think there is significance, then you could possibly put a question mark about how far ahead they really are when all teams are rested similarly. Regardless, interesting on a rushed, knee jerk (to Super 8s) and poorly designed league system.

KAMG

Agree with most of your points but wasn't it Clare who had that schedule in Munster. They played 2. Had a week off. Played against Tipp and now play Limerick next Weekend.

bodun

KAMG wrote: »

Agree with most of your points but wasn't it Clare who had that schedule in Munster. They played 2. Had a week off. Played against Tipp and now play Limerick next Weekend.

Yea and Galway had Offaly first then a week off followed by 3 games in a row. Didn't Dublin have the "2 and 2" in Leinster?

RayVaughan1984

Ceist_Beag wrote: »

I was watching Padraig second half and he really did show leadership when needed as he wanted the ball from Murphy a number of times to get moves going. The first burst forward was from the fullback line and it's like he got a taste for it after that as he told Paddy to fill in for him as he stayed in the half back line for the next puc out. He did this a couple more times so presumably he was given licence to do so at half time. I give him a lot of credit for changing the momentum as his driving runs really squeezed Wexford back.

He was oustanding second half.Serious fightback from KK.Brilliant stuff.

babyjesus14

Ceist_Beag wrote: »

I was watching Padraig second half and he really did show leadership when needed as he wanted the ball from Murphy a number of times to get moves going. The first burst forward was from the fullback line and it's like he got a taste for it after that as he told Paddy to fill in for him as he stayed in the half back line for the next puc out. He did this a couple more times so presumably he was given licence to do so at half time. I give him a lot of credit for changing the momentum as his driving runs really squeezed Wexford back.

There wasn't a great deal of structure to Wexford's forwards in the second half, they started to bunch quite a lot and hence our defence did which really suited us. But from what I could work out Paddy Deegan played the closest to a conventional full back role in the second half and Padraig Walsh had more freedom to push up and was a joy to watch. Whether this was a management decision or the players decided it themselves but there is definitely food for thought for the Leinster Final.

dzer2

I actually credited Paul Murphy with going in full back. It looked like a player decision with the backs, they stopped running after the forwards and set up to stop the ball being played into space. Leahy and Mossy played a big part in this as they dropped to just behind our 65 for the puck outs. Also Walter stayed in on the edge of the square and the addition of Blanchfield forced the sweeper to drop behind the full backs hence more room for Tj. Just a point missed Scanlon made some great runs in the second half that if the ball had gone into him he would have been in on goal.

babyjesus14

dzer2 wrote: »

I actually credited Paul Murphy with going in full back. It looked like a player decision with the backs, they stopped running after the forwards and set up to stop the ball being played into space. Leahy and Mossy played a big part in this as they dropped to just behind our 65 for the puck outs. Also Walter stayed in on the edge of the square and the addition of Blanchfield forced the sweeper to drop behind the full backs hence more room for Tj. Just a point missed Scanlon made some great runs in the second half that if the ball had gone into him he would have been in on goal.

Yeah, as i said there wasn't much structure to that half of the pitch, i was at that end of the ground and definitely on a couple of the Wexford restarts Paddy was standing in the conventional full back spot. One thing is for sure Padraig didn't play as a full back in the second half.

Hawkeye6

9 Wins from that last 10 competitive matches! Isn’t that what it is all about?... scoring more than the opposition. At least that’s what I thought or do people want something different? Anyway, more anon.

Discussion points from the match. Team selection; Went from one extreme to the other. From almost never a dummy team to the ultimate in a dummy team. So much so that the team lineouts were not even announced. I’m sure that wasn’t the stadium announcers call. Every single player on the panel was in his jersey (no tops or bibs) and on the pitch for the National Anthem. Doesn’t usually happen either. Subs usually go to the side line. The players and management obviously knew the lineout and plan, but how much anyone else knew, is hard to tell. I’m sure it wrecked Davy’s head that Kilkenny were so unpredictable. Did it work? As one poster said it was either genius or almost backfired. I’ll go with both. Anyway we don’t do “tactics”.

