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    #872
    Muahahaha
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    mikeym wrote: »
    The solicitor says one thing and they do another.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/1211/1098555-healy-rae-appeal/

    Hard to believe they are appealing this and not just the sentence but the actual conviction itself. They were caught red handed on CCTV assaulting the lad, their defence was a pack of falsehoods dismissed by the judge and they didnt even have the balls to defend themselves in the witness box. Theres a real bang of them being unwilling to take responsibility for their actions in appealing it.It would be some laugh now if the Circuit Court ending up finding the sentence too lenient and gave them a bit of prison time to go away and reflect on their actions.


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    #873
    Igotadose
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    Muahahaha wrote: »
    t would be some laugh now if the Circuit Court ending up finding the sentence too lenient and gave them a bit of prison time to go away and reflect on their actions.

    Is that possible in Ireland?


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    #874
    marieholmfan
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    Igotadose wrote: »
    Is that possible in Ireland?
    Definitely.


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    #875
    Doc07
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    marieholmfan wrote: »
    Definitely.

    Unfortunately not a chance.
    Far more likely their appeal will be successful.
    We just don’t do consequences for the elite in Ireland.
    And yes that’s also unfortunately not a mistake or typo, the HRs are the elite!


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    #876
    Muahahaha
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    Igotadose wrote: »
    Is that possible in Ireland?

    Yes, sentences can be increased on appeal. A recent one was the Kerry farmer who killed his neighbour with a teleporter. He initially got 5 years and the DPP appealed it and it was increased to 9 years. It doesnt happen all that often though, it usually takes some outrage in the media, by the victims family and by the public before the DPP realise a sentence is too lenient and to spend resources on an appeal.

    Doc07 wrote: »
    Unfortunately not a chance.
    Far more likely their appeal will be successful.
    We just don’t do consequences for the elite in Ireland.
    And yes that’s also unfortunately not a mistake or typo, the HRs are the elite!

    I could see his sentence getting dropped but its hard to see the actual conviction getting quashed given the CCTV evidence. Though this is Ireland, stranger things have happened. His legal team might be hoping to get a specific judge known for their leniency on the appeal.


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    #877
    Shefwedfan
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    It will be some judge who needs a road done and they will get off

    The people of Kerry will cheer, you can beat having a shower of scumbags walking around ready to batter people for no reason

    It will be a great victory for the kingdom


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    #878
    ohnonotgmail
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    Igotadose wrote: »
    Is that possible in Ireland?
    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Yes, sentences can be increased on appeal. A recent one was the Kerry farmer who killed his neighbour with a teleporter. He initially got 5 years and the DPP appealed it and it was increased to 9 years. It doesnt happen all that often though, it usually takes some outrage in the media, by the victims family and by the public before the DPP realise a sentence is too lenient and to spend resources on an appeal.




    I could see his sentence getting dropped but its hard to see the actual conviction getting quashed given the CCTV evidence. Though this is Ireland, stranger things have happened. His legal team might be hoping to get a specific judge known for their leniency on the appeal.

    THey are appealing against the conviction not the sentence. Only the verdict can be changed. If they had appealed against the sentence then the sentence could have been increased or decreased. in the example you mentioned the DPP appealed against the sentence.


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    #879
    Muahahaha
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    THey are appealing against the conviction not the sentence. Only the verdict can be changed. If they had appealed against the sentence then the sentence could have been increased or decreased. in the example you mentioned the DPP appealed against the sentence.

    From RTE
    The men's solicitor, Padraig O’Connell, confirmed that appeals have been lodged against "both conviction and sentence" in all three cases.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/1211/1098555-healy-rae-appeal/

    Sentence follows conviction but what he is getting at is even if the conviction is upheld he wants their 7 and 8 month suspended sentences reduced. AFAIK no new arguments can be entered during an appeal, only arguments on points of law. So basically it will be a re-hashing of the evidence in the first trial with the same CCTV shown and likely their counsels same arguments that people in Ireland hate them :rolleyes:


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    #880
    ohnonotgmail
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    Muahahaha wrote: »
    From RTE

    https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/1211/1098555-healy-rae-appeal/

