Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

Shefwedfan

elperello wrote: »

A quick read of those links shows clearly that the sentences were imposed by the Court for non payment of fines.

If a person convicted in court for possessing a TV without a licence fails to pay the fine imposed they may end up being committed to prison.

This is standard procedure for non compliance with the order of a court and is a separate matter to the original offence.

Courts must uphold the law by ensuring that their orders are complied with.

If they bought a tv license would they end up in jail? the answer is no


Do somethign which is very rare on boards, admit you are wrong and move on

elperello

ligerdub wrote: »

How many times do we need to go over that argument?

It's ridiculous. It's entirely related to the original offence, end of story.

The original offence does not carry the penalty of a custodial sentence, end of story.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

If they bought a tv license would they end up in jail? the answer is no


Do somethign which is very rare on boards, admit you are wrong and move on

I'm sorry but I can't admit I'm wrong when I'm right.

Your own links prove it is you that is wrong.

No problem moving on while maintaining my position.

Shefwedfan

elperello wrote: »

The original offence does not carry the penalty of a custodial sentence, end of story.



I'm sorry but I can't admit I'm wrong when I'm right.

Your own links prove it is you that is wrong.

No problem moving on while maintaining my position.

:P

The fine was because of no TV license....

It was a silly statement and bad advice to start with, the fact you can't admit it is nothing new on boards.....anyway no point responding anymore.

My main problem with the license is its a tax paid out of my already taxed income.


In many other countries its paid from regular taxation. Remove the cost of collecting the fee which alone costs about a million, and just take it from peoples income tax.

Obvious solution to me.

Shefwedfan

Deleted User wrote: »

My main problem with the license is its a tax paid out of my already taxed income.


In many other countries its paid from regular taxation. Remove the cost of collecting the fee which alone costs about a million, and just take it from peoples income tax.

Obvious solution to me.

Based on this website very few dont have a tv license: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licence


RTE want its just taken out of your wages as a tax so you dont get the chance to not buy it.....thats why people are in uproar.....


My point is take it out, but before they get to that they need to change RTE from the top down

elperello

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Based on this website very few dont have a tv license: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licence


RTE want its just taken out of your wages as a tax so you dont get the chance to not buy it.....thats why people are in uproar.....


My point is take it out, but before they get to that they need to change RTE from the top down

Despite our earlier disagreement this is where we might find some common ground.

I have suggested funding Public Service Broadcasting from general taxation several times on this and other threads.

Following the report of the proposed Broadcasting Commission we should see some progress towards agreement on the future of RTE. Hopefully the funding will be direct rather than the earlier device based tax proposal.

Idbatterim

elperello wrote: »

Despite our earlier disagreement this is where we might find some common ground.

I have suggested funding Public Service Broadcasting from general taxation several times on this and other threads.

Following the report of the proposed Broadcasting Commission we should see some progress towards agreement on the future of RTE. Hopefully the funding will be direct rather than the earlier device based tax proposal.

general taxation? LOL! Theyll have double the staff and pay in a few years! I have a simpler solution, they live within their means, dream up better programing, better RTE player, charge for access outside of here, we have a massive diaspora, why arent they doing that?

ShamNNspace

Lord above Mary o rourke on desert Island discs with Des Cahill there. Could they not think of someone else just for a change like

elperello

Idbatterim wrote: »

general taxation? LOL! Theyll have double the staff and pay in a few years! I have a simpler solution, they live within their means, dream up better programing, better RTE player, charge for access outside of here, we have a massive diaspora, why arent they doing that?

General taxation means everyone makes a contribution, no collection costs, no evasion and no more court cases.

If what you fear comes true and the good things you suggest don't happen then the Commission will be a waste of time.

end of the road

Idbatterim wrote: »

general taxation? LOL! Theyll have double the staff and pay in a few years!

no they won't.
engaging in hyperbolic nonsense isn't going to help your attempted arguments.

Idbatterim wrote: »

I have a simpler solution, they live within their means, dream up better programing, better RTE player, charge for access outside of here, we have a massive diaspora, why arent they doing that?

as we discussed already, if you want them to live within their means then i'm afraid that more then likely means doing more of the things that by the looks of it, we almost all agree on this thread they shouldn't be doing. more entertainment and commercial fluff as that brings in the revenue and is cheap to make.
dream up better programming? well yeah, we already know this and so do they, but what better programming given different people seem to want different things.
charging for access outside of here would i suspect be pointless tbh. i can't imagine that it would actually bring in much, as regardless of how good the content may be in the future, i can't imagine very many are going to pay for something that has always been free to air.

Shefwedfan

Idbatterim wrote: »

general taxation? LOL! Theyll have double the staff and pay in a few years! I have a simpler solution, they live within their means, dream up better programing, better RTE player, charge for access outside of here, we have a massive diaspora, why arent they doing that?

