Lloyd England exposed was involved in 9/11 false flag event

King Mob

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Where is the damage for that shown on the photograph, genius?

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=448710&stc=1&d=1524229700

I count two floors...

https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/20170105-085755-y4ow1-jpg.23761/

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

By the way I not ruling out a 757 crashed at the Pentagon. My reservations or doubts I have listed in this thread and many still unanswered by you guys.

There is nothing reasonable about your reservations or doubts in this thread

Cheerful Spring

Dohnjoe wrote: »

There is nothing reasonable about your reservations or doubts in this thread

This was people laugh at Skeptics they don't do research. They just pick the parts they like to talk about and ignore everything else.

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=448710&stc=1&d=1524229700

I count two floors...

https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/20170105-085755-y4ow1-jpg.23761/

I comfortable saying now you have no clue what you're looking at, do you? Study the last diagram I posted and the floor damage on the first floor and see if the two sides match up?

Cheerful Spring

DublinWriter wrote: »

Any proof/links on that?

You probably see guys sitting in front of a home computer thinking they're piloting a commercial airliner!

King Mob

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I comfortable saying now you have no clue what you're looking at, do you? Study the last diagram I posted and the floor damage on the first floor and see if the two sides match up?

You said that the plane needed at least 25 feet.
The two floors are 28ft.

Why would you think that there should be a hole on the third floor of the far side of the outer ring?

I think what happened here is that you thought that in original picture you posted, it was showing all the way down to the bottom of the inner ring.
You never bothered to do something basic like count how many floors there were.
Now you are deflecting again.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

This was people laugh at Skeptics they don't do research. They just pick the parts they like to talk about and ignore everything else.

None of these posts are aiming at convincing you personally, that's as impossible a task as you subjectively decide it to be

Readers can make up their own minds which theory is the strongest

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

You said that the plane needed at least 25 feet.
The two floors are 28ft.

Why would you think that there should be a hole on the third floor of the far side of the outer ring?

I think what happened here is that you thought that in original picture you posted, it was showing all the way down to the bottom of the inner ring.
You never bothered to do something basic like count how many floors there were.
Now you are deflecting again.

No, because the reality is the plane has to impact the third floor on the back exit of Ring E

Now what do you see in regards damage on the floor above the first floor? Where did the nose cone go through the wall and what part of the wall did the top end of the body of the plane go through? Where is the back tail damage to the second floor?

First floor do you dispute their columns (t section) still standing in the pictures i posted and not pushed inwards and missing?

Cheerful Spring

Dohnjoe wrote: »

None of these posts are aiming at convincing you personally, that's as impossible a task as you subjectively decide it to be

Readers can make up their own minds which theory is the strongest

I have found a quote belonging to eyewitness online, checking to see if the quote is not taken out of context and is reliable. If it's reliable he will be the best witness to date (reason) he literally was working close and next to blast zone that day outside. If not reliable I, not post. I have to head away for a bit I am back and research the reliability of this quote.

He said the plane was White with American airlines colours. American Airlines is a silver colour, and aluminium shines blue depending on reflection of the sun

King Mob

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

No, because the reality is the plane has to impact the third floor on the back exit of Ring E

Because...? You say so...? Because the plane would suddenly teleport upwards?

You said the plane needs 25 feet. The first two floors are 28 feet. There's plenty of room for the plane to fit.
Also, are you imaging that the plane would cut a perfect plane shape all the way through like a cartoon?

Again, I think you just didn't realise that was the 3rd floor.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

He said the plane was White with American airlines colours. American Airlines is a silver colour, and aluminium shines blue depending on reflection of the sun

And just to highlight how ridiculous your theory is getting:
You are positing that the conspirators went out of their way to bribe some random taxi driver to say a plane knocked a lamp onto his car, for no reason at all other than the hopes this would convince people.

