Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

Overheal

gctest50 wrote: »

The no's will already be on that one - have to keep the money from the USA flowing in

Theres no major interest group for that in the US. Now, against abortion, absolutely, but other pet issues? Hell naw.

PurvesGrundy

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Who's betting that the next big thing now will be euthanasia...

Anyone??

Nothing banning it in the constitution, so the government could legislate for it in the morning if they wanted to.

Thread discussing it on here and a good few of the no abortion side posters on Here are in favour of it for some reason. Might be an age thing where they see that it could be something that will benefit them as they claim to be in their fifties.

Overheal

The Golden Miller wrote: »

No I believe they wanted to repeal for the hard cases generally. The youth seemed to want unlimited abortion on demand, or in many cases couldn't substantiate or understand what they wanted at all. You see, when you question them on their own, they can't ask the guy beside them for the answer

Even if all they wanted was abortion in more cases than the very few, like the mortal peril of the mother, they wouldve repealed though. Now, it doesn't matter what they want does it, unless they are going to petition their TDs about it, as isn't it the Legislature that will determine what regulations for termination of pregnancies come forth?

PurvesGrundy

DubInMeath wrote: »

Nothing banning it in the constitution, so the government could legislate for it in the morning if they wanted to.

It will be another cause for generally narcissistic left wing liberals to get involved in. Now that they've got the opposite end of the spectrum sorted, no doubt they'll start looking at getting rid of some of our elderly population next.

mada999

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Im aware of it, but we're a dying breed, there's a noticeable decline in free thought in the youth as far as I can personally see

NOT ABOUT THE REF:

a n d was on th e good side.

But in general imo..

tis all about the herd on FB and twitter... there is no thinking anymore and is more or less a popularity contest on the web... the problem is we are going to be governed by thick Instagramers and "dope" you tubers....

there's a breed of youth out the who now blame all their shítty life decisions on the people before them and take no blame at all on their own choices at all.. while sitting there with the latest smart phones you can buy, but they have no money?

Can see them taking more of pensions to "compensate" for their choices in years to come....time to diversify me thinks...

uptherebels

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I'm the one back tracking over being correct on the specifics of what was ACTUALLY said? If you say so

A baby cant talk either. What's your point exactly?

That you can't claim a fetus couldn't tell something when you understand the difference being couldn't and can't.
You say a baby can't speak but a fetus couldn't tell us something like it would have if given a chance.
The only place your correct is in your head

Overheal

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

It will be another cause for generally narcissistic left wing liberals to get involved in. Now that they've got the opposite end of the spectrum sorted, no doubt they'll start looking at getting rid of some of our elderly population next.

Such hysteria!

The Golden Miller

The Golden Miller wrote: »

No I believe they wanted to repeal for the hard cases generally. The youth seemed to want unlimited abortion on demand, or in many cases couldn't substantiate or understand what they wanted at all. You see, when you question them on their own, they can't ask the guy beside them for the answer

For a 28 year old you talk a lot of crap about your own generation and the one after you.
In relation to the generation after you and I'd be one of them, we voted based on the headings of the purposed legislation and we are old enough to know what the pro life crowd are like. In relation to my dads generation who voted yes, in his words he's old and wise enough to know that the pro life crowd are generally arseholes who are a remnant of the type of people who tried to mess his life up because his own dad decided he didn't want to stick around which in 50s Ireland meant his mum having to fight the local penguin from having him put into "care". It was only after he started working and met guys who had been in Artane and similar places that he realised how lucky he was that his mun and gran, a woman far ahead of her time fought so hard for him.

The pro life which is one of the greatest oxymorons ever imaginary remit is done here, it's is done, they will fight it and will most likely use violence against people, similar enough to what has happened in the U.k but hopefully not like some cases in the US, but that will just show them in their true colours even more.

PurvesGrundy

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

It will be another cause for generally narcissistic left wing liberals to get involved in. Now that they've got the opposite end of the spectrum sorted, no doubt they'll start looking at getting rid of some of our elderly population next.

Good to see you only quoted half my comment and left out the part about older no siders for abortion being in favour of it on the same thread discussing it.

It shows the sh1te and lies ye spout. Your time is done.