    Sentence follows conviction but what he is getting at is even if the conviction is upheld he wants their 7 and 8 month suspended sentences reduced. AFAIK no new arguments can be entered during an appeal, only arguments on points of law. So basically it will be a re-hashing of the evidence in the first trial with the same CCTV shown and likely their counsels same arguments that people in Ireland hate them :rolleyes:

    I dont see that quote in the link you provided. that link says
    Independent Councillor Jackie Healy-Rae and his brother Kevin are to appeal their convictions for assaulting a man in Kenmare, Co Kerry in 2017.

    I dont think it is even possible to appeal against both sentence and conviction though i stand to be corrected on that.


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    #881
    ilkhanid
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    Muahahaha wrote: »
    From RTE

    So basically it will be a re-hashing of the evidence in the first trial with the same CCTV shown and likely their counsels same arguments that people in Ireland hate them :rolleyes:

    So? Whats the relevance of that? It wasn't the people who handed down the sentence, after all.


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    #882
    Muahahaha
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    I dont see that quote in the link you provided.

    The quote from the solicitor saying they are appealing both conviction and sentence is there, scroll down to the very last line of the article
    ilkhanid wrote: »
    So? Whats the relevance of that? It wasn't the people who handed down the sentence, after all.

    Its of no relevance at all. Im just pointing out that as part of their defence they claimed that people in Ireland hate the Healy Rae family and somehow this is why they were arrested and charged. Their barristers defence of them was a crock of sh1te up against the CCTV and the fact they never took the stand to defend themselves says it all about their guilt here imo. They just dont want to take responsibility for their actions, hence the appeal.


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    #883
    SlowBlowin
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    Anyone else find it ironic, that the posts here ridiculing the defence of "A lot of people in Ireland hate our family name and prejudge" are happening in a thread that historically provides evidence for this defence ?

    Just an ironic observation.


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    #884
    ohnonotgmail
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    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    Anyone else find it ironic, that the posts here ridiculing the defence of "A lot of people in Ireland hate our family name and prejudge" are happening in a thread that historically provides evidence for this defence ?

    Just an ironic observation.

    No irony at all. They were caught on CCTV. If they were not caught on CCTV then who they were might have helped them get off.


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    #885
    SlowBlowin
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    No irony at all. They were caught on CCTV. If they were not caught on CCTV then who they were might have helped them get off.

    CCTV has nothing to do with the observation.

    It was just an observation of irony, you have a one track mind.


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    #886
    SlowBlowin
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    There are lots of posts on this thread in relation to "A TD represents their constituents on national matters". Posters on this thread put the HRs down because they help constituents with both national AND local matters.

    Just to further my education can anyone point me to any reputable source on information that says a TD is elected only to represent constituents on national matters ?

    Every government website or constituent information website I can find says the opposite. All sources that I can find says a TDs role is to help their constituents with local matters, as well as representing them on the national stage.

    Has this myth evolved because no other TDs help at a local level ?

    Before I am attacked because I live in Kerry (mudsavage) and dont hate the HRs can someone point me to official source online information that says TDs role should NOT be to help constituents at a local level ? Happy to be educated, I thought it would be easy to find as it seems common knowledge on here, but I can't find anything. I have even been on most of the TDs websites, and without exception they all boast about local achievements ?


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    #887
    invicta
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    About time somebody said it!


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    #888
    Shefwedfan
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    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    There are lots of posts on this thread in relation to "A TD represents their constituents on national matters". Posters on this thread put the HRs down because they help constituents with both national AND local matters.

    Just too further my education can anyone point me to any reputable source on information that says a TD is elected only to represent constituents on national matters ?

    Every government website or constituent information website I can find say the opposite. All sources that I can find says a TDs role is to help their constituents with local matters, as well as representing them on the national stage.

    Has this myth evolved because no other TDs help at a local level ?

