How would you react if some random country declared war on Ireland?

Franz Von Peppercorn

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Seems like perfect time to clean house by shooting all our politicians. It doesn't really matter who invades Ireland.

Modern terrorism/warfare has shown that holding territory long term is incredibly difficult and expensive. Any invaders will just leave after a bit. So, take the opportunity and shoot the politicians... we can find new heroes.

The last invaders left after 800 years and it wasn’t plain sailing.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The last invaders left after 800 years and it wasn’t plain sailing.

times have changed. Hence the reference to 'modern'

Franz Von Peppercorn

[Deleted User] wrote: »

times have changed. Hence the reference to 'modern'

And where’s the evidence that invaders leave these days either? The US is still in Afghanistan.

Anyway who is doing the rebelling in Ireland? That’s the question.

TheValeyard

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The last invaders left after 800 years and it wasn’t plain sailing.

Well the Irish sea can be rough

TheValeyard

If Hollywood has taught me anything(and it hasnt), its that Russians have worse aim than Stormtrooopers, so I could easily pick off an entire Putin Battalion, with my one good rifle, infinite ammo, standing on a hill.

WoollyRedHat

Put the kettle on and make some tea.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

And where’s the evidence that invaders leave these days either? The US is still in Afghanistan.

Anyway who is doing the rebelling in Ireland? That’s the question.

Afghanistan being a hole in the middle of nowhere, and Ireland being a 1st world nation and a member of the EU. Yes.. good comparison there. And how well is the US doing in controlling Afghanistan? Not very, and the pressure is building constantly to leave, with very little indication of any gains by staying there.

A nation could occupy Ireland if there was no international involvement and they were willing to slaughter everyone. However, with Ireland being as it is, such measures wouldn't be tolerated.

Franz Von Peppercorn

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Afghanistan being a hole in the middle of nowhere, and Ireland being a 1st world nation and a member of the EU. Yes.. good comparison there. And how well is the US doing in controlling Afghanistan? Not very, and the pressure is building constantly to leave, with very little indication of any gains by staying there.

A nation could occupy Ireland if there was no international involvement and they were willing to slaughter everyone. However, with Ireland being as it is, such measures wouldn't be tolerated.

You still don’t seem to get the question. There’s nobody coming to our aid. So we have to fight back.

You think invaders won’t stay because of “terrorism” but that’s the only way to fight back. If the army worked we wouldn’t lose the initial war so guerrila war it is. So who is doing that? Not you or most people in this thread. You are going to help take out the native political class, others are going to leave this artificial entity - presumably leaving the rest of their family behind.

It looks like this army rolls in and we say “grand so”.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

You still don’t seem to get the question. There’s nobody coming to our aid. So we have to fight back.

You think invaders won’t stay because of “terrorism” but that’s the only way to fight back. If the army worked we wouldn’t lose the initial war so guerrila war it is. So who is doing that? Not you or most people in this thread. You are going to help take out the native political class, others are going to leave this artificial entity - presumably leaving the rest of their family behind.

It looks like this army rolls in and we say “grand so”.

You have no idea what I or other posters would do. Just like I don't know if you'd hide in your garden shed quivering in terror, or turn into a collaborator informing on your neighbors for favors. :rolleyes:

And I figure the invaders wouldn't stay due to the lack of anything worth taking in Ireland, combined with Ireland being connected to other countries in Europe. Nobody coming to save us? Why not? You're not the OP deciding the rules for this situation...

iamwhoiam

If they brought a new HSE with them and sorted out our health system and build houses for the population then I might even make them a cuppa and show them the M50 and how to get around

Neames

I'd complain about it on boards.ie

Capt'n Midnight

We'd stop exporting bananas to them. :pac:

We could also try to restrict Intel chips and lots of pharma ,


And unfriend them on facebook. In the sense of taking down Facebook and other multinationals based here. As in taking down the execs...

Wouldn't it be nice to line up the Heads of Apple here up against a wall as an excuse to renegotiate the €13Bn, and then to the same for the rest. :pac:
That would attract the attention of the US, why fight when you can get someone else to exert pressure.




At the height of the Troubles, there were 27,000 military personnel in Northern Ireland. That's a third of the current UK army (81,500) so we aren't talking random countries. If we are talking random countries then look at the history of our peacekeepers and rangers.