It’s called a VPN, do you think people on boards in Ireland are the only ones that know you can use a vpn to watch programs in another country?

But apart from that, what’s your plan? Reduce the tv license here and expect people overseas to keep RTÉ afloat and we just watch it for free?

Taking the license direct from source would reduce a lot of the overheads. Plus it would stop all the f**min around in courts over fines etc.

As I said this would be all based on a review of RTÉ, give it a 4 year start and if they make a mess the revert....RTÉ is required, simple as that. Some section of it are not but that would be part of the review

Kivaro

Deleted User wrote: »

My main problem with the license is its a tax paid out of my already taxed income.


In many other countries its paid from regular taxation. Remove the cost of collecting the fee which alone costs about a million, and just take it from peoples income tax.

Obvious solution to me.

And look who thanked this post. Surprise, surprise.
This is exactly what RTE wants, as it would provide them with an open cheque book. Irrespective of their protestations that checks and balance will be put in place, RTE will rape the country even further in order to keep the lifestyles of their management, stars, and staff at the highest level.
RTE are not our national broadcaster, as they do not present the views of the majority. They are a national disgrace due to the partial and biased reporting and pontifications on their news and current affairs programs.

The first week when Covid hit Ireland; the second item usually on their reports was the impending explosion of deaths in Direct Provision centres all around the country. Not a word from them about nursing homes or care centres where vulnerable people were at high risk ...... which was already evident from Italian and Spanish reports.
Nope, asylum seekers and Direct Provision centres were RTE's primary concern. Why is the RTE Investigates crack team not investigating the failures by government and the HSE to protect our older citizens in nursing homes?
Too busy I presume researching non-existent or self-imposed problems within the Traveling community.

end of the road

Kivaro wrote: »

And look who thanked this post. Surprise, surprise.
This is exactly what RTE wants, as it would provide them with an open cheque book. Irrespective of their protestations that checks and balance will be put in place, RTE will rape the country even further in order to keep the lifestyles of their management, stars, and staff at the highest level.
RTE are not our national broadcaster, as they do not present the views of the majority. They are a national disgrace due to the partial and biased reporting and pontifications on their news and current affairs programs.

The first week when Covid hit Ireland; the second item usually on their reports was the impending explosion of deaths in Direct Provision centres all around the country. Not a word from them about nursing homes or care centres where vulnerable people were at high risk ...... which was already evident from Italian and Spanish reports.
Nope, asylum seekers and Direct Provision centres were RTE's primary concern. Why is the RTE Investigates crack team not investigating the failures by government and the HSE to protect our older citizens in nursing homes?
Too busy I presume researching non-existent or self-imposed problems within the Traveling community.

it is not rte's job to present the views of the majority or the minority, it's their job to report the facts and they do.
you need to accept that there is little demand for a propaganda machine to parrot your views.

elperello

Kivaro wrote: »

And look who thanked this post. Surprise, surprise.
This is exactly what RTE wants, as it would provide them with an open cheque book. Irrespective of their protestations that checks and balance will be put in place, RTE will rape the country even further in order to keep the lifestyles of their management, stars, and staff at the highest level.
RTE are not our national broadcaster, as they do not present the views of the majority. They are a national disgrace due to the partial and biased reporting and pontifications on their news and current affairs programs.

The first week when Covid hit Ireland; the second item usually on their reports was the impending explosion of deaths in Direct Provision centres all around the country. Not a word from them about nursing homes or care centres where vulnerable people were at high risk ...... which was already evident from Italian and Spanish reports.
Nope, asylum seekers and Direct Provision centres were RTE's primary concern. Why is the RTE Investigates crack team not investigating the failures by government and the HSE to protect our older citizens in nursing homes?
Too busy I presume researching non-existent or self-imposed problems within the Traveling community.

It's quite obvious why I thanked that post.
The posters views more or less coincide with my own.

Direct funding from general taxation doesn't need to be an open cheque book if the proper structures are put in place.

We can't afford to be paralysed by fear of failure or continue to be prisoners of past mistakes.

y0ssar1an22

Any idea how much news readers get paid? Dobbo and Perry for example.

RabbleRouser2k

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

Any idea how much news readers get paid? Dobbo and Perry for example.

In 2018, Bryan was earning over 198,000 euros per year. Sharon Ni Bheolain was (allegedly) earning about 118 000 to 138 000 euros per year.

Considering they're no longer on the 6 O'Clock news, they 'might' have taken a pay cut. ('Hardly bloody likely' I hear you shout).

y0ssar1an22

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

In 2018, Bryan was earning over 198,000 euros per year. Sharon Ni Bheolain was (allegedly) earning about 118 000 to 138 000 euros per year.

