What will the next tax be.

RacoonQueen · 01-05-2018 5:02pm

Next tax should be on all junk and processed food hopefully with the tax going back to subsidise and lower the cost of fruit/veg/unprocessed meat

erica74 · 01-05-2018 5:07pm

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Next tax should be on all junk and processed food hopefully with the tax going back to subsidise and lower the cost of fruit/veg/unprocessed meat

Yes please!!

Auguste Comte · 01-05-2018 5:20pm

ELM327 wrote: »

We already pay 2 taxes that fund water:
Motor Tax

General Taxation

Should we introduce a third?

The Irish water tax was a turd from the start.

weldoninhio · 01-05-2018 5:40pm

CeilingFly wrote: »

Minimum alcohol pricing is not a tax - it just stops retails stores selling at ridiculous low prices to get people in to buy other stuff.

Unfortunately it contributes substantially to the excessive drinking culture we have here.

It won't lead to any price increase in pubs or restaurants, but the day of below cost selling of slabs of beer and 1l bottles of cheap vodka are gone.

Do you think half of Europe has an excessive drinking problem??

OldMrBrennan83 · 01-05-2018 5:42pm

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Checkmate19 · 02-05-2018 7:33am

I think a junk food tax is next. I know it's not a tax but rte are going to be looking for an increase soon. They'll will package it as some sort of all inclusive tv/internet package. Sure they are worth it for all the good quality home produced stuff they do.

ELM327 · 02-05-2018 9:08am

weldoninhio wrote: »

Do you think half of Europe has an excessive drinking problem??

Irrelevant
Increased drink costs here will not cure the drink problem
If anything more people will drink as they will have to console themselves about the added cost

northgirl · 02-05-2018 9:11am

Real Irish Butter. FFS.

splinter65 · 02-05-2018 9:13am

Checkmate19 wrote: »

The sugar tax is in now. The min alcohol pricing coming. What other tax's do people see coming because sure as hell they will. Coffee cup and plastic tax are probably the two next one's.

And sure as hell the sugar tax won't be used to fight obesity. Not a chance. The same as the property tax. That is just used to pay something else off. See the bin charges are now including green bins. Like anything once they get them in they just go up.

This min alcohol pricing will start at a level on go up. And its starting at nearly two and a half times the Scotland level. It seems this govt are just hell bent on taking what little pleasures people have left and taxing them on them.

What do you think the government do with the VAT they collect?

Franz Von Peppercorn · 02-05-2018 9:18am

splinter65 wrote: »

What do you think the government do with the VAT they collect?

Er. Spend it?

BailMeOut · 02-05-2018 9:26am

ELM327 wrote: »

We already pay 2 taxes that funds some of our water:

To fund water properly we would need to increase one or both of the two taxes you mentioned or cut funding for other services funded by general taxation and use for water or try to fund water separately. For many people in Ireland the 3rd options seems like the most sensible idea.

weldoninhio · 02-05-2018 11:36am

ELM327 wrote: »

Irrelevant
Increased drink costs here will not cure the drink problem
If anything more people will drink as they will have to console themselves about the added cost

Its not irrelevant, making claims about the "excessive drinking culture we have here" has no basis in fact when the numbers show that we are mid-table in Europe regarding alcohol consumption. Its scaremongering like the above quote that cause these useless, nanny state laws to come into effect.

Has half of Europe turned into Sodom and Gomorrah since they drink more that us and we have an "excessive drinking problem"?? How are they functioning??

weldoninhio · 02-05-2018 11:38am

BailMeOut wrote: »

To fund water properly we would need to increase one or both of the two taxes you mentioned or cut funding for other services funded by general taxation and use for water or try to fund water separately. For many people in Ireland the 3rd options seems like the most sensible idea.

