How would you react if some random country declared war on Ireland?

splinter65

Pac1Man wrote: »

Point them towards the Repeal thread and show them this is what they are inheriting. They'd quickly fook off.

The word repulsive just isn’t adequate.

gw80

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Actually all countries are made up by us humans. It is a myth that we all agree to. Dying for that myth is just as stupid as dying for any other made up cause. Wouldn't it be stupid to die in a holy war for the sake of a religion. Nations and nationalism are ideologies like anything else. Dying for your country is not that far off. I did not choose to be an Irish citizen, why should I have to sacrifice anything for it. I am happy to be Irish. I do love Ireland. But I'm sure I'd feel the same if I was born in any other country. I will provide for the country as it has provided for me but, I'm sorry, I won't be next to you in the trenches. Not a chance. I'd sooner want to understand why any country would want to wage war on us then try and avoid it entirely.

No you didn't choose to be born here, but the reason you were born at all was because you're ancestors faught and died for the society you live in today, imperfect as it is, it is a damn sight better than a vast amount of countries in the world.

Carry

I think it's not about defending a nation/country/state, it's about someone daring to disturb your peace and quiet and your supply of coffee, chocolate, oranges, avocados and wine.

Say an invading army would march right in front of my doorstep and wants to confiscate my house or is destroying my garden.
I wouldn't think about defending Ireland, I would be very angry that anyone has the audacity to demand anything from me, my loved-ones, friends and neighbours. That's me up in arms then.

I used to live (waay back) in the American sector of West Berlin. The yanks, though considered a "friendly" army, behaved as if they owned the place. By law they could stop you, ask for ID and shoot you if you refused to comply. Of course that never happened, but the possibility was always there, at least in your mind.
It didn't exactly endear them to the populace and I still have my reservations about US-Americans.

For some years now I have a semi-retired US-soldier as a neighbour who first stomped around being a loud-mouthed moron with no sense of polite distance and consideration for other people's property. It was war at first sight. Valkyrie was a wuss compared to my angry self.
He is scared of me now and keeps his head down. Good.

So if any army would invade Ireland, or any other country I happen to live in, they have to confront the unleashed wrath of a woman. And that's not a keyboard threat. It's a promise.

Sam Quentin

I know in some countries around the globe of similar size to our own and with an army of a similar capability and capacity as our own,.. Have a course available at end of schooling for such take over attempts by aggressors from opposing countries..
It's called the RLF course!?

Run Like Fúck

titan18

Depends who it was. In the vast majority of cases, declaring war on us means you're effectively declaring war on the UK, US and EU at the same time. In those cases, I'd laugh as nothing will happen in reality here.

If it's one of them declaring war on us, why haven't we surrendered alrighty.

A Pint of Goo

Deleted User wrote: »

Actually all countries are made up by us humans. It is a myth that we all agree to. Dying for that myth is just as stupid as dying for any other made up cause. Wouldn't it be stupid to die in a holy war for the sake of a religion. Nations and nationalism are ideologies like anything else. Dying for your country is not that far off. I did not choose to be an Irish citizen, why should I have to sacrifice anything for it. I am happy to be Irish. I do love Ireland. But I'm sure I'd feel the same if I was born in any other country. I will provide for the country as it has provided for me but, I'm sorry, I won't be next to you in the trenches. Not a chance. I'd sooner want to understand why any country would want to wage war on us then try and avoid it entirely.

What about fighting for your family? Also if the country was invaded all able bodied men of fighting age would conscripted so you'd be in the ranks whether you want to or not.

BattleCorp

I'd a dream a while back that I died in the war in Northern Ireland so I guess the war won't go so well for me. 😢

tryfix

The only country that would have the remotest interest in invading the ROI would be the UK. Let's say for the craic that a mad Tory/DUP Coalition was in power in the UK at a time when a Nationalist majority won an unofficial border poll and seized control of the North with the support of the ROI. Something like what happened with the Basque region in Spain.

Imagine a Maggie Thatcher type in Downing Street, they'd send in the troops in a flash. Forget about any help from the USA ( big allies of the UK ) . It would make for a fascinating potential clash between the EU and the UK.

Mr_Man2121

Ah sure we'll figure it out

Beasty

Put both hands in the air and ask them what they want me to do.....

A Pint of Goo

A Pint of Goo wrote: »

What about fighting for your family? Also if the country was invaded all able bodied men of fighting age would conscripted so you'd be in the ranks whether you want to or not.

Ireland has conscription? News to me.

I made this distinction between family and country already. Of course I would fight for my friends and family. That is perfectly natural to all of us. To extend my family to include a nation and expect me to give my life for it? That is a dangerous ideology that is far too prevalent.

Hector Bellend

I'd have a few pints.

JohnMc1

It would be interesting to see how many of the "New Irish" would be willing to risk their lives to defend Ireland.

AMKC

I always suspected them Icelandics had a secret agenda. I just hope there secret army is not as good as there football team or we might be in big trouble lol.

tryfix wrote: »

The only country that would have the remotest interest in invading the ROI would be the UK. Let's say for the craic that a mad Tory/DUP Coalition was in power in the UK at a time when a Nationalist majority won an unofficial border poll and seized control of the North with the support of the ROI. Something like what happened with the Basque region in Spain.

Imagine a Maggie Thatcher type in Downing Street, they'd send in the troops in a flash. Forget about any help from the USA ( big allies of the UK ) . It would make for a fascinating potential clash between the EU and the UK.

It would make for a fascinating potential clash between the EU and the UK.[/QUOTE]

Sure we have that already with Brexit.