But then, for some reason they weren't bothered to strip their fake plane down to it's aluminium/paint it silver/pick an airline that used white planes, because they didn't care about making it believable or cared about the small details. And they also couldn't use a real jet liner for no reason. And they also had to attack it in a specific way that would be impossible for a jet liner, also for no reason.
And also they decided to attack a place so impossible to attack that it would be suspicious if the attack succeeded (again, for no describable reason.)

And then they also provided the evidence of the damage inside of the pentagon so they could expose their conspiracy when they had no reason to produce that evidence.

And also, they found a crack pilot who could pull off an impossible maneuver who was ok with killing himself... for again, no reason.

Did I miss anything?

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

Because...? You say so...? Because the plane would suddenly teleport upwards?

You said the plane needs 25 feet. The first two floors are 28 feet. There's plenty of room for the plane to fit.
Also, are you imaging that the plane would cut a perfect plane shape all the way through like a cartoon?

Again, I think you just didn't realise that was the 3rd floor.

Again how many times do I have to repeat?

The second floor is 14 feet that means there 11 feet of the Plane remaining must strike the wall on the second floor and create a hole. Now you tell me where you think the cone went through the wall on the second floor?

You have to ignore what the government claimed that 8 columns on the first floor are broken and missing they marked those points in red. Pictures taken after the fire has subsided showed only 4 columns missing on the first floor not 8

Cheerful Spring

http://www.littlebookofjohn.com/quotes/p/pentagon/2[/url]

A mysterious plane was seen flying right over the President’s residence. Even some CNN staffers saw it. To this day it has not been officially explained. (9/11 & Pentagon) CNN News, cited Flight 77: The White Plane

Some of the eyewitnesses reporting a white plane.

It was white with maroon writing on it. (9/11 & Pentagon) Mrs Hubbard, recorded interview Flight 77: The White Plane

You just sort of saw the white go by ... It was white. (9/11 & Pentagon) Veronica recorded interview, Flight 77: The White Plane

I could see the propellers, I could see the windows ... White. It was white ... It was a white plane. (9/11 & Pentagon) Cindy Reyes, interview Flight 77: The White Plane

More of a champagne ... like an off-white. (9/11 & Pentagon) Sergeant Chadwick Brooks, interview Flight 77: The White Plane

The Eyewitness I talked about he worked as a fireman in heliport near the blast area
The aeroplane appeared to be a Boeing 757 or an Airbus 330 - white with blue and orange stripes. (9/11 & Pentagon) Firefighter Alan Wallace, cited Flight 77: The White Plane

Turning road expecting to see a fighter jet flying over, he saw only a split-second glimpse of a white commercial airliner streaking low toward the building and him. (9/11 & Pentagon) Sergeant Maurice L Bease, recorded Major Fred H Allison, cited Flight 77: The White Plane

They saw the white plane and were puzzled that it was flying so low with no airport in that direction. (9/11 & Pentagon) Vera Goodson Stover, high school media library specialist, cited Flight 77:
The White Plane

Dohnjoe talked about smoke before. The theory is we are looking at smoke from an engine? Maybe it, not smoke but a blurred outline of the white plane?

King Mob

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Again how many times do I have to repeat?

The second floor is 14 feet that means there 11 feet of the Plane remaining must strike the wall on the second floor and create a hole. Now you tell me where you think the cone went through the wall on the second floor?

What are you talking about?
You said that the First floor was 14 feet tall.
The second floor is also 14 feet tall.

14+14=28.

So that's more that enough space according to you.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You have to ignore what the government claimed that 8 columns on the first floor are broken and missing they marked those points in red.

Whoa whoa whoa, that's not what the diagram you posted said.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=448715&stc=1&d=1524232335

It says: Impacted, missing, broken, disconnected or otherwise without function.

If you are going to lie about what things say, you shouldn't post them where people can see.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

http://www.littlebookofjohn.com/quotes/p/pentagon/2[/url]

A mysterious plane was seen flying right over the President’s residence. Even some CNN staffers saw it. To this day it has not been officially explained. (9/11 & Pentagon) CNN News, cited Flight 77: The White Plane

Some of the eyewitnesses reporting a white plane.

