How would you react if some random country declared war on Ireland?

tomofson

How would you react if some random country declared war on Ireland?

tomofson

tomofson wrote: »

How would you react if some random country declared war on Ireland?

Tell them they are still wrong and that the customs union & single market is the only way going forward.

Knock down a Lidl.

Pac1Man

Point them towards the Repeal thread and show them this is what they are inheriting. They'd quickly fook off.

TheValeyard

Few cans. Fight back.

Mr_Man2121

Like how Isis did?

Assetbacked

Round up their citizens in our country and incarcerate them. Then, depending on levels of escalation, use them as political pawns. Try to get irish citizens out of dcoutbries allied to the country which declared war on us.

Doltanian

Join in with them, it could not possibly get any worse than the Marxism we are currently exposed to.

wexie

I'd imagine it would largely depend on what random country that was.

Russia or China....oh **** let's stock up on beans, pasta and toiletpaper.

Belgium.....meh <shrug>

10pennymixup

Laugh loads................nearly as much as I'm laughing right now at this thread and how ridiculous it is.

namenotavailablE

Probably check the calendar to be sure that it isn't April 1st.

Let them win. But eventually move there, take their jobs and women, and just sort of grind them down until their stuck with an awful mess no one in their right minds would ever take back. Stop me if you've heard this one before.

Gonad

Grab a paddy cap

March all the kids from my estate towards the GPO

Wait patiently until the right time I can use the following phrase






























I’ll make a ****ing army out of yee if it’s the last thing I do !

Graces7

Hitler failed as the troops got lost.

Out here on the island? Not a thing. "we will fight them on the beaches..." Hard to land and nothing worth fighting for.. or bombing...

Mr.Crinklewood

Hire Pinky and The Brain.

corner of hells

Apparently we were at war as late as 1996.Well worth a Google


"The Turbot War (known in Spain as "Guerra del Fletán") was an international fishing dispute between Canada (supported by the United Kingdom and Ireland) and Spain (supported by the European Union and Iceland) in which Canada stopped a Spanish fishing trawler from Galicia in international waters and arrested its crew. Canada claimed that European Union factory ships were illegally overfishing Greenland halibut, also known as Greenland turbot, on the Grand Banks, just outside Canada's declared 200-nautical-mile (370 km) exclusive economic zone (EEZ)."

SEPT 23 1989

I would send a strongly worded telegram to the League of Nations in Geneva

Bob Harris

The good ol US of A would react for us.
Unless it was Saudi Arabia.

Arghus

I'd be like, "what?"

StupidLikeAFox

Stick on a Wolfe tones cd, but sing different words accordingly

"Oh come out you North Koreans" etc etc

Panthro

At first I'd be like "Oh no! Not Liechtenstein!"
Then I'd be all "Hah, fackin Liechtenstein what are yez like. Yer bleeding tiny."
Then I'd be ok I reckon.

Zaph

I'd order the immediate closure of all Irish pubs in that country. That would show them we mean business!

mulbot

Bob Harris wrote: »

The good ol US of A would react for us.
Unless it was Saudi Arabia.

Or Israehell

Agricola

Deise Vu

Bob Harris wrote: »

The good ol US of A would react for us.
Unless it was Saudi Arabia.

This sounds like a plan.

As the enemy masses for invasion we should send all our troops out on oil rigs and see if we can find the oil Tony O’Reilly keeps discovering off the south coast and then losing again.

If we had oil Uncle Sam would be straight in to rescue the ould sod. ( not just Michael D, all of us!).

Probably leave the country. I'm not dying against some made up entity for the sake of another.

Sin City

who would ever want to invade us
Unless Norn Ireland want to expand their empire

K.Flyer

Sent them a message to hold off for a bit while the government sets up a group to discuss the potential threat, which may eventually lead to a referendum vote depending on just how outraged and triggered some people's reactions have been, but, depending on the outcome of the vote, we may have to vote again if the first outcome was the wrong one, whilst all the time we will need to be taking advice from the E.U. on how much we could spend on defending ourselves...
Hopefully by the time we would have gotten through all of that, they would have lost interest.

BBDBB

I'll stick the kettle on

Seems like perfect time to clean house by shooting all our politicians. It doesn't really matter who invades Ireland.

Modern terrorism/warfare has shown that holding territory long term is incredibly difficult and expensive. Any invaders will just leave after a bit. So, take the opportunity and shoot the politicians... we can find new heroes.