I could save the govt E720m a year to go towards water.

lmimmfn · 02-05-2018 11:55am

BailMeOut wrote: »

To fund water properly we would need to increase one or both of the two taxes you mentioned or cut funding for other services funded by general taxation and use for water or try to fund water separately. For many people in Ireland the 3rd options seems like the most sensible idea.

Water tax would be fine if the whole setup wasn't a scam, DOBs bought for cheap company installing meters, due to be retired council workers moved to Irish water so it would get the pension bill, excessive bonuses for a failed org, jobs in IW weren't open to the public, golden contracts for employees etc. etc.
Its basically a call center that costs a fortune.

Instead of setting up a legitimate open organization for water the usual corrupt system benefitting buddies of the government and council workers was setup.
No thanks, start again and it might be acceptable.

daheff · 02-05-2018 12:03pm

Sugar tax has unintended consequences -more additives/sweetners. I foresee in 20-30 years time we'll have an explosion of illnesses caused by these additives/sweetners.

In terms of the next tax- there'll be taxes on having the internet soon.......and i dont mean VAT or the stupid extension of the tv licence.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 02-05-2018 12:32pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Its not irrelevant, making claims about the "excessive drinking culture we have here" has no basis in fact when the numbers show that we are mid-table in Europe regarding alcohol consumption. Its scaremongering like the above quote that cause these useless, nanny state laws to come into effect.

Has half of Europe turned into Sodom and Gomorrah since they drink more that us and we have an "excessive drinking problem"?? How are they functioning??

Have you got a link for that?

weldoninhio · 02-05-2018 12:35pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Have you got a link for that?

A link for what?

Beta Ray Bill · 02-05-2018 12:38pm

RandomName2 wrote: »

I'm not a huge fan of additional taxes, but there's one charge I think should be brought in.

Minimum charges for use of medical card.

Say what?

Yes, nothing exorbitant. Say, €8 or €10 for a GP visit, some nominal fee for prescriptions. At the moment the system is absolutely bonkers. Small fees would be affordable by everyone, even OAPs, but would help eliminate people using the service who don't need to.

Best Idea I've heard in a long time.
You are 100% right on medical card system. It's absolutely ridiculous!
I know of people with pensions of €250,000 that have medical cards. AND are absolutely terrified of losing their medical cards.
Penny pinchers! Just will not spend their own money.
They sneeze once and they're down to their local GP, stating they want an antibiotic. €50 GP fee, €30 prescription plus what ever administration fee... All on the Tax payer. And it's happening 100's of times everyday.

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Small fees in Ireland have a strange habit of becoming large fees. Charge for ER when introduced 20 pounds, now a 100 euro.

Valid point, maybe they could put a stay on it for 5/6 years.

ELM327 wrote: »

49k income combined would be quite low, so I imagine with sharing the tax bands and credits most tax is offset.

As a single individual I earned 62k last year all in (including bonus) and paid approx 30% of that in tax, USC, PRSI.

You're forgetting:
The VAT you pay on everything
TV licence
Duty on Fuel
Levy's on Insurance products
House hold charge
Vehicle Registration Tax
Motor Tax
Dirt Tax
Bin Charges (used to be free)
Internet Tax <= This is coming
etc
etc

If you do the numbers you'll find most of what you spend goes to the Tax man. (which begs the question... where is the money going!?)

lmimmfn wrote: »

Water tax would be fine if the whole setup wasn't a scam, DOBs bought for cheap company installing meters, due to be retired council workers moved to Irish water so it would get the pension bill, excessive bonuses for a failed org, jobs in IW weren't open to the public, golden contracts for employees etc. etc.
Its basically a call center that costs a fortune.

Instead of setting up a legitimate open organization for water the usual corrupt system benefitting buddies of the government and council workers was setup.
No thanks, start again and it might be acceptable.

This is a ticking time bomb.
State pension funds are all DB schemes. They are in huge trouble as previously people retired at 65 and died in their 70's/80's
Now people are retiring early late 50's (as they are being offered redundancy packages) and living til their 90's or more. There is also a hell of a lot more people employed by the state than their previously was (Jobs for the boys, Thanks Bertie!)