Padraig Walsh has been mentioned in a lot of post-match posts. If somebody wants to trawl through my posts over the past year they will see I was one of the first to question Padraig’s placing at full back. Now with the benefit of seeing the bigger picture, I see its purpose more clearly and I think it maybe the best for the team now. The main big plus is that nobody who plays a sweeper against us will beat us. Our “system”, when we apply it properly, as we did in the second half, is almost unbreakable. The suggestion of putting Conor Delaney there is ludicrous this year. We are in a Leinster Final followed by either a knockout All-Ireland semi Final or Quarter Final and lads are looking for experimentation now. Seriously? Obviously there is the issue if Padraig gets injured, but hopefully the management team has a plan B rehearsed in training. Conor could possibly be there in the future but there is better on the way over the next 2/3 years.
Kilkenny fans are struggling with the new style of play which is designed to beat sweepers. The fans need to understand how it works. The number of fans I hear shouting at a Kilkenny backs to “get rid of it” is mad. The game we are playing is not traditional, but it is football like, it is effective and we have the players to pull it off. It is football like in that positions are fluid during the course of the game. One key is athletic players who like to push forward from the full back line. It also means that as many scores can come from out the field rather than our forwards for the lads concerned about our forwards scoring or not. (We are getting closer to the day when a goalkeeper will score from a puck out). The results suggest the “system” is working. It is not without threats as Liam Rushe and Conor Cooney proved. But then again look how Walter Walsh eliminated the effect of Liam Ryan in the second half. And for those who were confused Padraig was still the Full Back even though he pushed up the field at times in the second half. (Watch the frees coming in). A full back that we now expect to attack. The modern football full back is not always standing minding the square , is he?

I said in a previous post when we had 8 wins in a row, that the one constant was the full back line. It was broken for the Galway match and the start of Wexford. Joey Holden came on at half time. He may not have gone to the full back line but he did contribute to the system being fixed. It was fascinating to see the system repair itself as the second half progressed with the introduction of the league regulars.

Special mention for Eoin Murphy, yet again catching a ball going over the bar. Vital in the context of the overall result. We won by a point. I wonder if that crazy poster who suggested that the county board should pull Kilkenny out of the championship if we couldn’t beat Wexford feels the county board should still consider when it was such a tight margin. My thoughts are he/she should consider finding a new team to support. It was very disrespectful to Wexford but then again it was an anti-Kilkenny sentiment. Both ourselves and Wexford beat Dublin by 2 points. Galway only beat them by a point. Maybe all Leinster should pull out and leave it to the Munster lads. They seem to like the spotlight.

Kilkenny scored 7 points in the first half playing into the town end goal with 9 wides. Wexford scored 7 points in the second combined with a lot of wides too. I never really thought about it before, but is there a greater difficulty of scoring at the town end or was it just a coincidence in that match? A lot of the wides came from the left hand side shooting into the sun.

9 Wins from that last 10 competitive matches! Only team to beat us were the reigning All-Ireland champions and favourites (in a game which was our third consecutive match). Won the National League Final. In the Leinster Final. Introduced the new generation of Kilkenny players, all of which have made some kind of a positive impact, if not consistently. Changed the style of play, which I personally enjoy and still the Kilkenny supporter is negative. For example, I had an earache on Saturday listening to a Kilkenny “fan” bemoaning the team selection, telling everyone around him about how poor it was. (The same guy was probably looking for Hogan and Fennelly to start all along). He also moaned about the absence of an attacking half back in the first half. When Joey Holden came bounding out on to the pitch for the second half, his comment was “and we thought things couldn’t get worse”. When Joey scored his point, a lad near me turned around and said similar to what I was thinking. “you were right!, we did need an attacking half back!” I couldn’t help but smile. When the game was over the guy did not even cheer or clap the Kilkenny victory. He actually seemed disappointed. It was like as if he would have preferred to be right and see Kilkenny lose. How he could actually enjoy his day supporting Kilkenny with that mentality is beyond me, but reading a lot of the comments here, he is not alone (even allowing for the trolls). In fact he may be a poster here. It is sad that so many of our own supporters would prefer to be right with the pre-conceived notions than see the team win. If Padraig contributes to the team better at full back, so be it. I’m happy to be wrong about it., once the team is getting the results, because it is not about Padraig’s personal tally on the scoreboard, it is about the overall team score being higher than the oppositions which has happened in 9 out of the last 10 competitive games. The facts I mention at the start of this paragraph are genuine facts. At this point in time as Kilkenny fans, we should be delighted. I know it’s no guarantee of future success, but if you can’t enjoy and delight in what you currently have, you should find a different hobby. It’s not as if many have done any real analysis of the game and discussed the turning point for example, the gradual return to the winning “tactical” setup or anything. It seems to be mainly whinges and personal player wish lists. Maybe that’s what the thread is meant for but surely it’s also to celebrate what we have done well. At the moment, the stats would say we are one of the form teams. Galway can be nervous in Croke Park.