Franz Von Peppercorn

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Probably leave the country. I'm not dying against some made up entity for the sake of another.

The republic of Ireland isn’t made up.

Personally I think citizenship demands some sacrifice. If your country is under existential threat, you should defend it.

Franz Von Peppercorn

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Seems like perfect time to clean house by shooting all our politicians. It doesn't really matter who invades Ireland.

Modern terrorism/warfare has shown that holding territory long term is incredibly difficult and expensive. Any invaders will just leave after a bit. So, take the opportunity and shoot the politicians... we can find new heroes.

The last invaders left after 800 years and it wasn’t plain sailing.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The last invaders left after 800 years and it wasn’t plain sailing.

times have changed. Hence the reference to 'modern'

Franz Von Peppercorn

[Deleted User] wrote: »

times have changed. Hence the reference to 'modern'

And where’s the evidence that invaders leave these days either? The US is still in Afghanistan.

Anyway who is doing the rebelling in Ireland? That’s the question.

TheValeyard

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The last invaders left after 800 years and it wasn’t plain sailing.

Well the Irish sea can be rough

TheValeyard

If Hollywood has taught me anything(and it hasnt), its that Russians have worse aim than Stormtrooopers, so I could easily pick off an entire Putin Battalion, with my one good rifle, infinite ammo, standing on a hill.

WoollyRedHat

Put the kettle on and make some tea.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

And where’s the evidence that invaders leave these days either? The US is still in Afghanistan.

Anyway who is doing the rebelling in Ireland? That’s the question.

Afghanistan being a hole in the middle of nowhere, and Ireland being a 1st world nation and a member of the EU. Yes.. good comparison there. And how well is the US doing in controlling Afghanistan? Not very, and the pressure is building constantly to leave, with very little indication of any gains by staying there.

A nation could occupy Ireland if there was no international involvement and they were willing to slaughter everyone. However, with Ireland being as it is, such measures wouldn't be tolerated.

Franz Von Peppercorn

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Afghanistan being a hole in the middle of nowhere, and Ireland being a 1st world nation and a member of the EU. Yes.. good comparison there. And how well is the US doing in controlling Afghanistan? Not very, and the pressure is building constantly to leave, with very little indication of any gains by staying there.

A nation could occupy Ireland if there was no international involvement and they were willing to slaughter everyone. However, with Ireland being as it is, such measures wouldn't be tolerated.

You still don’t seem to get the question. There’s nobody coming to our aid. So we have to fight back.

You think invaders won’t stay because of “terrorism” but that’s the only way to fight back. If the army worked we wouldn’t lose the initial war so guerrila war it is. So who is doing that? Not you or most people in this thread. You are going to help take out the native political class, others are going to leave this artificial entity - presumably leaving the rest of their family behind.

It looks like this army rolls in and we say “grand so”.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

You still don’t seem to get the question. There’s nobody coming to our aid. So we have to fight back.

You think invaders won’t stay because of “terrorism” but that’s the only way to fight back. If the army worked we wouldn’t lose the initial war so guerrila war it is. So who is doing that? Not you or most people in this thread. You are going to help take out the native political class, others are going to leave this artificial entity - presumably leaving the rest of their family behind.

It looks like this army rolls in and we say “grand so”.

You have no idea what I or other posters would do. Just like I don't know if you'd hide in your garden shed quivering in terror, or turn into a collaborator informing on your neighbors for favors. :rolleyes:

And I figure the invaders wouldn't stay due to the lack of anything worth taking in Ireland, combined with Ireland being connected to other countries in Europe. Nobody coming to save us? Why not? You're not the OP deciding the rules for this situation...

iamwhoiam

If they brought a new HSE with them and sorted out our health system and build houses for the population then I might even make them a cuppa and show them the M50 and how to get around

Neames

I'd complain about it on boards.ie

Capt'n Midnight

We'd stop exporting bananas to them. :pac:

We could also try to restrict Intel chips and lots of pharma ,


And unfriend them on facebook. In the sense of taking down Facebook and other multinationals based here. As in taking down the execs...

Wouldn't it be nice to line up the Heads of Apple here up against a wall as an excuse to renegotiate the €13Bn, and then to the same for the rest. :pac:
That would attract the attention of the US, why fight when you can get someone else to exert pressure.




At the height of the Troubles, there were 27,000 military personnel in Northern Ireland. That's a third of the current UK army (81,500) so we aren't talking random countries. If we are talking random countries then look at the history of our peacekeepers and rangers.