PurvesGrundy

DubInMeath wrote: »

For a 28 year old you talk a lot of crap about your own generation and the one after you.
In relation to the generation after you and I'd be one of them, we voted based on the headings of the purposed legislation and we are old enough to know what the pro life crowd are like. In relation to my dads generation who voted yes, in his words he's old and wise enough to know that the pro life crowd are generally arseholes who are a remnant of the type of people who tried to mess his life up because his own dad decided he didn't want to stick around which in 50s Ireland meant his mum having to fight the local penguin from having him put into "care". It was only after he started working and met guys who had been in Artane and similar places that he realised how lucky he was that his mun and gran, a woman far ahead of her time fought so hard for him.

The pro life which is one of the greatest oxymorons ever imaginary remit is done here is done, they will fight it and will most likely use violence against people, similar enough to what has happened in the U.k but hopefully not like some cases in the US, but that will just show them in their true colours even more.

Do you believe some children are better off dead than having any life at all?

DubInMeath wrote: »

Good to see you only quoted half my comment and left out the part about older no siders for abortion being in favour of it on the same thread discussing it.

It shows the sh1te and lies ye spout. Your time is done.

You misinterpreted wildly. I quoted half your comment to prevent copying a long post.

PurvesGrundy

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Do you believe some children are better off dead than having any life at all?

Don't know where your getting that from my post but hey points for trying to deflect.

You clearly believe some women are better off dead going by your posts, so as I said earlier your time is done, in other words if it'll make it a little clearer for you, the will of the people has been spoken so unless you want to physically try and stop people from providing or accessing what ever will be legislated for piss off.

PurvesGrundy

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Do you believe some children are better off dead than having any life at all?



You misinterpreted wildly. I quoted half your comment to prevent copying a long post.

Yet you had no problem quoting another in full, yeah I believe you thousands wouldn't.

Good night

PurvesGrundy

DubInMeath wrote: »

Don't know where your getting that from my post but hey points for trying to deflect.

You clearly believe some women are better off dead going by your posts, so as I said earlier your time is done, in other words if it'll make it a little clearer for you, the will of the people has been spoken so unless you want to physically try and stop people from providing or accessing what ever will be legislated for piss off.

Such diplomacy.

I am sure the amount of children that will be lost will far outweigh the hard cases of women who's lives are at risk. No question about that.

So you can go ahead and accuse me of manipulating your posts all you want.

retro:electro

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

It will be another cause for generally narcissistic left wing liberals to get involved in. Now that they've got the opposite end of the spectrum sorted, no doubt they'll start looking at getting rid of some of our elderly population next.

There’s one I have my eye on already. An auld one in my granny’s nursing home. I hear she snores as loud as Schumacher on the tracks. I’m hoping to have a referendum to kill her off.

PurvesGrundy

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Such diplomacy.

How very snowflake of you.

Night night.

Vlad Kelly

God I hate a lib. Oh boy do I.

PotatoSpud

Purves Grundy is a name of a character from Brass Eye. I find it kinda weird to be hearing someone who likes Chris Morris to be viewing repeal as Ireland "losing some of its values" and to be pedalling reactionary hyperbole about future euthanasia legislation.

I guess his shows probably do attract some people nowhere near in sync with his worldview though, so that's on me.

jaykay74

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Now that they've got the opposite end of the spectrum sorted, no doubt they'll start looking at getting rid of some of our elderly population next.

Do you mean forced euthanasia ? :pac:

Cherry Blossom

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Now that they've got the opposite end of the spectrum sorted, no doubt they'll start looking at getting rid of some of our elderly population next.

The opposite end of the spectrum to not born yet. You mean they'll be euthanizing people that are already dead?

erica74

Vlad Kelly wrote: »

God I hate a lib. Oh boy do I.

Were you not banned? Or am I confusing you with someone else?

Poor_old_gill

Thank f*ck this is over.
I voted yes because I believe in the concept of choice but this was the most toxic referendum this country has ever had.

I have equal disdain for the patronising, attention seeking, childish, ironically illiberal Yes side and the strange, permanently angry, controlling No side.

erica74

I still can't believe it. I can't believe I didn't dream it all. I can't believe the 66.4% vote in favour of repealing, what a result! I didn't think the result would be that strong, I thought it would be much closer. I suppose that was caused by years of hearing about the prolife side's large numbers and great support and all that nonsense. The church also continues to have such a stranglehold on Irish society that I really thought they would swing this somehow.

