8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

P_1

kleingarten wrote: »

marylou is making a political mistake
i can't see her being welcomed in he west of ireland ever again
and that is a shame

Nonsense point

lawred2

KaneToad wrote: »

Peter Boylan scoring very high on the condescending meter. Mary Lou should be allowed talk more...

Agreed

She's running the show herself. The other two on the yes panel haven't had a good night.

But it must be hard work keeping your cool when in a room with that Steen wan. She's insufferable.

Proper head girl material and has never let it go.

SusieBlue

It actually infuriates me that these numbskulls are fighting so hard for their right to control and restrict my maternity care.
Absolute gob****es.

Larbre34

P_1 wrote: »

Peter Boylan massive mis-step there! Do not mansplain in this debate

Can we call it emminent senior obstetrician splaining at all?

No? Ok, we'll defer to non-practising lawyer Steen on the medical definitions...

Dressing gown

AnneFrank wrote: »

All the yes side have is the very small % of hard cases, and they keep going back to it over and over

Anne. Percentages Bollox. 2 families a week. That is not rare. I hope you can sleep at night cos there are pregnant women in Ireland with dying babies that are crying in their beds and getting up in the morning to go off to England to deliver their babies sleeping. Small percentages my arse

KaneToad

lawred2 wrote: »

Agreed

She's running the show herself. The other two on the yes panel haven't had a good night.

But it must be hard work keeping your cool when in a room with that Steen wan. She's insufferable.

She is insufferable. But speaks well. She is a good performer for her sides argument.

Hurrache

It's hard watching, monkeys in the audience are a pain in the hole, but the topic will never have a reasonable debate.

SusieBlue

Shocker that the No side would bring up Down’s syndrome. So disrespectful.

The Talking Bread

Ego clashing, nothing more. No respect for what they are discussing, just pure cold point scoring. A debate is a debate but when Mary Lou McDonald comes across as the most humane person in the studio, you know something is wrong.

Panto

Larbre34

Somebody hit the QI buzzer, Stepford Steen went down Downs Syndrome avenue....

BabysCoffee

Bree Van De Kamp lookalike in the audience

P_1

Larbre34 wrote: »

Can we call it emminent senior obstetrician splaining at all?

No? Ok, we'll defer to non-practising lawyer Steen on the medical definitions...

The optics on that were poor. Like it or not these things matter in an election campaign

Uncharted

SusieBlue wrote: »

Shocker that the No side would bring up Down’s syndrome. So disrespectful.

+1.
Pig ---- grunt.... etc.

robarmstrong

No matter what way the No side put it (and they will deny the claims of them being misogynistic/lack of trust in women down to the ground), here's how it is.

They understand there are hard cases, like FFA, rape, incest, women with medical issues (uterine abnormalities for example which could potentially cause a woman to miscarry god knows how many times in a row until the embryo implants in a "safe" position. They understand that these women need access to abortion and the majority have no problems with these circumstances whatsoever.

They have a problem with women seeking abortions on the grounds of medical health, so -

1) they don't believe medical health issues are serious enough to seek an abortion.
2) they believe that it will become a "social" thing, that women will be able to seek an abortion willy nilly no qualms whenever they want and as often as they want.

So they don't trust women to have safe and legal access to abortion because they fully believe that women will take advantage of any legislation being brought in (bear in mind, they've already attempted to discredit the 97% of abortions done on mental health grounds in the UK) and at the same time they're ridiculing mental health as a justifiable reason for abortion.

Lackey

bubblypop wrote: »

so, what actual points have the no side made?

Right now The Iona institute woman is saying that abortion will be allowed up to 9 months/birth if a woman has mental health issues or the baby has downs syndrome :pac:

mr.anonymous

I'm voting Yes. Really hope my side claps loud enough in the last 20 mins.

Ave Sodalis

Lackey wrote: »

Right now The Iona institute woman is saying that abortion will be allowed up to 9 months/birth if a woman has mental health issues or the baby has downs syndrome :pac:

Please tell me someone is calling her out on it?

Annabella1

Mattie Mcgrath......Jesus

AllForIt

RobertKK wrote: »

Brid Smith making a show of the yes side.

She's not making a show of the yes side. She may be making a show of herself though.

RobertKK

SusieBlue wrote: »

Hi Robert, good to see you back on the thread. Just wondering if you’ve had a chance to answer the question I’ve asked you 4 times yet?

You know, the one where I asked you to tell me why it’s a good thing that should I get pregnant, the 8th will stop me from getting a termination to continue treatment to prevent cervical cancer?
You know, the cervical smear scandal you were so outraged by last week?
Thanks.

It depends on your doctor.

On the Last Word, the compassion is on the No side.
Dr John Monaghan said he would treat a woman if she needed treatment even if the threat to her life was three or four months away and there were no immediate threats to her life, Dr Louise Kenny on the Yes side said she wouldn't and used the 8th as an excuse.


So maybe Yes doctors are too conservative with treatment and the No doctors aren't.

robarmstrong

AnneFrank wrote: »

Pro life, not a license to kill

Ironic, seeing as it was the pro-life mentality of not granting Savita an abortion when she needed one that led to her death.

What's that about killing?

Shelga

I hope the audience are being told to STFU with the clapping while this break is on.

AnneFrank

KaneToad wrote: »

She is insufferable. But speaks well. She is a good performer for her sides argument.

She's a brilliant speaker, I was so happy she was on the panel.Im not sure what difference there is from a being a practicing lawyer to a qualified lawyer.Petty point

gmisk

Mattie Mc Grath..... Honestly shocking... Every word I can make out is nonsense

SusieBlue

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

Please tell me someone is calling her out on it?

Trying to, but she’s shouting over them. They aren’t getting proper chances to rebut all the mistruths they’re shouting at.

What’s that saying, if you throw enough sh*t at the wall, something will stick? That’s what it looks like the No side are doing.

Shelga

This Mark Murphy guy is hot! This debate is a farce so I may as well jump on the tone-lowering bandwagon too.

Uncharted

gmisk wrote: »

Mattie Mc Grath..... Honestly shocking... Every word I can make out is nonsense

He is great in Killinaskully though....

KaneToad

Might have been a half decent debate if they didn't have the audience present.

bloodless_coup

The verve

ohnonotgmail

RobertKK wrote: »

It depends on your doctor.

On the Last Word, the compassion is on the No side.
Dr John Monaghan said he would treat a woman if she needed treatment even if the threat to her life was three or four months away and there were no immediate threats to her life, Dr Louise Kenny on the Yes side said she wouldn't and used the 8th as an excuse.


So maybe Yes doctors are too conservative with treatment and the No doctors aren't.

Have you replied to SueieBlue yet Robert?