Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

VinLieger

Simona1986 wrote: »

How is that possible with such a variance of voting likely over the different age groups and areas?

Read into how polling works and learn the answer i suppose?

tigger123

The Golden Miller wrote: »

What percentage of the pro-choice side do you believe want abortion in any case up until 12 weeks I asked. Any I talked to were doing so for the hard cases. But to do that they had to also validate abortion for any reason. Are you struggling to grasp the point?

A lot of people today voted Yes who are uncomfortable with abortion, but don't believe that you can force a woman to be pregnant against her will.

Yep, there's the so called hardcases that amount to 2 families a week who are faced with FFA, but there's also 3,500 women every year (who have the financial means) who are travelling to England for an abortion, and never mind the amount of women taking abortion pills they bought online.

The hardcases are only a small part of it.

Icemancometh

123balltv wrote: »

Abortions will be the only procedure in Ireland to not have a waiting list
cancer patients etc will have wait longer now.

What's the waiting list for an ORIF of a fracture? A few days maybe?

PotatoSpud

With such a spread out population and, most importantly, a PR voting system, I'm not sure Ireland is likely to ever go into a straight left/right dynamic. The main cause for that kind of thing is a system that lends itself to horrible binary voting options and turns everything at all in the middle into nothing but noise.

martingriff

Cina wrote: »

Speak for yourself. I want the option where women make their own choice for their bodies. I know many who want that too.

So are you upset they limited to 12 weeks then because after that you are forced to carry it. . This my body my choice was bullcrap as there is a lit of things we can not do to our bodies due to laws

Shurimgreat

Water John wrote: »

The No side, left the extremists run their campaign and it backfired.

The extremists hijacked the campaign to be honest. RTE and TV3 should not have given them a platform. But hey they make for car crash TV which broadcasters like.

The cool, measured, logical people on both sides will always be drowned out by the batsh*t crazy brigade. Such is life I suppose.

storker

FrancieBrady wrote: »

...and it's bye bye Iona.

I doubt it. They'll probably concentrate now on putting the frighteners on some TDs or encouraging obstructionism in others, but if the predictions are correct (and I'm not taking anything for granted) then we're looking at Berlin 1945 for the Church's stranglehold on Irish government policy.

If it is a big win, then there must be a Downfall parody of the Iona institute coming our way soon...




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BarleySweets

The Golden Miller wrote: »

What percentage of the pro-choice side do you believe want abortion in any case up until 12 weeks I asked. Any I talked to were doing so for the hard cases. But to do that they had to also validate abortion for any reason. Are you struggling to grasp the point?

12 weeks is necessary. Some women don’t discover they’re pregnant till 10 weeks after conception. Add on two weeks to allow time for making appointments and the 72-hour thinking time, makes 12 needed to allow all women to choose. 12 is a standard minimum in all jurisdictions that set a limit, like most of Europe.

Try_harder

https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/1000132186270552064

nullzero

Barbara Melted Bassoon wrote: »

I honestly don't think this result will have party political impact.

Pfft, Mary Lou has positioned herself well as the most prominent female politician in favor of a yes vote, there will be some goodwill votes in her/shinners direction.

FrancieBrady

Wesser wrote: »

As a yes voter, I hope there will not be jubilant celebrations on the streets. It is abortion after all. Hopefully respect will be shown

Abortion was always here. This is a vindication for 'choice' against a tide of last ditch right wing, conservative bigotry and no small amount of misogyny, that is worthy of a good old knees up imo.

Dyr

hmmm wrote: »

This is the end of Fianna Fail's attempt to rehabilitate themselves to the country, unfortunately it leaves the door open now for SF to replace them. Two great results for FG however with this and the marriage equality referendum carried. We look to be heading towards proper right/left politics.

lol ye reckon? These referenda just show that in our generation the left utterly won the argument on social policy.

_Dara_

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

You can be guaranteed that many people were bullied into a Yes vote.

There’s always one.

Secret ballot. It’s that simple.

Penn

storker wrote: »

I doubt it. They'll probably concentrate now on putting the frighteners on some TDs or encouraging obstructionism in others, but if the predictions are correct (and I'm not taking anything for granted) then we're looking at Berlin 1945 for the Church's stranglehold on Irish government policy.

It's it is a big win, then there must be a Downfall parody of the Iona institute coming our way soon...

Wait till Ronan Mullen is interviewed on the news tomorrow. I don't think we'll need a parody

PhilipsR

Another link of the Catholic Church to our country broken. A great day if the exit polls are correct.

fritzelly

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I'm simply asking, do you's think there is popular support for abortion up until 12 weeks for any reason from the majority, or did this pass on the basis of the hard cases? Everyone seems to like dancing around the point

The referendum was about removing the clause not about abortion - abortion limits can be decided and agreed upon at a later date.
The proposed 12 weeks seems to be accepted by the majority and will likely be made law as that was the proposed legislation made clear by the government if the repeal won but it could also be reduced to 10 weeks (with the testing controversy and enough backing)

Overheal

Shurimgreat wrote: »

We will be better at killing unborn babies who pose in the majority of cases no risk to the life of anyone than healing people. The truth often hurts.

I don't know what orifice this post came out of but if health services have to make resource decisions between an elective procedure like an abortion, and treating a cancer patient, it's not going to be a contest. Some 4000 abortions a year across the country are not going to displace wait lists for urgent care. Come off your terror-donkey - I struggle to call it a high horse.

murpho999

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Take a step back and take a breath.

The original poster was making the point that it will be easier to have an abortion than get many other types of treatments in this country.

We will be better at killing unborn babies who pose in the majority of cases no risk to the life of anyone than healing people. The truth often hurts.

