DCM 2018 - Mentored Novice Thread

Strawberry Swan

The weekend was a mixed bag again. I didn't get to do the half marathon due to phone dying and no alarm. Wasn't in my own house. Very annoying but shows how important it is to be organised which is something I really need to improve on big time and cop myself on cos I'm doing all this training and wasting it, as such. Don't know what I will do for a half marathon race or check what my pmp is.

On the plus side, I did 18 miles yesterday and it went great! Almost too good. Compared to last weeks 16 miles, I did it in a faster time, felt better during and after and don't feel any stiffness today at all. So weird. Maybe I got my energy intake right. I took 2 gels and sipped on Tailwind for most of it. First time trying it and am very happy. It tasted a bit salty and sweet so next time I'll lower the concentration. Used over a half sachet for 320ml bottle.

sann

So. That was quicker than i thought. Kudos to the Swiftcare clinic in Cork and there wonderfull staff. First thing the Doc said after looking at x-ray was you have 2 pieces of steel in your knee and your wondering whys its a bit sore after running 20 miles Sat. The two pieces of steel being 2 screws holding the tendon i had grafted in there instead of a torn cruciate a few years ago.
On the upside she could not see any signs of a stress fracture but did see signs of where the previous surgeon drilled hole in tibea for the graft.
She said to give the running a break for a week. Plenty ice and elevation with some difene. Dont run if there is still pain and to come back and see the knee specialist. She didnt think the Mri is possibly with the screws. Anyway the good thing is the dream is still alive for the moment. I will give it what ever time it needs. All targets and goals are put to one side and if i can get around it i will be more than happy. Thanks for all the good wishes.

Applegirl26

sann wrote: »

So. That was quicker than i thought. Kudos to the Swiftcare clinic in Cork and there wonderfull staff. First thing the Doc said after looking at x-ray was you have 2 pieces of steel in your knee and your wondering whys its a bit sore after running 20 miles Sat. The two pieces of steel being 2 screws holding the tendon i had grafted in there instead of a torn cruciate a few years ago.
On the upside she could not see any signs of a stress fracture but did see signs of where the previous surgeon drilled hole in tibea for the graft.
She said to give the running a break for a week. Plenty ice and elevation with some difene. Dont run if there is still pain and to come back and see the knee specialist. She didnt think the Mri is possibly with the screws. Anyway the good thing is the dream is still alive for the moment. I will give it what ever time it needs. All targets and goals are put to one side and if i can get around it i will be more than happy. Thanks for all the good wishes.

Fantastic sann, delighted it's not a stress fracture. Enjoy your week of rest

juke

sann wrote: »

So. That was quicker than i thought. Kudos to the Swiftcare clinic in Cork and there wonderfull staff. First thing the Doc said after looking at x-ray was you have 2 pieces of steel in your knee and your wondering whys its a bit sore after running 20 miles Sat. The two pieces of steel being 2 screws holding the tendon i had grafted in there instead of a torn cruciate a few years ago.

Is it wrong that I laughed at this?

Great news, follow the advice!

Rossi7

Applegirl26 wrote: »

Rossi7 wrote: »

I thought the same Coogy, but it's a fairly decent running backpack so very little movement on your back when you've both straps buckled in. Found it easier to manage getting the fluids on board saving me a pitstop in the garages

Did the water not get too warm in the backpack?
I loved gulping down an icy cold bottle of water on Saturday, only took about 30 seconds to pop in and buy it. I drank over 2 litres on my 20 miler on Saturday!! 1500 mls had electrolytes and the last 750 mls was plain water.

I love warm ( room temp ) water, was once told by an old footy dietician that it hydrates the body quicker. How true that is I'm not sure. I think you can do yourself harm by over drinking, it can cause your salt in your blood to drop too low ??????

Applegirl26

Rossi7 wrote: »

I love warm ( room temp ) water, was once told by an old footy dietician that it hydrates the body quicker. How true that is I'm not sure. I think you can do yourself harm by over drinking, it can cause your salt in your blood to drop too low ??????

There was salt in the water that had electrolytes added to it.

Mr. Guappa

Rossi7 wrote: »

I love warm ( room temp ) water, was once told by an old footy dietician that it hydrates the body quicker. How true that is I'm not sure. I think you can do yourself harm by over drinking, it can cause your salt in your blood to drop too low ??????

You sweat salt as you run, so that needs to be replaced. Dioralyte, and other electrolyte tablets are basically a sugar/salt mixture, and help keep your salt level up. It's also why the bag of crisps in the goodie bag after a race is useful, as it gets some salt into you.