RayVaughan1984

Davy's interview was comical after.

Ceist_Beag

No harm Hawkeye but that report seems to be more about you and how your opinions are so much better than others, than the match itself.

dastardly00

Ceist_Beag wrote: »

No harm Hawkeye but that report seems to be more about you and how your opinions are so much better than others, than the match itself.

I was just about to post the same thing!

minty81

Hawkeye6 wrote: »

Three of the four counties that had to play four consecutive weeks in the provincial round robin are Out of the All-Ireland series (Offaly, Tipperary and Waterford). Wexford were the fourth.
Colm Bonnar (Carlow manager) spoke at the weekend at his disappointment that the McDonagh Cup would be reduced to 5 teams next year as it was great this year with six teams and with all playing at the same time, it was a level playing field. Significant stat for any end of year review.
On the other side, if Limerick are not beaten by Clare next weekend, the 2 counties (Limerick and Galway) who had the "Play 2-Bye-Play 2" sequence, deemed to be the ideal scenario will have both been the only unbeaten counties in the round robins. If combined with the first stat, you think there is significance, then you could possibly put a question mark about how far ahead they really are when all teams are rested similarly. Regardless, interesting on a rushed, knee jerk (to Super 8s) and poorly designed league system.

Its an interesting one but of the 4 teams eliminated Dublin are the only ones to have won any game and all 4 lost their first game. I could see merit in the argument that the 4 games in a row was the deciding factor if those teams had won their first game and faded badly in week 4. Tipps best performance was actually in week 4. Wexfords best performance was probably on Sat in week 4 aside from the offaly cakewalk.

bruschi

minty81 wrote: »

Its an interesting one but of the 4 teams eliminated Dublin are the only ones to have won any game and all 4 lost their first game. I could see merit in the argument that the 4 games in a row was the deciding factor if those teams had won their first game and faded badly in week 4. Tipps best performance was actually in week 4. Wexfords best performance was probably on Sat in week 4 aside from the offaly cakewalk.

the 4 weeks in a row was not a factor in Wexford losing on Saturday evening. I say that as a disappointed Wexford supporter.

I do think it should change, realistically how can it be deemed fair that Wexford play 4 weeks in a row and the team they play the deciding game in the 4th of these games has the week off previous to it. Bad luck of the draw, but again, not a deciding factor. Wexford had it in their grasp and gave up doing what was serving them well through the first half.

Village87

minty81 wrote: »

Its an interesting one but of the 4 teams eliminated Dublin are the only ones to have won any game and all 4 lost their first game. I could see merit in the argument that the 4 games in a row was the deciding factor if those teams had won their first game and faded badly in week 4. Tipps best performance was actually in week 4. Wexfords best performance was probably on Sat in week 4 aside from the offaly cakewalk.

I think the head to head should be dropped from the system. Very unfair when taking all things into account home venues, teams playing 3/4 weeks consecutively.

minty81

Village87 wrote: »

minty81 wrote: »

Its an interesting one but of the 4 teams eliminated Dublin are the only ones to have won any game and all 4 lost their first game. I could see merit in the argument that the 4 games in a row was the deciding factor if those teams had won their first game and faded badly in week 4. Tipps best performance was actually in week 4. Wexfords best performance was probably on Sat in week 4 aside from the offaly cakewalk.

I think the head to head should be dropped from the system. Very unfair when taking all things into account home venues, teams playing 3/4 weeks consecutively.

I'd agree going forward it should be dropped and don't see any reason why am extra week can't be added given the 3 week break now to provincial final.
I just meant i don't think it was a deciding factor this year.
I'd imagine if the same structure is in place next year that the 4 teams who played 4 in a row are rotated so that its a different 4 teams next year

JJs Left Hand

Ceist_Beag wrote: »

No harm Hawkeye but that report seems to be more about you and how your opinions are so much better than others, than the match itself.

Never read one of his posts before no?

babyjesus14

bruschi wrote: »

the 4 weeks in a row was not a factor in Wexford losing on Saturday evening. I say that as a disappointed Wexford supporter.

I do think it should change, realistically how can it be deemed fair that Wexford play 4 weeks in a row and the team they play the deciding game in the 4th of these games has the week off previous to it. Bad luck of the draw, but again, not a deciding factor. Wexford had it in their grasp and gave up doing what was serving them well through the first half.