We are an island so logistics are difficult,
Look at how many ships the UK needed for the Falklands


We aren't in NATO but both of our closest neighbours are, and they have Nukes and a long history of taking action over stuff in their spheres of influence.

And there is the EU Common Security and Defence Policy too.

miocicmma

I would leave Ireland, Any country who would declare war on us would likely kick our asses.

I'd be the first to the barricades -

To complain about the traffic disruption.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The republic of Ireland isn’t made up.

Personally I think citizenship demands some sacrifice. If your country is under existential threat, you should defend it.

Actually all countries are made up by us humans. It is a myth that we all agree to. Dying for that myth is just as stupid as dying for any other made up cause. Wouldn't it be stupid to die in a holy war for the sake of a religion. Nations and nationalism are ideologies like anything else. Dying for your country is not that far off. I did not choose to be an Irish citizen, why should I have to sacrifice anything for it. I am happy to be Irish. I do love Ireland. But I'm sure I'd feel the same if I was born in any other country. I will provide for the country as it has provided for me but, I'm sorry, I won't be next to you in the trenches. Not a chance. I'd sooner want to understand why any country would want to wage war on us then try and avoid it entirely.

Which one of these non-made up countries is worth dying for. Nationalism and how easily people buy into it baffles me.

Franz Von Peppercorn

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You have no idea what I or other posters would do. Just like I don't know if you'd hide in your garden shed quivering in terror, or turn into a collaborator informing on your neighbors for favors.

Surely all I know what people will do is what they say what they are going to do. That’s all we have on the internet. You are going to kill local politicians.

And I figure the invaders wouldn't stay due to the lack of anything worth taking in Ireland, combined with Ireland being connected to other countries in Europe. Nobody coming to save us? Why not? You're not the OP deciding the rules for this situation...

I may not be the op but the rules are clear. Would you fight to defend Ireland. Bringing in other parties makes the question redundant.

Franz Von Peppercorn

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Which one of these non-made up countries is worth dying for. Nationalism and how easily people buy into it baffles me.

The change of borders isn’t the same as the change of national groups. For instance there used to be much fewer countries in the world but that was because of imperialism. Now there are more. In general most European states are nation states - some exceptions like the U.K. aside.

The country you live in now was part of the U.K. for instance. Now it isn’t. The reason that happened isn’t because somebody invented a fake line on a map but because a fake line on the map included Ireland and now it doesn’t.

Regardless of nation states though why shouldn’t you feel responsible for the people around you or have a duty of citizenship? You are going to flee? What about your family? Do you expect to pop back after the war?

Franz Von Peppercorn

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Actually all countries are made up by us humans. It is a myth that we all agree to. Dying for that myth is just as stupid as dying for any other made up cause. Wouldn't it be stupid to die in a holy war for the sake of a religion. Nations and nationalism are ideologies like anything else. Dying for your country is not that far off. I did not choose to be an Irish citizen, why should I have to sacrifice anything for it. I am happy to be Irish. I do love Ireland. But I'm sure I'd feel the same if I was born in any other country. I will provide for the country as it has provided for me but, I'm sorry, I won't be next to you in the trenches. Not a chance. I'd sooner want to understand why any country would want to wage war on us then try and avoid it entirely.

Some states are made up but nation states are more stable than multinational states or empires for a reason.

If I were the op I would have made the invaders an existential threat. Would you defend Ireland from an external threat that’s likely to make the country much worse off and its citizens second class subalterns? This would stop the nonsense regarding a better HSE.

Does being “opposed to nationalism” mean acquiescing to imperialism? The country invading us is by definition imperialist. Would you consider the polish army defending Warsaw in WWII as nationalist as the Nazi invaders? Would a polish citizen who fled to another “artificial entity” to avoid the war (not continue it as many did in Britain) be to you a hero and anti nationalist?

K.Flyer

So say for a minute it was to really happen, negotiations have failed. The reason is irrelevant, they want to do it and they are coming to invade and we are not getting much assistance from anyone, but it is going to be aggressive, and in their eyes, a strategic take over. Then what?
Options are few, put the kettle on and open the door, man the lifeboats, women and children first and flee, or make a stand and defend ourselves as best as we can?
Obviously, there will be some people in each camp, but I do wonder to what degree.
Personally I would like to see a stand being made, but given our fairly limited resources, I imagine it would be more guerrilla warfare than opposing trench battles.