Delighted to hear that the dream is still alive sann!

Supercell

Thought I was grand after the 20 miler LSR yesterday.
Our house is a bungalow, in work there are stairs...oh the pain!!

Kellygirl

sann wrote: »

So. That was quicker than i thought. Kudos to the Swiftcare clinic in Cork and there wonderfull staff. First thing the Doc said after looking at x-ray was you have 2 pieces of steel in your knee and your wondering whys its a bit sore after running 20 miles Sat. The two pieces of steel being 2 screws holding the tendon i had grafted in there instead of a torn cruciate a few years ago.
On the upside she could not see any signs of a stress fracture but did see signs of where the previous surgeon drilled hole in tibea for the graft.
She said to give the running a break for a week. Plenty ice and elevation with some difene. Dont run if there is still pain and to come back and see the knee specialist. She didnt think the Mri is possibly with the screws. Anyway the good thing is the dream is still alive for the moment. I will give it what ever time it needs. All targets and goals are put to one side and if i can get around it i will be more than happy. Thanks for all the good wishes.

Great news Sann.

skyblue46

sann wrote: »

So. That was quicker than i thought. Kudos to the Swiftcare clinic in Cork and there wonderfull staff. First thing the Doc said after looking at x-ray was you have 2 pieces of steel in your knee and your wondering whys its a bit sore after running 20 miles Sat. The two pieces of steel being 2 screws holding the tendon i had grafted in there instead of a torn cruciate a few years ago.
On the upside she could not see any signs of a stress fracture but did see signs of where the previous surgeon drilled hole in tibea for the graft.
She said to give the running a break for a week. Plenty ice and elevation with some difene. Dont run if there is still pain and to come back and see the knee specialist. She didnt think the Mri is possibly with the screws. Anyway the good thing is the dream is still alive for the moment. I will give it what ever time it needs. All targets and goals are put to one side and if i can get around it i will be more than happy. Thanks for all the good wishes.

Only reading of your problem and then the visit to the clinic now. Delighted that it hasn't turned out to be as bad as feared.

skyblue46

Supercell wrote: »

Thought I was grand after the 20 miler LSR yesterday.
Our house is a bungalow, in work there are stairs...oh the pain!!

7 weeks to slow down

Supercell

skyblue46 wrote: »

7 weeks to slow down

This week for sure

incentsitive

Random question to follow, but I was looking at a video from last year (looking for inspiration) and am trying to figure out where exactly this camera is located? It says Clonskeagh Road but I can't for the life of me figure out where it is?
I know the road very well and can't figure out where it is, I thought maybe Milltown Road but its not there either?

skyblue46

incentsitive wrote: »

Random question to follow, but I was looking at a video from last year (looking for inspiration) and am trying to figure out where exactly this camera is located? It says Clonskeagh Road but I can't for the life of me figure out where it is?
I know the road very well and can't figure out where it is, I thought maybe Milltown Road but its not there either?

I'm not remotely familiar with the area but I know it was at the 30k mark. A quick look at the course video tells me it's Orwell Park just after you turn off Orwell Road.

incentsitive

skyblue46 wrote: »

I'm not remotely familiar with the area but I know it was at the 30k mark. A quick look at the course video tells me it's Orwell Park just after you turn off Orwell Road.

Yeah that makes sense actually, that is where it is. It was incorrectly marked on the video as 20 mile/Clonskeagh Road.

Thanks!

juke

incentsitive wrote: »

Random question to follow, but I was looking at a video from last year (looking for inspiration) and am trying to figure out where exactly this camera is located? It says Clonskeagh Road but I can't for the life of me figure out where it is?
I know the road very well and can't figure out where it is, I thought maybe Milltown Road but its not there either?

Orwell Park, about here https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3071062,-6.2691002,3a,75y,211.98h,75.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSWbsYs6eUv1RfqhCcGRbGw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

sann

juke wrote: »

sann wrote: »

So. That was quicker than i thought. Kudos to the Swiftcare clinic in Cork and there wonderfull staff. First thing the Doc said after looking at x-ray was you have 2 pieces of steel in your knee and your wondering whys its a bit sore after running 20 miles Sat. The two pieces of steel being 2 screws holding the tendon i had grafted in there instead of a torn cruciate a few years ago.

Is it wrong that I laughed at this?

Great news, follow the advice!