You cannot compare cancer treatment to abortion.

But you are right. The truth does hurt and here is the truth.


You are not telling the truth.
The No side have lost.

Your opinions have been utterly rejected by the vast majority of the population.

You asked for Yes people not to crow and celebrate the victory. So why don't you be gracious in defeat and respect people's decisions that have been made in an adult manner.

You should really reflect on your own narrow minded overbearing posts and lack of respect for other people's views.

The Golden Miller

tigger123 wrote: »

A lot of people today voted Yes who are uncomfortable with abortion, but don't believe that you can force a woman to be pregnant against her will.

Yep, there's the so called hardcases that amount to 2 families a week who are faced with FFA, but there's also 3,500 women every year (who have the financial means) who are travelling to England for an abortion, and never mind the amount of women taking abortion pills they bought online.

The hardcases are only a small part of it.

So in a roundabout way, you accept there is not a majority will for abortion for any reason up until 12 weeks? But it's now been slide into our legislation anyway. What was that you were saying about democracy?

8-10

I am incredibly proud of Ireland tonight. Having an infant daughter makes this even more important to me, my vote was for her today.

One thing I want to be sure to acknowledge however is the No side tonight. As emotional as you feel on this issue as a Yes voter, I truly believe that for the majority who voted No felt equally as emotional. I'm not here to argue or condescend but look at the UK right now, look at the USA. The divisiveness of Brexit and Trump is growing still even over a year since the votes.

It's important to me that while I am over the moon with the prospect that the 8th is being successfully repealed, that we all move forward as a united people and culture. People will be angry, people will try to gloat, but it's short term. This is a very divisive issue, let's not divide us as a people.

In the same way we all had a right to go out and put an X in a box today, our future generations will do the same whether it be on the same issue, similar issues, or issues in the future we can't even comprehend yet.

I'm proud of Ireland if this is a Yes result, but I'm proud of Ireland regardless because something this important to our society deserves our input and both sides needed to be represented to ensure we go forward with what we collectively feel is right

CruelCoin

Wesser wrote: »

As a yes voter, I hope there will not be jubilant celebrations on the streets. It is abortion after all. Hopefully respect will be shown

As a nation we have in a really very short period of time achieved:
Gay marriage
End of religious discrimination in schools
(soon) abortion.

This is a massive shift for a country that only 40 years ago basically had slave camps for single mothers.

It's worth very loud and very jubilant celebrations.
The Irish populace are running away from all the bigoted religious shackles of the past.

Straight Talker

Divorce in.Gay marriage in and it looks like abortion is now in.The conservative small minded catholic bigots, got their arses kicked in the gay marriage referendum, and it looks like they are going to get another arse kicking here.The show is over for the catholic church in this country.The times they are a changin.

Shurimgreat

Overheal wrote: »

I don't know what orifice this post came out of but if health services have to make resource decisions between an elective procedure like an abortion, and treating a cancer patient, it's not going to be a contest. Some 4000 abortions a year across the country are not going to displace wait lists for urgent care. Come off your terror-donkey - I struggle to call it a high horse.

Another childish response. You and I are done.

nullzero

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Abortion was always here. This is a vindication for 'choice' against a tide of last ditch right wing, conservative bigotry and no small amount of misogyny, that is worthy of a good old knees up imo.

Right wing? The right wing parties supported the Yes vote, a good old knees up for abortion, sounds like a wonderful time for all.

PopePalpatine

BabyCheeses wrote: »

That guy who said he'll nut when there's a no result must be starting to sweat.

He's probably searching for van rentals as we speak.

sdanseo

I voted yes. I did so because I believe in compassion, because I felt that many more people would be better served by a Yes vote than a No vote, and because a No vote would not have served any purpose other than continue the status quo of those who would have an abortion travelling for one anyway; but at the same time prolonging and exascerbating the suffering of those who need an abortion for a medical or psychological reason and were being denied it by the amendment.

I wont pretend the idea of abortion totally on demand (where there is no medical problem, deformity or other issue of any kind - simply the child is not wanted) sits completely well with me, it doesnt.
But let's be real: the people in this category can and will travel anyway and voting no would have made almost zero difference to this reality.

I just wonder if it's something that's suitable for celebrating as opposed to a more muted recongnition that we've done the right thing.
This isn't the same sex marriage referendum - whose result was undeniable correct and worth celebrating - but it's being treated as such.

Just a thought. No need to eviscerate me for it.

_Dara_

Water John wrote: »

It will be an interesting analysis as, the vote was beginning to narrow as the campaign went on. When did this process go into reverse? Was there a seminal moment? Did it just happen as people began to focus and crystalize their views?

The Yes campaign timed their campaign to perfection. Hit their stride in the last week while No imploded.

The Golden Miller

fritzelly wrote: »

The referendum was about removing the clause not about abortion - abortion limits can be decided and agreed upon at a later date.
The proposed 12 weeks seems to be accepted by the majority and will likely be made law as that was the proposed legislation made clear by the government if the repeal won but it could also be reduced to 10 weeks (with the testing controversy and enough backing)

How does something "seem" to be accepted by the majority? People repealing for the hard cases won this, now we have abortion for any reason up until 12 weeks. One came with the other, forcing people into an all or nothing vote. Fudge it up whatever way you want

realitykeeper

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Happy happy fcuking day.

This country is going somewhere.

I am So PROUD!!!!!

I think it may be going to hell.

meeeeh

Bambi wrote: »

lol ye reckon? These referenda just show that in our generation the left utterly won the argument on social policy.

But how many people would allow Paul Murphy anywhere near economic policy...