I would disagree with you. I thought Wexford looked noticeably tired in the second half, while there was a few "tactical injuries " Chin was definitely struggling with cramp late on and i think it probably was the difference!

babyjesus14

Just looking at the final table in today's paper i realised but for Liam Blanchfield's goal in Parnell Park we would be out of the Championship. Small margins!

bruschi

babyjesus14 wrote: »

I would disagree with you. I thought Wexford looked noticeably tired in the second half, while there was a few "tactical injuries " Chin was definitely struggling with cramp late on and i think it probably was the difference!

I wouldnt use Chin as an example of 4 weeks in a row being too much for a player.

All teams look ragged when the other one gets a run on them and cant stop the tide. Point being, Wexford just stopped playing the way they were tactically, nevermind physically, from the first half and made a huge amount of unforced errors. That had nothing to do with tiredness.

babyjesus14

bruschi wrote: »

I wouldnt use Chin as an example of 4 weeks in a row being too much for a player.

All teams look ragged when the other one gets a run on them and cant stop the tide. Point being, Wexford just stopped playing the way they were tactically, nevermind physically, from the first half and made a huge amount of unforced errors. That had nothing to do with tiredness.

Chin clearly was cramping and was out on his feet, he barely touched the ball in the last 20 minutes. If it's not tiredness what is it?

Would you not entertain the notion that the reason Kilkenny "got a run" on ye was because they were the fresher team? The reason ye went away from the tactical plan was mental tiredness?

savannahkat

Brilliant second half. Kilkenny are capable of beating all that are left in it. Galway while good and very good are far from unbeatable but long may the papers and pundits say they are. One thing though, no Kilkenny player changes position during a game without Cody's express permission to do so. Cody may very well give them permission to try things but only things he pre-approves.

Hitchens

Davy is quoted in a Sunday paper as saying in an after match interview..."if Kilkenny see a little chink they'll go for it" 😂😂😁

bruschi

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Chin clearly was cramping and was out on his feet, he barely touched the ball in the last 20 minutes. If it's not tiredness what is it?

Would you not entertain the notion that the reason Kilkenny "got a run" on ye was because they were the fresher team? The reason ye went away from the tactical plan was mental tiredness?

the reference to Chin was his self proclamation of not working anymore so he can concentrate on hurling, ie a "professional hurler". I'm getting more and more frustrated with him to be honest and would much rather he stopped with all the self promotion and interviews and actually concentrated on what is propelling him to these things, his hurling ability.

Of course I would entertain that notion, it could well be a factor. However, IMO, it was far from the defining factor of the game and more of a coincidence or unfortunate sequence that Wexford had the 4 games in a row and lost out in the second half of the game. Mental tiredness doesnt excuse Conor Mac hitting speculative shots when the pass is on, or the defenders not picking up a pass and giving away possession for scores, or having O Connor hitting a long range free when Paudi Foley is much better from distance. Silly individual errors on the line and from players cost them more than 4 weeks IMO.

Cody had the balls to take off big name players at half time for not playing well, our big name players played the full game despite being crap in the second half.

brookville

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Just looking at the final table in today's paper i realised but for Liam Blanchfield's goal in Parnell Park we would be out of the Championship. Small margins!

if we had beaten wexford would we not have finished on 4 points like wexford with the better head to head?J do agree tiny margins and i think dublin have being very unlucky in this championship.
Galway do look the best team at the moment and limerick and cork are probably next but theres very little between most teams.
I was talking to some lads in work who think kk are poor but the thing is we've bloodied a lot of players,we havent played a good 70 mins of hurling yet in particular our fowards but we're in a leinster final and have a league title in the bag.
We havent got a settled team but we have a decent squad and we've 3 weeks to prepare for a crack at galway.

dastardly00

brookville wrote: »

if we had beaten wexford would we not have finished on 4 points like wexford with the better head to head?J do agree tiny margins and i think dublin have being very unlucky in this championship.

Dublin would also have been on 4 points.
KK would be 4th due to inferior scoring difference compared to Wexford and Dublin.

babyjesus14

brookville wrote: »

if we had beaten wexford would we not have finished on 4 points like wexford with the better head to head?J do agree tiny margins and i think dublin have being very unlucky in this championship.
Galway do look the best team at the moment and limerick and cork are probably next but theres very little between most teams.
I was talking to some lads in work who think kk are poor but the thing is we've bloodied a lot of players,we havent played a good 70 mins of hurling yet in particular our fowards but we're in a leinster final and have a league title in the bag.
We havent got a settled team but we have a decent squad and we've 3 weeks to prepare for a crack at galway.