Sin City

Sh1ts about to get real :D

Jimbob1977

Throw my shoes over the electricity wires in honour of the fallen hero 'Old Shoe'.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The change of borders isn’t the same as the change of national groups. For instance there used to be much fewer countries in the world but that was because of imperialism. Now there are more. In general most European states are nation states - some exceptions like the U.K. aside.

The country you live in now was part of the U.K. for instance. Now it isn’t. The reason that happened isn’t because somebody invented a fake line on a map but because a fake line on the map included Ireland and now it doesn’t.

Regardless of nation states though why shouldn’t you feel responsible for the people around you or have a duty of citizenship? You are going to flee? What about your family? Do you expect to pop back after the war?

You've hit the crux of it my opinion. Of course I will fight for my friends and family. That is completely natural to all of us. The extension of my family into an entire country is an ideology that I find dangerous. I will not fight for what I presume will be a bogus war. I would fight to prevent the war ever starting but would more than likely refuse to take part in it. I would have to know why war would ever be declared on Ireland. I don't think there will ever a good enough reason. We've been killing each other for far too long for beyond ridiculous ideologies.

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Some states are made up but nation states are more stable than multinational states or empires for a reason.

If I were the op I would have made the invaders an existential threat. Would you defend Ireland from an external threat that’s likely to make the country much worse off and its citizens second class subalterns? This would stop the nonsense regarding a better HSE.

Does being “opposed to nationalism” mean acquiescing to imperialism? The country invading us is by definition imperialist. Would you consider the polish army defending Warsaw in WWII as nationalist as the Nazi invaders? Would a polish citizen who fled to another “artificial entity” to avoid the war (not continue it as many did in Britain) be to you a hero and anti nationalist?

I'm lucky to live in a time and a place where such threats don't exist, I will never have to make the choice between opposing nationalism and acquiescing to imperialism. I think there is two sides to every story. Get the root of why anyone is arming themselves and we move towards disarming everyone. There will probably be some lad on the side of the war trying to kill you for equally ridiculous reasons just because you were both born in a different parts of that world. I'd have to abstain unfortunately. I think its better for everyone in the long run.

K.Flyer

K.Flyer wrote: »

So say for a minute it was to really happen, negotiations have failed. The reason is irrelevant, they want to do it and they are coming to invade and we are not getting much assistance from anyone, but it is going to be aggressive, and in their eyes, a strategic take over. Then what?
Options are few, put the kettle on and open the door, man the lifeboats, women and children first and flee, or make a stand and defend ourselves as best as we can?
Obviously, there will be some people in each camp, but I do wonder to what degree.
Personally I would like to see a stand being made, but given our fairly limited resources, I imagine it would be more guerrilla warfare than opposing trench battles.

How do I escape this alternate reality where the reasons for war are irrelevant

italodisco

tomofson wrote: »

How would you react if some random country declared war on Ireland?

I'd pick up arms and protect my family

SEPT 23 1989

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The republic of Ireland isn’t made up.

Personally I think citizenship demands some sacrifice. If your country is under existential threat, you should defend it.

sacrifice my life to defend the pigs at the trough

not a hope

italodisco

italodisco wrote: »

I'd pick up arms and protect my family

This I would 100% do this.

I happened to come across that gif just as I read this thread so here's the context if your curious.

tbh, we need to give Ireland back to the Hibernians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY9P0QSxlnI

Franz Von Peppercorn

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Surely all I know what people will do is what they say what they are going to do. That’s all we have on the internet. You are going to kill local politicians.

Yup. I'd be up for killing the politicians... and you took that to mean that I wouldn't fight for my country.

I may not be the op but the rules are clear. Would you fight to defend Ireland. Bringing in other parties makes the question redundant.

What rules? Your rules? Of course, I'd fight for my country. I'd imagine most Irish people would when it comes down to it.

And other parties being brought in isn't redundant considering the "federation" we're currently in and the manner of European politics. Ireland wouldn't be allowed to simply fall to another power unopposed. Now, fine. If Europe has been nuked to pieces, and Ireland is all that's left, your "rules" have merit. (I don't see the US getting involved)

MarkY91

We would be ****ed. Laughable at best defence forces.

Black Swan

If they would pay for Irish water, then we would welcome them.