The money is just not there.
Ask any pension specialist about the condition of the state pension fund and they'll tell you it's in bits.

splinter65 · 02-05-2018 1:08pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Er. Spend it?

On what though. What do you think they spend it on?

lawred2 · 02-05-2018 1:09pm

Rjd2 wrote: »

Sugar tax is a tax on poor people.loathsome idea.

how is it a tax on poor people?

lawred2 · 02-05-2018 1:11pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

Of all the unfair taxes that are out there (and by unfair I mean getting absolutely nothing in return), the €30 per year for having a credit card is the worst.

Robbing Ba5tards.

indeed

I like a mug transferred a balance recently... just a few days before that effin tax was effected

two credit cards one balance

lawred2 · 02-05-2018 1:13pm

LirW wrote: »

I'm shocked nobody has thought of a sickness tax? You're sick and can't work? Off you go an pay tax, because when you're sick you can't work and pay tax, so pay a tax that the state gets something for the tax they lose out when you're out sick.

I would expect that most people get illness benefit at their work

lawred2 · 02-05-2018 1:15pm

beefburrito wrote: »

Fck it more like what's the next weekly tenner they'll take out our pockets.

With the sugar tax every family will be down at least a tenner a week.

So that's 520 a year.....

we can dub it an idiot tax if that would make you feel better

would be more aligned with the target demographic as well

Beta Ray Bill · 02-05-2018 1:21pm

splinter65 wrote: »

On what though. What do you think they spend it on?

Bulk of it goes on the following:
Social Welfare (Medical Cards, Dole, Various allowances, Social Housing).
HSE (Bulk of it goes to top end admin, contractors and consultants, very little goes to doctors and nurses).
Paying back the Bailout.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 02-05-2018 1:27pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

A link for what?

The thing you said that I asked for a link for?

That Ireland is mid table in alcohol consumption.

Geuze · 02-05-2018 3:21pm

grahambo wrote: »

Bulk of it goes on the following:
Social Welfare (Medical Cards, Dole, Various allowances, Social Housing).
HSE (Bulk of it goes to top end admin, contractors and consultants, very little goes to doctors and nurses).
Paying back the Bailout.

http://www.cso.ie/en/statistics/governmentaccounts/governmentfinancestatisticsa/

http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/gfsa/governmentfinancestatisticsapril2018/

Social welfare = 20bn approx
other social benefits = 8 bn approx

Social benefits = 28,921m
Staff costs = 20,709
Purchases of goods and services = 9,835m
Interest = 5,811m

Total exp = 77,207m

[this includes depreciation]

JMNolan · 02-05-2018 3:26pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The thing you said that I asked for a link for?

That Ireland is mid table in alcohol consumption.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/590026/total-alcohol-consumption-per-capita-europe/

https://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_safety/specialist/knowledge/alcohol/prevalence_amp_rate_of_alcohol_consumption/alcohol_consumption_mt

Geuze · 02-05-2018 3:27pm

ELM327 wrote: »

49k income combined would be quite low, so I imagine with sharing the tax bands and credits most tax is offset.

As a single individual I earned 62k last year all in (including bonus) and paid approx 30% of that in tax, USC, PRSI.

Yes, 49k isn't huge, but is good for two retired people.

In return for less than 10% direct taxes, they get:

2x med cards
2x travel passes

free TV licence
35pm / 420 pa off their elec bill

I think that is very generous.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 02-05-2018 4:03pm

Geuze wrote: »

Yes, 49k isn't huge, but is good for two retired people.

In return for less than 10% direct taxes, they get:

2x med cards
2x travel passes

free TV licence
35pm / 420 pa off their elec bill

I think that is very generous.

It is.

However the cost is a very high marginal rate. Thanks Obama.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 02-05-2018 4:03pm

^

I mean thanks FF.

What will the next tax be.

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