Ourselves Dublin and Wexford would have been on 4 points so it would have been decided on scoring difference and our was significantly inferior to the other two.

savannahkat

Eoin Murphy. Paul Murphy. Paddy Deegan. Conor Delaney. Joey Holden.Padraigh Walsh.Cillian Buckley. Ritchie Leahy. James Maher.John Donnelly. Walter Walsh.Tj Reid. Luke Scanlan. Liam Blanchfield. Mossy Keoghan

MfMan

savannahkat wrote: »

Brilliant second half. Kilkenny are capable of beating all that are left in it. Galway while good and very good are far from unbeatable but long may the papers and pundits say they are. One thing though, no Kilkenny player changes position during a game without Cody's express permission to do so. Cody may very well give them permission to try things but only things he pre-approves.

All remaining teams capable of beating KK too though. Both Cork and Limerick play with great pace, something I'd always be wary of.

babyjesus14

MfMan wrote: »

All remaining teams capable of beating KK too though. Both Cork and Limerick play with great pace, something I'd always be wary of.

As do Clare. Genuinely would only be hopeful of winning a quarter final after we lose the Leinster Final. Limerick are the ones i would fear the most because they have pace and physicality and i can seriously see them putting up to Galway

kilkennyboy

Fancy 3 Leinster teams to make simifinals
Kilkenny beat Clare play limerick
Wexford beat cork play Galway

Hitchens

When the GAH decided it was a good idea to foist Galway on Leinster they should have ended the Leinster and Munster Championships and introduced the open draw

brookville

savannahkat wrote: »

Eoin Murphy. Paul Murphy. Paddy Deegan. Conor Delaney. Joey Holden.Padraigh Walsh.Cillian Buckley. Ritchie Leahy. James Maher.John Donnelly. Walter Walsh.Tj Reid. Luke Scanlan. Liam Blanchfield. Mossy Keoghan

i know richie and colin didnt go well on saturday night well richie at least drove 3 wides but id start them two against galway because we were completely out muscled in salthill and if we are to compete with galway we have to have big men on the half foward line who can win primary possesion.Itll be intresting to see what kind of team he picks but hats off to the management for getting it right tactically in the 2nd half our half fowards and mf seemed to drop back into our half back line leaving space for tj up front while leahy and mossy flew up and down their wings.

dubcat51

One thing at a time.galway then we will see where were at.for me picking the right team is key the next day.
My team would be.
E.murphy
P.murphy
P.deegan
Joey
P.walsh
J.cleere
Bucko
J.maher
R.leahy
R.hogan
Tj
Walter
Blanch
Colin
Ger awlyard.

Dionysis

dubcat51 wrote: »

One thing at a time.galway then we will see where were at.for me picking the right team is key the next day.
My team would be.
E.murphy
P.murphy
P.deegan
Joey
P.walsh
J.cleere
Bucko
J.maher
R.leahy
R.hogan
Tj
Walter
Blanch
Colin
Ger awlyard.

Joey is too slow to mark there nippy small corner forward.
Deegan full back, ?...

The next day needs to be a man marking job in the backs, each player marks a specific forward. Outside of that thought we need to bring more physical strength to the game.
A Murphy

P Murphy
P Walsh
Deegan

Delaney
Holden
Buckley

Fogarty
Lester Ryan

Leahy/Maher
W Walsh
Fennelly

R Hogan
TJ Reid
J Donnelly

The midfield was physically overrun the last day in Pearse Park.

Dionysis

Let hogan roam where ever he wants. I would get Joey to stick with J Canning all day.

Hawkeye6

John Horan (President of the GAA) stated on Morning Ireland yesterday that April for clubs was not intended for counties to run their championships. He said that was a misconception. It was just intended so the county players could link up with their clubs.

Tipperary were said on this forum to be one of the counties who made a big effort to play club championship games in April. Given there exit from the inter county scene in hurling, I wonder what is the feeling in Tipperary now as to whether that was the right thing to do? I know there are a lot of visitors here from Tipperary and its not intended to rub salt into wounds. Its just as this is new to us all, it would be interesting to get The Tipperary view given the Tipperary approach was different to the Kilkenny approach. I know it might make more sense when looking at the year as a whole.