It was white with maroon writing on it. (9/11 & Pentagon) Mrs Hubbard, recorded interview Flight 77: The White Plane

You just sort of saw the white go by ... It was white. (9/11 & Pentagon) Veronica recorded interview, Flight 77: The White Plane

I could see the propellers, I could see the windows ... White. It was white ... It was a white plane. (9/11 & Pentagon) Cindy Reyes, interview Flight 77: The White Plane

More of a champagne ... like an off-white. (9/11 & Pentagon) Sergeant Chadwick Brooks, interview Flight 77: The White Plane

The Eyewitness I talked about he worked as a fireman in heliport near the blast area
The aeroplane appeared to be a Boeing 757 or an Airbus 330 - white with blue and orange stripes. (9/11 & Pentagon) Firefighter Alan Wallace, cited Flight 77: The White Plane

Turning road expecting to see a fighter jet flying over, he saw only a split-second glimpse of a white commercial airliner streaking low toward the building and him. (9/11 & Pentagon) Sergeant Maurice L Bease, recorded Major Fred H Allison, cited Flight 77: The White Plane

They saw the white plane and were puzzled that it was flying so low with no airport in that direction. (9/11 & Pentagon) Vera Goodson Stover, high school media library specialist, cited Flight 77:
The White Plane

All that careful planning... Bribing witnesses to claim things happened that didn't... planting false passports... switching off (non-existing) SAM sites...

And they forgot to buy some paint for the plane...

Also, according to the picture you posted and a quick image search, A3 warriors are not white. They seem to be grey, silver or camoed.
So I guess you have to exclude that explanation.

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

All that careful planning... Bribing witnesses to claim things happened that didn't... planting false passports... switching off (non-existing) SAM sites...

And they forgot to buy some paint for the plane...

Also, according to the picture you posted and a quick image search, A3 warriors are not white. They seem to be grey, silver or camoed.
So I guess you have to exclude that explanation.

Watch this it exposes the secret life of Mohammed Atta and talks with people who knew him in Florida prior to 9/11. You do not find the mainstream media going this deep asking hard questions, like this!

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King Mob

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Watch this it exposes the secret life of Mohammed Atta and talks with people who knew him in Florida prior to 9/11. You do not find the mainstream media going this deep asking hard questions, like this!

Does it explain why the evil conspiracy couldn't afford a coat of plane paint?

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

Does it explain why the evil conspiracy couldn't afford a coat of plane paint?

Alan Wallace a firefighter on duty at the Pentagon described the plane as being white in colour with American Airlines plane paint. The found the America Airlines painted wreckage!

The investigator in this video discovered Huffman aviation was a front company for the CIA and Atta was a very good friend of the owner. The official narrative he just went there for training lessons this exposes that to be a lie. Atta and white men regularly met in downstairs location in Huffman aviation. Atta girlfriend tells on this video. It important to know who was Atta before 9/11!

King Mob

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Alan Wallace a firefighter on duty at the Pentagon described the plane as being white in colour with American Airlines plane paint. The found the America Airlines painted wreckage!

Wait, so they painted it, only the wrong colour? Cause you said that American Airlines planes were silver and that witnesses seeing a white plane meant that it couldn't be an American Airlines plane.
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=106784158&postcount=220

So I guess the evil conspiracy painted it the wrong colour? Whoops.

So I like how that they went to the bother of painting the different plane so as to trick people.
But sill used a different plane cause I guess they didn't care if people noticed.

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

Wait, so they painted it, only the wrong colour? Cause you said that American Airlines planes were silver and that witnesses seeing a white plane meant that it couldn't be an American Airlines plane.
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=106784158&postcount=220

So I guess the evil conspiracy painted it the wrong colour? Whoops.

So I like how that they went to the bother of painting the different plane so as to trick people.
But sill used a different plane cause I guess they didn't care if people noticed.

Why don't you watch the video and learn something new about the so-called Terrorists? You will not get this on CNN or Fox News? As a skeptic you should be trying to learn everything you can about a subject you talk so much about?