Considering they're no longer on the 6 O'Clock news, they 'might' have taken a pay cut. ('Hardly bloody likely' I hear you shout).

maybe they do more behind the screen stuff that i dont know about, research, other shows, etc. But reading news, its the equivalent of painting by numbers. if you're eloquent you can do it. i'm sure theres a plethora of suitable people who would happily read a teleprompter for 50k a year. some nice savings right off the bat.

RabbleRouser2k

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

maybe they do more behind the screen stuff that i dont know about, research, other shows, etc. But reading news, its the equivalent of painting by numbers. if you're eloquent you can do it. i'm sure theres a plethora of suitable people who would happily read a teleprompter for 50k a year. some nice savings right off the bat.

Most of the highly trained people are behind the scenes, operating the teleprompter.
Had a discussion with an acquaintance about that before. Friend of his had a Masters, studied hard-got herself a job in RTE.
Instead of being in front of the camera, she was monitoring the teleprompter so it didn't scroll by too fast.

She was married, and decided to start a family. Quit working at RTE and went into PR or training instead, after she was done with maternity leave.

sligojoek

Kivaro wrote: »

And look who thanked this post. Surprise, surprise.
This is exactly what RTE wants, as it would provide them with an open cheque book. Irrespective of their protestations that checks and balance will be put in place, RTE will rape the country even further in order to keep the lifestyles of their management, stars, and staff at the highest level.
RTE are not our national broadcaster, as they do not present the views of the majority. They are a national disgrace due to the partial and biased reporting and pontifications on their news and current affairs programs.

The first week when Covid hit Ireland; the second item usually on their reports was the impending explosion of deaths in Direct Provision centres all around the country. Not a word from them about nursing homes or care centres where vulnerable people were at high risk ...... which was already evident from Italian and Spanish reports.
Nope, asylum seekers and Direct Provision centres were RTE's primary concern. Why is the RTE Investigates crack team not investigating the failures by government and the HSE to protect our older citizens in nursing homes?
Too busy I presume researching non-existent or self-imposed problems within the Traveling community.

The week before "Covid hit Ireland" Joe Duffy had a lad on who wanted all the rugby flights from Italy cancelled. Joe scoffed at him. "we're an Island. It can't come here" or words to that effect.

A few days later he told another guest, "Even if it does come, it won't kill us." His exact words.


THis is while people were dying in their hundreds in other countries. He entertained people who wanted to visit nursing homes and maternity wards and a couple in their 80s her and 90s him who wanted to go out and admire the daffodils.

They had travellers on Drivetime today complaining cos they can't isolate. THey want free mental health care and helplines. And loads of other stuff

Two examples of travellers trying to isolate. Both seen with my own eyes.

Tuesday (children's allowance day) 5 adults and up to 8 children having a house party. Guards had to come and send most of them home.

Today as I waited in the car for my wife I watched 2 vans and a car come into the three disabled spaces in Aldi. The women queued while the lads stood around throwing fag butts and spitting on the ground till it was time to go in. Then they pulled the kids out of the wagons and brought all them in as well.

Social isolation was the last thing on their minds. Yet RTE tell us travellers are having trouble self Isolating.

Bit Of balance would be nice instead of painting them as victims.

y0ssar1an22

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Most of the highly trained people are behind the scenes, operating the teleprompter.
Had a discussion with an acquaintance about that before. Friend of his had a Masters, studied hard-got herself a job in RTE.
Instead of being in front of the camera, she was monitoring the teleprompter so it didn't scroll by too fast.

She was married, and decided to start a family. Quit working at RTE and went into PR or training instead, after she was done with maternity leave.

i think those things dont qualify you for reading the news unfortunately. you dont need to be technically proficient in anything - not slighting your friend in any way here.

its a pretty simple requirement, be literate and eloquent.

having said that, they do do occasional interviews in the studio, so more to it than i first mentioned above. but not 198k or whatever more.

RabbleRouser2k

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

i think those things dont qualify you for reading the news unfortunately. you dont need to be technically proficient in anything - not slighting your friend in any way here.

its a pretty simple requirement, be literate and eloquent.

having said that, they do do occasional interviews in the studio, so more to it than i first mentioned above. but not 198k or whatever more.

That is true-but then again, Keelin Shanley was very intelligent too. Took the job seriously, without taking herself seriously.

(This person wasn't a friend of mine-she was a friend of an acquaintance.I know 'friend of a friend' sounds odd, but I never met the person they were discussing).

I agree that 'technically' they don't qualify you for anything. Some people have that 'spark' that makes them warm and amiable to the viewer. They connect, without being condescending or insulting.
It's a rare quality that few people possess.

As long as Sharon Ni Bheolain never does an interview, that would be great. She can be condescending as hell.