Last week, the CPA made an unheralded announcement that they would have an input into the master fixtures list for 2019. Any of those who claim to be members of the CPA know what the general thoughts are from a Kilkenny point of view yet.

Morris Moss

Dionysis wrote: »

Joey is too slow to mark there nippy small corner forward.
Deegan full back, ?...

The next day needs to be a man marking job in the backs, each player marks a specific forward. Outside of that thought we need to bring more physical strength to the game.
A Murphy

P Murphy
P Walsh
Deegan

Delaney
Holden
Buckley

Fogarty
Lester Ryan

Leahy/Maher
W Walsh
Fennelly

R Hogan
TJ Reid
J Donnelly

The midfield was physically overrun the last day in Pearse Park.

Lester Ryan isn't even coming off the bench these days, so I can't see him starting.

brookville

Morris Moss wrote: »

Dionysis wrote: »

Joey is too slow to mark there nippy small corner forward.
Deegan full back, ?...

The next day needs to be a man marking job in the backs, each player marks a specific forward. Outside of that thought we need to bring more physical strength to the game.
A Murphy

P Murphy
P Walsh
Deegan

Delaney
Holden
Buckley

Fogarty
Lester Ryan

Leahy/Maher
W Walsh
Fennelly

R Hogan
TJ Reid
J Donnelly

The midfield was physically overrun the last day in Pearse Park.

Lester Ryan isn't even coming off the bench these days, so I can't see him starting.

didnt make the squad last saturday but we've seen lads like sheehan and conor o shea come from no where

Morris Moss

brookville wrote: »

didnt make the squad last saturday but we've seen lads like sheehan and conor o shea come from no where

To be honest I don't think Maher and Fogarty won't be changed anytime soon and Lester has had more than enough chances at this stage, Maher has been one of our best players so far as well,anyway I'll throw up a team.

Murphy

Murphy
Delaney
Deegan

Walsh
Buckley
Holden

Maher
Fogarty

Hogan
Reid
Leahy

Donnelly
Walsh
Blanchfield

I can't see Padraig being moved but I think we're much more dangerous with him half back.

RayVaughan1984

kilkennyboy wrote: »

Fancy 3 Leinster teams to make simifinals
Kilkenny beat Clare play limerick
Wexford beat cork play Galway

Yea,would see the exact same happening.Clare are nothing special would fancy KK to beat them.Tipp were coasting Sunday 1-10 to 0-5 points..KK would be fare more ruthless in that position.Well i suppose every team would be apart from Tipp.Expect Tipp to further decline under Ryan if he stays

The_Ghost

As mentioned above the managment have a few big calls to make again. Will they go with physicality and play lads struggling for form? It would prob be best off to start hogan and take him off if not going well. If we bring him on and he struggles it's a disaster.

Was Conor Delaney injured the last day? Joey after playing well against Galway and Wexford now. Padraig Walsh impressing out the field.

I'd have leahy Tj and wally in the half forward line mainly because they all have a good hand. Galway will be hard to beat but I think we're more than good enough to put it up to them. We have to try get ahead of them though as they are good leaders.

dubcat51

Think were well capable of beating galway.match the last day was poor all round IMO.playing in croke park will be a great test for our young players.padraig at 5 is key for me.his inspirational pounts and burta forward lift the team and the crowd.A strong half back line stops bal going into the full back line and creates attacks.joey deserves his place and was very good in the league.realky looking forward to this game.

brookville

dubcat51 wrote: »

Think were well capable of beating galway.match the last day was poor all round IMO.playing in croke park will be a great test for our young players.padraig at 5 is key for me.his inspirational pounts and burta forward lift the team and the crowd.A strong half back line stops bal going into the full back line and creates attacks.joey deserves his place and was very good in the league.realky looking forward to this game.

Half back line is important but the half foward line is as important.Winning possession here and stopping the quality ball going into their fowards.Padraig mannion had a field day the last time and he scored 3 points last weekend again i think.We'll have to try get on top here

Comerman

Heard from a reliable source today that Lester dropped himself off the panel at the weekend.

brookville

Comerman wrote: »

Heard from a reliable source today that Lester dropped himself off the panel at the weekend.

shame if true but not a shock i was told saturday night he wasnt injured but after going through all the pre season its a pity but obviously not in codys plan and we're probably better of trying to get maher or leahy up to scratch.
if true id like to thank him for all his effort a very honest player and a nice lad who was unlucky to come at a time fogarty and fennelly were going well