The body is aluminium it can be painted white with American airlines colours that make appear to be that plane. The eyewitnesses reported seeing a white plane it not me saying that. If you watched the Pentagon security tape it's a white object that appears and then an explosion.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The body is aluminium it can be painted white with American airlines colours that make appear to be that plane. The eyewitnesses reported seeing a white plane it not me saying that. If you watched the Pentagon security tape it's a white object that appears and then an explosion.

But you said that American Airlines' colour was silver.
Now you're saying it's white.

Which is it?

If the conspirators did have the this astounding technology to paint an airplane a different colour, then they would obviously do so.
So pointing out what colour various eyewitnesses report doesn't really mean much of anything and it certainly wouldn't show that it wasn't an American Airlines plane or whatever it is you're claiming.

It also doesn't make sense for the conspirators to go to the effort of painting a different type of plane in the first place.
It's a contradiction.
On one hand, they don't care if someone notices the plane was wrong, on the other, they want to trick people so much they care about little details like paint.

If they wanted people to think it was a 757, then they would just use a 757.
There is no reason why they would not.

So, so far the conspiracy theory has been unraveled with basic counting, basic reading comprehension and now the ability to name colours...

So one of the witnesses says that the plane had propellers. An A3 doesn't have propellers. How do you square that circle in conspiracy world?

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

But you said that American Airlines' colour was silver.
Now you're saying it's white.

Which is it?

If the conspirators did have the this astounding technology to paint an airplane a different colour, then they would obviously do so.
So pointing out what colour various eyewitnesses report doesn't really mean much of anything and it certainly wouldn't show that it wasn't an American Airlines plane or whatever it is you're claiming.

It also doesn't make sense for the conspirators to go to the effort of painting a different type of plane in the first place.
It's a contradiction.
On one hand, they don't care if someone notices the plane was wrong, on the other, they want to trick people so much they care about little details like paint.

If they wanted people to think it was a 757, then they would just use a 757.
There is no reason why they would not.

The whole body of the plane is aluminium( silver) did you not know that? American Airlines logo is just painted on the aluminium.

Yes, it does matter because they are eyewitnesses to the event. Wallace was only 200 feet from the plane he saw the plane coming over the highway and come at the Pentagon, he barely escaped with his life. He was shielded by this Firehouse.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The whole body of the plane is aluminium( silver) did you not know that? American Airlines logo is just painted on the aluminium.

Yes, it does matter because they are eyewitnesses to the event.

Right. We're back to silver then. If it was an American Airlines plane, it has to be silver.

Ok, so then the conspirators went out of their way to paint the plane white which would make it look like it wasn't an American Airlines plane.

But then they also painted on American Airlines logos and stuff so it would look like an American Airlines plane.

That don't make sense.

If American Airlines planes were silver, why would they paint it white? Did they not have silver paint? Or was it that they didn't want to go to the effort of stripping paint?

Seems like it would be a lot less effort to just use a 757...

Chrongen

I've wondered things such as the motion of linearity.

Galileo formulated these equation and they are indisputable.


So if these 3 equations are immutable and indisputable in any study of Applied Mathematics then why are they being ignored.

Let's have a very quick look.

The first law of Galilean Linear motion is this:

v = u + at

That means that final velocity equals initial velocity plus the time multiplied by acceleration.


I'm pretty sure that many are just glazing over right now. That being the case then go up into a tree or on the top of your building and do this

Drop a stone or a ball or a water balloon. Time it from the time it is released until it hits the ground.

A few times will allow you to determine the exact height of the building using this equation:

s = ut + 1/2 at (squared)

If stand on the top of a building or a tree or a cliff and someone drops a coin or any object and you click your stopwatch from start to when it hits the ground then you can perfectly calculate the height that the object has fallen.

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

Right. We're back to silver then. If it was an American Airlines plane, it has to be silver.

Ok, so then the conspirators went out of their way to paint the plane white which would make it look like it wasn't an American Airlines plane.