Not at all.
It was kinda said with tongue in cheek.ðŸ˜

Naked Lepper

ariana` wrote: »

This is pretty standard practice for marathon plans, some go up to 22 miles but many (I'd go so far as to say most) max out at either 20 miles or 3hrs. What you need to remember is that you are doing 20 miles on tired legs so effectively you are training for the last 20 miles of the marathon and not the first 20 miles - there's a distinct difference! You will be starting the marathon on lovely fresh legs after a 3 week taper, you will feel amazing for those first 10k and won't feel them at all, at the 10k mark you will still have less miles in your legs than you're used to having on a Saturday/Sunday morning after a week of running. It's the accumulated fatigue factor. Trust the plan

thanks that is a really helpful post/perspective!

Hedgehoggy

Didn't do a 20miler at wknd as was doing a half marathon race in Ratoath on Sat. Thought I'd have a go at a race report.

Race was starting at 9 so I set my clock for 6.45am. After hitting the snooze button I finally dragged myself out of bed and made myself a bowl of porridge, which I ate with a banana and washed it down with a coffee and a glass of water. Then off to get my kit on. Had these ready from the night before, but change my mind at the last minute and opt for a vest. Realise its raining so I stick on a warm hoodie and rain jacket. Decide to have a quick coffee for the road then off I set..... Only to realise my OHs van and trailer are blocking me and I have to get him out of the leaba! Now I'm behind schedule and getting nervous ill be late!

When I get to fairyhouse, it's flaking, do a quick warm up with the rain jacket on. Sit back into the car and put on my race number. Thankfully it has dried up and i follow everyone up to the start. I don't have a watch and didn't fancy running with my phone so at the last minute I decide to go with the 1.40 pacers. The race starts and I fall into the back of a group of runners. At this point was thinking I'd play it by ear and reassess after 4miles. Took on some water around 2miles and kept plugging along.... 4 miles marker comes up and Im still feeling good so say I'll reassess again at 8miles.... Between 5-6miles one of two people drop off. Pacers look a bit further away now so decide to get up closer. Starting to feel harder now, but we reach the 8mile marker and I tell myself to keep going, just one more mile, 9miles, tell myself to keep going, legs getting a bit heavier but breathing is OK and I'm just behind the pacers now. One of them gives a shout that we're heading up the last hill then we're into the home stretch... Just what I needed to hear and concentrate on getting up the hill... Now we're back at the race track, hear the pacers shout last 3k, a few in the group surge and I go with them..... The lap around the track seemed to go on forever but knowing the end is in sight spurs me on.... Get over the line in 1.39.29!!!!chip time 1.39.15..... So chuffed!!!

Some good lessons from the day
Will wear same outfit on marathon day
Have good idea of what I'll eat too but will prob up the quantity another bit
Could be more organised in the morning - and not be blocked in!!

Had been coming off a bad week but really glad I went out to race it. Has given me a lot of confidence. Following the plan is working! Now I'll have to stick to it for the next few weeks!!!!!

Well done to everyone on the 20milers it's great to read everyones reports and progress!

Huzzah!

Hedgehoggy wrote: »

Get over the line in 1.39.29!!!!chip time 1.39.15..... So chuffed!!!

That's a cracking time! Well done.

tbukela

I managed a steady 8 mile run last night, legs were feeling a bit creaky after the race at the weekend, but glad I got out. Main reason for posting is that after reading loads on here about chocolate milk I decided to pick some up afterwards. It didn't disappoint! Went down a treat, actually looking forward to doing a long run again at the weekend so I can really savour it

Naked Lepper

all the runs in the HHN1 are either easy or lsr.
is there anyway I could fit in some faster runs this week or even to a time trial over one of them while sticking to the plan?

incentsitive

tbukela wrote: »

I managed a steady 8 mile run last night, legs were feeling a bit creaky after the race at the weekend, but glad I got out. Main reason for posting is that after reading loads on here about chocolate milk I decided to pick some up afterwards. It didn't disappoint! Went down a treat, actually looking forward to doing a long run again at the weekend so I can really savour it

I'll see your chocolate milk and raise you a blueberry and chia seeds smoothie (Recipe on request)

skyblue46

Naked Lepper wrote: »

all the runs in the HHN1 are either easy or lsr.
is there anyway I could fit in some faster runs this week or even to a time trial over one of them while sticking to the plan?

Tweaking a plan using some common sense isn't a problem. If you're at a level where you want to consider speed work or a time trial is it possible that you're using a plan which you are a bit advanced for? I don't think you're in the Strava group so have no real idea what you're doing in training which makes commenting on it a bit difficult for me.

ewc78

Naked Lepper wrote: »

all the runs in the HHN1 are either easy or lsr.
is there anyway I could fit in some faster runs this week or even to a time trial over one of them while sticking to the plan?