SilverTom

BattleCorp wrote:

I'd a dream a while back that I died in the war in Northern Ireland so I guess the war won't go so well for me. 😢

Stand behind this bullet sponge.

Rawr

Declare war? Well, I have a win-win battle strategy that the government should keep on their files.

Upon declaration of war, locate the most fighty annoying alcoholic scangers in Ireland. Gift all of them with free copies of The Sun which mysteriously also includes a voucher for a "Free Holiday to Magaluf".

Thereafter, load all of the "volunteers" onto a huge fleet of Ryanair aircraft, ply them with gallons of complimentary Dutch Gold and point the fleet at the enemy capital. The chaos unleashed on their streets would have them wanting a peace treaty in no time, while Ireland is relieved of some scangers. (Win-win...well for us anyway)

Alas we'd only get to do this once, as the UN would likely ban the use of Weaponised Scangers soon afterward.

Graces7

Wondering if we out here in the wilds would even notice?

Franz Von Peppercorn

JohnMc1 wrote: »

It would be interesting to see how many of the "New Irish" would be willing to risk their lives to defend Ireland.

Probably more than the “old Irish” with their “artificial construct” malarkey. Certainly any who got citizenship are proud of it (the rest aren’t officially Irish).

gw80

gw80 wrote: »

No you didn't choose to be born here, but the reason you were born at all was because you're ancestors faught and died for the society you live in today, imperfect as it is, it is a damn sight better than a vast amount of countries in the world.

The reason I was born at all? That's something that can't be answered. Which ancestors am I supposed to be especially proud of fighting and dying? The Romans, Vikings, Normans, Celts, Mesolithic, Neolithic? We've all been fighting for as long as time. What makes you think the people that won out are the most deserving and true to Ireland.

Franz Von Peppercorn

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The reason I was born at all? That's something that can't be answered. Which ancestors am I supposed to be especially proud of fighting and dying? The Romans, Vikings, Normans, Celts, Mesolithic, Neolithic? We've all been fighting for as long as time. What makes you think the people that won out are the most deserving and true to Ireland.

None of these groups exterminated the celts, some of them are eras not people, and the Romans never arrived. This is historically illiterate nonsense, just as your “all borders are artificial” is a defense of imperialism.

But it doesn’t matter. You are here now. The invaders in this thought experiment are hardly invading for the benefit of the people now here. You are not going to fight back because “all borders are artificial”.

Franz Von Peppercorn

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ireland has conscription? News to me.

I made this distinction between family and country already. Of course I would fight for my friends and family. That is perfectly natural to all of us. To extend my family to include a nation and expect me to give my life for it? That is a dangerous ideology that is far too prevalent.

You said you were going to flee at the first sigh of trouble. No mention of family being brought along.

And in the case of an invasion (by an imperialist force by definition) you are asked to defend a country not to invade another. What’s particularly dangerous about that as an ideology? What’s even nationalist about it? If I lived in another country, had no national affinity to it, and it was attacked by an outside power I’d like to think I’d stay and fight.

Far more dangerous is the idea that since boundaries are artificial and invaders can’t be fought against that big powers should be able to overthrow the smaller. This is the inevitable result of an ideology where countries are not to be defended against attack. Small countries will be swallowed up by larger countries, who are themselves impervious to attack, being large.

Your ideology would have seen you flee Poland in 1939 because it would be nationalist to resist. And your ideology also asserts that the Nazi or Soviet empires were legitimate empires because if all borders are artificial then any empire is as good as any number of nation states, if not better as there are fewer borders, which you see in general to be opposed to.

Those empires are direct result of overbearing nationalism. I'm claiming if nobody bought into any of it, there wouldn't even be an invading force. I'm disagreeing with the premise of this thought experiment.

Franz Von Peppercorn

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Those empires are direct result of overbearing nationalism. I'm claiming if nobody bought into any of it, there wouldn't even be an invading force. I'm disagreeing with the premise of this thought experiment.

There is an invading force. That’s the thought experiment you were asked. You weren’t asked if you would suppport Ireland in invading Iceland or whatever we could possibly do.

dublinbuster

we get invaded in the morning , i would do nothing.
the current rulers screw the public left right and center, i would give the new rulers time to see if they when any better that the current ones.
it might work out much better for the public

DEFTLEFTHAND

Apparently Liechtenstein have plans to invade this summer.

Zebra3

Seize a biscuit factory.


(Chocolate Kimberley, yum).

tomofson

Rawr wrote: »

Declare war? Well, I have a win-win battle strategy that the government should keep on their files.

Upon declaration of war, locate the most fighty annoying alcoholic scangers in Ireland. Gift all of them with free copies of The Sun which mysteriously also includes a voucher for a "Free Holiday to Magaluf".

Thereafter, load all of the "volunteers" onto a huge fleet of Ryanair aircraft, ply them with gallons of complimentary Dutch Gold and point the fleet at the enemy capital. The chaos unleashed on their streets would have them wanting a peace treaty in no time, while Ireland is relieved of some scangers. (Win-win...well for us anyway)

Alas we'd only get to do this once, as the UN would likely ban the use of Weaponised Scangers soon afterward.

You think the local yobs in russia or any eastern european country would be intimidated by our "skangers"? They would make or worse look like boy scouts.

indioblack

Graces7 wrote: »

Wondering if we out here in the wilds would even notice?

You might say that was how the country was taken the last time.
[There's many a true word spoken in jest].

badtoro

tomofson wrote: »

How would you react if some random country declared war on Ireland?

Order lots of ammo and figure out how to grease up the guns for long term storage in a bog somewhere :cool:

Nettle Soup

Bob Harris wrote: »

The good ol US of A would react for us.
Unless it was Saudi Arabia.

Or Israel