    Before I am attacked because I live in Kerry (mudsavage) and dont hate the HRs can someone point me to official source online information that says TDs role should NOT be to help constituents at a local level ? Happy to be educated, I thought it would be easy to find as it seems common knowledge on here, but I can't find anything. I have even been on most of the TDs websites, and without exception they all boast about local achievements ?


    Small problem is they are screwing every tax payer in the country including the Kerry people. How many people at the moment have they on "staff"? quick look https://www.thesun.ie/news/1368375/the-healy-raes-have-eight-of-the-clan-now-on-the-public-payroll-in-political-jobs-as-kerry-dynasty-rake-in-e485k-from-taxpayers/




    They submitted mileage claims and both of them had the exact same costs. Not a bit strange? plenty more mistakes on expenses over the years



    They build roads but they do it with their own road company, which took in only 8.7 million



    One of them owned a pub which they failed to declare(for tax purposed of course)


    The county council is in their back pocket, most of them more Healy Rae, this sort of sh*t going on: https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/kerry-co-council-agrees-to-quash-planning-permission-granted-to-healy-rae-company-927782.html


    If you search their is plenty more available, I bet a whole lot more going on nobody knows about



    This is tax money, the money taken out of your wages. I am guessing you work. Do you not have a problem with them ripping you off?


    So maybe could you please explain to me why anyone would vote for these people?



    You not think it is odd the family are in every government section in Kerry?


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    #889
    SlowBlowin
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Small problem is they are screwing every tax payer in the country including the Kerry people. How many people at the moment have they on "staff"? quick look https://www.thesun.ie/news/1368375/the-healy-raes-have-eight-of-the-clan-now-on-the-public-payroll-in-political-jobs-as-kerry-dynasty-rake-in-e485k-from-taxpayers/




    They submitted mileage claims and both of them had the exact same costs. Not a bit strange? plenty more mistakes on expenses over the years



    They build roads but they do it with their own road company, which took in only 8.7 million



    One of them owned a pub which they failed to declare(for tax purposed of course)


    The county council is in their back pocket, most of them more Healy Rae, this sort of sh*t going on: https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/kerry-co-council-agrees-to-quash-planning-permission-granted-to-healy-rae-company-927782.html


    If you search their is plenty more available, I bet a whole lot more going on nobody knows about



    This is tax money, the money taken out of your wages. I am guessing you work. Do you not have a problem with them ripping you off?


    So maybe could you please explain to me why anyone would vote for these people?



    You not think it is odd the family are in every government section in Kerry?

    None of this has anything to do with the question I asked ?

    If you are going to reply to my post, please try and answer my query, its genuine. Ignoring a question, and just posing a load of other questions is more suited to the 911 thread.


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    #890
    pheasant tail
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    Ivan Yates show done a bit of a recap last week and it showed MHR praising John Delaney and how he would always be welcome down in kerry no matter what he has done. What a gob****e. Even Delaney looked embarrassed for him and that says a lot.


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    #891
    Shefwedfan
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    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    None of this has anything to do with the question I asked ?

    If you are going to reply to my post, please try and answer my query, its genuine. Ignoring a question, and just posing a load of other questions is more suited to the 911 thread.


    You asked the question is the TD supposed to help at a local level


    I have pointed out the TD you are talking about is not helping at all but just lining his own pockets. If you want to ignore this then that is your decision.



    Personally my local TD/Councillors help in the local area. Yes they even fixed the road, currently my estate has just been taken over by the county council and roads all upgraded/footpaths etc. We had issues with traffic around school etc, phone call in and they came down to help get a resolution

    All of this was done by sticking to the system to protect my tax money, external contractors, tender system etc

    If you think the only way a local TD/councillor can help in his/her constitution is by robbing the tax payer and lining their own pockets then nothing I can say or anyone on this thread which will change your mind

    It might be worthwhile reviewing how the local government is supposed to work.


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    #892
    Shefwedfan
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    pheasant tail wrote: »
    Ivan Yates show done a bit of a recap last week and it showed MHR praising John Delaney and how he would always be welcome down in kerry no matter what he has done. What a gob****e. Even Delaney looked embarrassed for him and that says a lot.


    I would expect MHR would still welcome him down. Two crooks laughing at the tax payers!!!!