We are an island so logistics are difficult,
Look at how many ships the UK needed for the Falklands


We aren't in NATO but both of our closest neighbours are, and they have Nukes and a long history of taking action over stuff in their spheres of influence.

And there is the EU Common Security and Defence Policy too.

miocicmma

I would leave Ireland, Any country who would declare war on us would likely kick our asses.

I'd be the first to the barricades -

To complain about the traffic disruption.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The republic of Ireland isn’t made up.

Personally I think citizenship demands some sacrifice. If your country is under existential threat, you should defend it.

Actually all countries are made up by us humans. It is a myth that we all agree to. Dying for that myth is just as stupid as dying for any other made up cause. Wouldn't it be stupid to die in a holy war for the sake of a religion. Nations and nationalism are ideologies like anything else. Dying for your country is not that far off. I did not choose to be an Irish citizen, why should I have to sacrifice anything for it. I am happy to be Irish. I do love Ireland. But I'm sure I'd feel the same if I was born in any other country. I will provide for the country as it has provided for me but, I'm sorry, I won't be next to you in the trenches. Not a chance. I'd sooner want to understand why any country would want to wage war on us then try and avoid it entirely.

Which one of these non-made up countries is worth dying for. Nationalism and how easily people buy into it baffles me.

Franz Von Peppercorn

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You have no idea what I or other posters would do. Just like I don't know if you'd hide in your garden shed quivering in terror, or turn into a collaborator informing on your neighbors for favors.

Surely all I know what people will do is what they say what they are going to do. That’s all we have on the internet. You are going to kill local politicians.

And I figure the invaders wouldn't stay due to the lack of anything worth taking in Ireland, combined with Ireland being connected to other countries in Europe. Nobody coming to save us? Why not? You're not the OP deciding the rules for this situation...

I may not be the op but the rules are clear. Would you fight to defend Ireland. Bringing in other parties makes the question redundant.

Franz Von Peppercorn

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Which one of these non-made up countries is worth dying for. Nationalism and how easily people buy into it baffles me.

The change of borders isn’t the same as the change of national groups. For instance there used to be much fewer countries in the world but that was because of imperialism. Now there are more. In general most European states are nation states - some exceptions like the U.K. aside.

The country you live in now was part of the U.K. for instance. Now it isn’t. The reason that happened isn’t because somebody invented a fake line on a map but because a fake line on the map included Ireland and now it doesn’t.

Regardless of nation states though why shouldn’t you feel responsible for the people around you or have a duty of citizenship? You are going to flee? What about your family? Do you expect to pop back after the war?

Franz Von Peppercorn

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Actually all countries are made up by us humans. It is a myth that we all agree to. Dying for that myth is just as stupid as dying for any other made up cause. Wouldn't it be stupid to die in a holy war for the sake of a religion. Nations and nationalism are ideologies like anything else. Dying for your country is not that far off. I did not choose to be an Irish citizen, why should I have to sacrifice anything for it. I am happy to be Irish. I do love Ireland. But I'm sure I'd feel the same if I was born in any other country. I will provide for the country as it has provided for me but, I'm sorry, I won't be next to you in the trenches. Not a chance. I'd sooner want to understand why any country would want to wage war on us then try and avoid it entirely.

Some states are made up but nation states are more stable than multinational states or empires for a reason.

If I were the op I would have made the invaders an existential threat. Would you defend Ireland from an external threat that’s likely to make the country much worse off and its citizens second class subalterns? This would stop the nonsense regarding a better HSE.

Does being “opposed to nationalism” mean acquiescing to imperialism? The country invading us is by definition imperialist. Would you consider the polish army defending Warsaw in WWII as nationalist as the Nazi invaders? Would a polish citizen who fled to another “artificial entity” to avoid the war (not continue it as many did in Britain) be to you a hero and anti nationalist?

K.Flyer

So say for a minute it was to really happen, negotiations have failed. The reason is irrelevant, they want to do it and they are coming to invade and we are not getting much assistance from anyone, but it is going to be aggressive, and in their eyes, a strategic take over. Then what?
Options are few, put the kettle on and open the door, man the lifeboats, women and children first and flee, or make a stand and defend ourselves as best as we can?
Obviously, there will be some people in each camp, but I do wonder to what degree.
Personally I would like to see a stand being made, but given our fairly limited resources, I imagine it would be more guerrilla warfare than opposing trench battles.