Anyway, we did it. We repealed the 8th. Can you believe it?
I have 4 prochoice badges on my backpack, 2 of them have been there for nearly 3 years. 3 years ago, this was just a dream. 35 years ago, this was just a dream. I feel so proud of Ireland. First SSM and now this, in such a short space of time. When we put our minds to something, anything can be done.

rockatansky

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Im aware of it, but we're a dying breed, there's a noticeable decline in free thought in the youth as far as I can personally see

This is absolute nonsence.

Calina

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Im aware of it, but we're a dying breed, there's a noticeable decline in free thought in the youth as far as I can personally see

There hasn't. Your problem is there is a noticeable lack of people that agree with you.

I was back in university at the age of 40 a little back. So the girls wear more make up that I did when I wenf the first time. But essentially, the youth aren't that different in outlook. They are still full of conviction that anytjing is possible.

I was a university student while you were a newborn to toddler. Your view of the 1990s is distinctly romantic.

erica74

erica74 wrote: »

Were you not banned? Or am I confusing you with someone else?

Your right it was going to bust a nut when no won, must have blue balls at this stage.

Leroy42

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Thank f*ck this is over.
I voted yes because I believe in the concept of choice but this was the most toxic referendum this country has ever had.

I have equal disdain for the patronising, attention seeking, childish, ironically illiberal Yes side and the strange, permanently angry, controlling No side.

Most toxic? It really wasn't. The No side were largely ignored (as has been proven by the result). THe divorce, the original 8th ref, were far more toxic.

Not sure why you think the yes side were as you describe. I thought, in the main, that like in the equality ref their campaign was mainly positive and about making a positive difference.

The No side always were on a difficult task. They essentially wanted everything to the stay the way it was, and there is simply so many examples of peoples stories that show that staying the same simply wasn't a viable option. So they needed to stay away from reality and instead focus on peoples beliefs. That is a hard place to argue from as basically it comes to "I don't like it/believe it".

dudara

The Golden Miller wrote: »

No I believe they wanted to repeal for the hard cases generally. The youth seemed to want unlimited abortion on demand, or in many cases couldn't substantiate or understand what they wanted at all. You see, when you question them on their own, they can't ask the guy beside them for the answer

Hate to break it to you, but at 28, you are the youth (well to me and others anyway).

Back to the election result, I am genuinely but pleasantly surprised at the final outcome. I had thought Yes would win but with a margin of ~55-45%. And when you look at the demographics, it was a clear yes in all bands except the over 65s. So while some posters may give out about youth, it’s clear that this was a broad result, endorsed across most of the population.

I grew up in the 80s, in very rural, very Catholic Ireland. My home constituency is traditionally one of the most conservative in the country (Cork North West), and even there this referendum passed. Again, I am surprised at that, but happy.

Well done to all those who campaigned hard for this result, it’s been 35 years in the coming. And well done to the hard-working campaigners on the other side too.

Sheep breeder

Thank god this is over and done now and hopefully those disgusting posters at the schools come down quickly and should never being allowed to be put up at national schools. My mother who is 82 summed up the whole thing yesterday by stating she voted yes for her gran daughters and her Great gran daughters for their choice to choose and nobody should stop this right of the woman.

Overheal

Sheep breeder wrote: »

Thank god this is over and done now and hopefully those disgusting posters at the schools come down quickly and should never being allowed to be put up at national schools. My mother who is 82 summed up the whole thing yesterday by stating she voted yes for her gran daughters and her Great gran daughters for their choice to choose and nobody should stop this right of the woman.

Hogwash. As we all know from reading the last few pages of this thread your grandmother was a brainwashed university liberal who just wanted to fit in with the progressive agenda because she can’t think for herself

:rolleyes:

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Overheal wrote: »

Hogwash. As we all know from reading the last few pages of this thread your grandmother was a brainwashed university liberal who just wanted to fit in with the progressive agenda because she can’t think for herself

:rolleyes:

Your post shows that one person at least is reading what's been said in the discussion:)