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    #893
    Rows Grower
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    You asked the question is the TD supposed to help at a local level


    I have pointed out the TD you are talking about is not helping at all but just lining his own pockets. If you want to ignore this then that is your decision.



    Personally my local TD/Councillors help in the local area. Yes they even fixed the road, currently my estate has just been taken over by the county council and roads all upgraded/footpaths etc. We had issues with traffic around school etc, phone call in and they came down to help get a resolution

    All of this was done by sticking to the system to protect my tax money, external contractors, tender system etc

    If you think the only way a local TD/councillor can help in his/her constitution is by robbing the tax payer and lining their own pockets then nothing I can say or anyone on this thread which will change your mind

    It might be worthwhile reviewing how the local government is supposed to work.

    LOL

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #894
    SlowBlowin
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    You asked the question is the TD supposed to help at a local level

    I am not going to do your work for you, read the thread there are lots of examples.

    (Will take about 1 hour to get up to date).

    I must correct you on your previous assumption, no I don't work at present.


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    #895
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    I am not going to do your work for you, read the thread there are lots of examples.

    (Will take about 1 hour to get up to date).

    I must correct you on your previous assumption, no I don't work at present.

    Will leave you to it so....


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    #896
    TaurenDruid
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    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    Every government website or constituent information website I can find says the opposite. All sources that I can find says a TDs role is to help their constituents with local matters

    No. That's a Citizen's Advice Bureau. Or, these days, google.

    Seriously.

    We elect people to the national legislature to legislate for the country; and local councillors to administer the local county.

    Why is that so hard to understand?


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    #897
    SlowBlowin
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    OK, grand, if thats what you want to do, if you ever want to back up any of your statements do pop back.

    I am retired, paid a FULL lifetime of taxes.


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    #898
    Shefwedfan
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    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    OK, grand, if thats what you want to do, if you ever want to back up any of your statements do pop back.

    I am retired, paid a FULL lifetime of taxes.

    I already provided links to paper and news releases etc

    All you have done is ignored them, you vote for these people but seem to have no idea what they Are supposed to do

    Maybe research before you vote the next time....figure out what the local councillor does and your TD....both of them are not supposed to “fix the roads”


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    #899
    SlowBlowin
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    TaurenDruid wrote: »
    No. That's a Citizen's Advice Bureau. Or, these days, google.

    Seriously.

    We elect people to the national legislature to legislate for the country; and local councillors to administer the local county.

    Why is that so hard to understand?

    Because the gov websites says they work on local matters as well.

    Media agrees too:

    https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/column-what-a-week-in-the-life-of-a-backbench-td-looks-like-850455-Mar2013/

    As you say info websites say local work.

    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/national_government/houses_of_the_oireachtas/work_of_a_td.html

    As far as I can see its only on this thread that its obvious, do you understand why that is confusing ? Only seems to be a point when criticizing the HRs.


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    #900
    SlowBlowin
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    All you have done is ignored them, you vote for these people but seem to have no idea what they Are supposed to do

    Ohh come on, thats the original question I asked ??????

    I asked where I can find something detailing a TDs role, your replied with your meaningless questions, and now you say I do not understand the role of a TD !!!

    You must be on a wind up ?


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    #901
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    Ohh come on, thats the original question I asked ??????

    I asked where I can find something detailing a TDs role, your replied with your meaningless questions, and now you say I do not understand the role of a TD !!!

    You must be on a wind up ?

    Sorry but I think your on a wind up

    You link and it’s clear

    A typical day's work includes researching and preparing speeches for debates on social, economic, financial and budgetary issues. Debates in the Dáil are chaired by the Ceann Comhairle. View the official reports of all Dáil debates from 1919.

    If you have no idea what the TD does versus a councillor why don’t you ask them? A councillor is to fix the roads.

    A TD is supposed to look at things from a national level, look at legislation and how it would affect his constituents m, then provide that information back....so local vote coming up on XYZ, he/she should be holding meeting to explain the vote, what it means and potentially which option he/she thinks is best for the people


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