Brendan Bendar

sligojoek wrote: »

The week before "Covid hit Ireland" Joe Duffy had a lad on who wanted all the rugby flights from Italy cancelled. Joe scoffed at him. "we're an Island. It can't come here" or words to that effect.

A few days later he told another guest, "Even if it does come, it won't kill us." His exact words.


THis is while people were dying in their hundreds in other countries. He entertained people who wanted to visit nursing homes and maternity wards and a couple in their 80s her and 90s him who wanted to go out and admire the daffodils.

They had travellers on Drivetime today complaining cos they can't isolate. THey want free mental health care and helplines. And loads of other stuff

Two examples of travellers trying to isolate. Both seen with my own eyes.

Tuesday (children's allowance day) 5 adults and up to 8 children having a house party. Guards had to come and send most of them home.

Today as I waited in the car for my wife I watched 2 vans and a car come into the three disabled spaces in Aldi. The women queued while the lads stood around throwing fag butts and spitting on the ground till it was time to go in. Then they pulled the kids out of the wagons and brought all them in as well.

Social isolation was the last thing on their minds. Yet RTE tell us travellers are having trouble self Isolating.

Bit Of balance would be nice instead of painting them as victims.

How these people get away with what they get away with never ceases to amaze me.

Unbelievable.....

uptherebels

end of the road wrote: »

no they won't.
engaging in hyperbolic nonsense isn't going to help your attempted arguments.

Utter nonsense. If they are unwilling/unable to live within their means now, why would they suddenly start doing so when they get an increase in guaranteed revenue?

ShamNNspace

sligojoek wrote: »

The week before "Covid hit Ireland" Joe Duffy had a lad on who wanted all the rugby flights from Italy cancelled. Joe scoffed at him. "we're an Island. It can't come here" or words to that effect.

A few days later he told another guest, "Even if it does come, it won't kill us." His exact words.


THis is while people were dying in their hundreds in other countries. He entertained people who wanted to visit nursing homes and maternity wards and a couple in their 80s her and 90s him who wanted to go out and admire the daffodils.

They had travellers on Drivetime today complaining cos they can't isolate. THey want free mental health care and helplines. And loads of other stuff

Two examples of travellers trying to isolate. Both seen with my own eyes.

Tuesday (children's allowance day) 5 adults and up to 8 children having a house party. Guards had to come and send most of them home.

Today as I waited in the car for my wife I watched 2 vans and a car come into the three disabled spaces in Aldi. The women queued while the lads stood around throwing fag butts and spitting on the ground till it was time to go in. Then they pulled the kids out of the wagons and brought all them in as well.

Social isolation was the last thing on their minds. Yet RTE tell us travellers are having trouble self Isolating.

Bit Of balance would be nice instead of painting them as victims.

Heard that interview on drive time yesterday. Especially when one of the ladies said she had bad lungs on account of all the cigarettes she smoked and the interviewer jumped in with "but you'd have bad lungs anyway" or something yo that effect. Talk about prompting

Shefwedfan

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Most of the highly trained people are behind the scenes, operating the teleprompter.
Had a discussion with an acquaintance about that before. Friend of his had a Masters, studied hard-got herself a job in RTE.
Instead of being in front of the camera, she was monitoring the teleprompter so it didn't scroll by too fast.

She was married, and decided to start a family. Quit working at RTE and went into PR or training instead, after she was done with maternity leave.

Just because she has a Masters doesn't mean she is anyway good on the TV



Same as just because Lottie Ryan is the daughter of Gerry Ryan doesn't mean she is any good either on radio/tv.....

RabbleRouser2k

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Just because she has a Masters doesn't mean she is anyway good on the TV



Same as just because Lottie Ryan is the daughter of Gerry Ryan doesn't mean she is any good either on radio/tv.....

Ah now, you're talking Eugenics with Lottie...

That's an entirely different thread there. (Just kidding, don't ban me mods).

Elmo

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Just because she has a Masters doesn't mean she is anyway good on the TV



Same as just because Lottie Ryan is the daughter of Gerry Ryan doesn't mean she is any good either on radio/tv.....

But does she know how a TelePrompTer works?

RabbleRouser2k

Elmo wrote: »

But does she know how a TelePrompTer works?

She does all the scrolling on her smartphone herself.
Ya know, when she's looking at the entertainment section... that everyone already knows from hours earlier.

She's more redundant than the angelus at this point.

Kivaro

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

How these people get away with what they get away with never ceases to amaze me.

Unbelievable.....

They do it, and do it repeatedly, and get away with it because there are no negative consequences for this type of behaviour at RTE.

retalivity

RTÉ to avail of government's wage subsidy scheme

What the actual fúck....
As someone in the journal comments says, "Now the taxpayer gets to subside Ray D’arcy’s 450k annual salary not once but twice!"