But then they also painted on American Airlines logos and stuff so it would look like an American Airlines plane.

That don't make sense.

If American Airlines planes were silver, why would they paint it white? Did they not have silver paint? Or was it that they didn't want the to go to the effort of stripping paint?

Seems like it would be a lot less effort to just use a 757...

Well, if this happened this way they're going to use a plane that has commercial airliner parts. They don't need to paint all of the plane silver just enough of the plane painted with American airlines colours to convince people it was Flight 77.

What if 757 plane was not suitable? That's the whole truther argument, the 757 would have broken up, and Hani Hanjour was not experienced to guide the plane to the Pentagon?

What If the plane was carrying a bomb onboard when plane hit this exploded?. What if there was no flight 77 or it was taken somewhere else that day?

This plane was heading East and went off radar for 42 minutes, a switch could be made in that time frame.

Chrongen

I do have a point here

Sorry for the lecture:pac:

Cheerful Spring

Video from this camera would solve this mystery, but never got released, why not?

King Mob

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Well, if this happened this way they're going to use a plane that has commercial airliner parts. They don't need to paint all of the plane silver just enough of the plane painted with American airlines colours to convince people it was Flight 77.

Ah, so they are just lazy...

Again, it's a contradiction.
They can't want to convince people it's a 757 and then also don't care enough to paint the whole plane.
That makes zero sense.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

What if 757 plane was not suitable? That's the whole truther argument, the 757 would have broken up, and Hani Hanjour was not experienced to guide the plane to the Pentagon?

Assuming these things are true (they're not.)
So why not just make the plane fly on an easier path that it could do?

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

What If the plane was carrying a bomb onboard when plane hit this exploded?. What if there was no flight 77 or it was taken somewhere else that day?

Again, ignoring that no such thing happened, and flight 77 did exist and contained real people....

Why not just put a bomb on a 757?
Why would they need to put a bomb on it when it would only draw suspicion and make it look like it wasn't a plane crash.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

This plane was heading East and went off radar for 42 minutes, a switch could be made in that time frame.

Again, assuming this is true and possible...
Why not switch with a 757?

The entire idea is a contradition of motives for which you have to do backflips to get around.

And it leaves you with the idea that they only half painted an entirely different plane...
It's silly.

Chrongen

Chrongen wrote: »

I've wondered things such as the motion of linearity.

Galileo formulated these equation and they are indisputable.


So if these 3 equations are immutable and indisputable in any study of Applied Mathematics then why are they being ignored.

Let's have a very quick look.

The first law of Galilean Linear motion is this:

v = u + at

That means that final velocity equals initial velocity plus the time multiplied by acceleration.


I'm pretty sure that many are just glazing over right now. That being the case then go up into a tree or on the top of your building and do this

Drop a stone or a ball or a water balloon. Time it from the time it is released until it hits the ground.

A few times will allow you to determine the exact height of the building using this equation:

s = ut + 1/2 at (squared)

If stand on the top of a building or a tree or a cliff and someone drops a coin or any object and you click your stopwatch from start to when it hits the ground then you can perfectly calculate the height that the object has fallen.

Can we all agree on the Laws of Linear motion?
Very simple laws. even an idiot could test and verify them along with geometry and trigonometry. These mathematical principles are inviolate....yes?

So if something is moving from a starting velocity to a final speed with an acceleration then these equations of motion apply.

I would like to hear from anybody who would state that the laws of physics or linear motion do not apply in any circumstances.

The very simple question is "when motion is effect, without interference, can the laws of Galilean Motion otherwise not apply" ?

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

Ah, so they are just lazy...

Again, it's a contradiction.
They can't want to convince people it's a 757 and then also don't care enough to paint the whole plane.
That makes zero sense.

Right now the only explanations I have is they saw another plane that was White Flying around Washington (this is true a White plane was seen and spotted moments before the blast video of that) or they are just mistaken about this plane being clear white and is this colour?

This what Flight 77 looked like on the ground.