A plan like that is just designed to get you across the finish line. If you have a time goal in mind you should be doing runs at Marathon Pace. Running slow and long all the time is all well and good but you need Marathon paced runs also imo. I'd even throw some Marathon paced miles into your weekend long run.
A much faster Marathoner than me (sub 2:20) told me once that running long and slow makes you good at one thing...running long and slow.. He said the long slow run is important but it's only one of a number of important workouts. It isn't the number 1 most important of them, it's all of them combined that make you Marathon ready.

aloooof

aloooof wrote: »

As a suggestion tho, myself and a friend are planning on doing some of the DCM course on Saturday week, as part of the 16m LSR planned for then. If anyone wants to join us, yer more than welcome. We'll be trotting around at around 10:50 - 11 min/mile pace (I think that's ~6:50 / km).

Just gonna throw this our there again folks, in case anyone's keen to join us for the 16m this weekend.

We're planning on leaving Garda HQ in the Park at 9.30am on Saturday morning, running towards Islandbridge, and then doing the final 15 miles of the DCM route. (We'll hit Roebuck Road after 12 miles).

Also, if any one else is running a different pace or planning a different route, feel free to come say hi before we head off.

Applegirl26

ewc78 wrote: »

A plan like that is just designed to get you across the finish line. If you have a time goal in mind you should be doing runs at Marathon Pace. Running slow and long all the time is all well and good but you need Marathon paced runs also imo. I'd even throw some Marathon paced miles into your weekend long run.
A much faster Marathoner than me (sub 2:20) told me once that running long and slow makes you good at one thing...running long and slow.. He said the long slow run is important but it's only one of a number of important workouts. It isn't the number 1 most important of them, it's all of them combined that make you Marathon ready.

Oh dear why do I have a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach after reading this?

Before starting my training for DCM my greatest fear was that I was running "junk miles".
I've loved every moment of following a proper training plan for DCM but I'm slow. If I speed up the distance suffers.

Rossi7

Applegirl26 wrote: »

ewc78 wrote: »

A plan like that is just designed to get you across the finish line. If you have a time goal in mind you should be doing runs at Marathon Pace. Running slow and long all the time is all well and good but you need Marathon paced runs also imo. I'd even throw some Marathon paced miles into your weekend long run.
A much faster Marathoner than me (sub 2:20) told me once that running long and slow makes you good at one thing...running long and slow.. He said the long slow run is important but it's only one of a number of important workouts. It isn't the number 1 most important of them, it's all of them combined that make you Marathon ready.

Oh dear why do I have a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach after reading this?

Before starting my training for DCM my greatest fear was that I was running "junk miles".
I've loved every moment of following a proper training plan for DCM but I'm slow. If I speed up the distance suffers.

Don't worry, our paln is to get us "NOVICES" around DCM safely, some folk maybe getting ahead of themselves with wanting to do a fast time. The quote mentioned above is for someone who has run more than a few marathons and a decent pace. It's good advice for someone who has a few marathons under their belt. Advice probably better off for the marathon improvers thread or sub 4
Keep the main thing the main thing, for us it's getting to the finish line. Your going great in your training so keep at it

OOnegative

Applegirl26 wrote: »

Oh dear why do I have a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach after reading this?

Before starting my training for DCM my greatest fear was that I was running "junk miles".
I've loved every moment of following a proper training plan for DCM but I'm slow. If I speed up the distance suffers.

The advice offered by ewc78 is more for an experienced marathon runner not a marathon novice like yourself. The training your doing is not “junk miles” in anyway, it’s getting your body ready for the great race you are going to run at DCM. I quoted this on another thread, but from now till marathon day think “TTT”(Thrust The Training). There are going to be doubts of course but ariana, skyblue46 and the others that impart there advice here will have ye all in tip top shape come race day.

ewc78

OOnegative wrote: »

The advice offered by ewc78 is more for an experienced marathon runner not a marathon novice like yourself. The training your doing is not “junk miles” in anyway, it’s getting your body ready for the great race you are going to run at DCM. I quoted this on another thread, but from now till marathon day think “TTT”(Thrust The Training). There are going to be doubts of course but ariana, skyblue46 and the others that impart there advice here will have ye all in tip top shape come race day.

In fairness I did say if you have a time goal in mind rather than just to finish. Naked lepper was looking for something else to do rather than all slow runs so that's why I offered him a bit of advice to do some Marathon paced miles. If you just want to finish then of course my advice might not be for you.