Lloyd England exposed was involved in 9/11 false flag event

Cheerful Spring

Lloyd England story was he was driving near the Pentagon and one pole knocked down by a plane hit the front of his taxi.On 9/11 his story was broadcast around the world and his importance for the government official narrative about 9/11 cannot be underestimated.

A video describing his story.

Unfortunately for the planners he let slip off camera this event was planned (staged) and came over the highway with the planners. We also now he was not in the near the area he said he was because we got video and photographs of this to prove it. He is the first guy exposed to be involved in the false flag. Many of the eyewitnesses at the Pentagon who talked on camera could also be staged actors involved in the plot?

Here is the video Lloyd got exposed.

Cheerful Spring

What even stranger his neighbour took the photographs of the cab and light pole. What a strange coincidence his neighbour would be standing on a bridge on 9/11 outside the Pentagon when his cab came by? Is the neighbour a handler for Lloyd?

Ipso

So how is Lloyd connected to the Saudis? And how does Northgate come into it.

Cheerful Spring

Ipso wrote: »

So how is Lloyd connected to the Saudis? And how does Northgate come into it.

A lot of people are involved in it.

Lloyd, when he thought nobody was recording, said we came across the highway together. You and their event? That's right. They must have planned that? It was planned!

The placement of the taxicab and poles were placed there

Ipso

Or they are full of sh1t!

Cheerful Spring

Ipso wrote: »

Or they are full of sh1t!

Why if his he telling the truth how mind-boggling is that they staged it? He was deemed trustworthy for the government to broadcast his story around the world. Why would anyone talk like this off camera he was involved in planning a staged event?

Cheerful Spring

I think that guy that showed up at his door was highly suspicious also when they were interviewing him. This guy was a neighbour, allegedly and somehow was in the same area when Lloyd claimed the pole hit his Taxi and had a camera on him to take pictures? That's highly weird and suspicious. The guy investigating asked this guy can I see some of your pictures and all he gave was one on disk at low resolution. We may never find out the truth, but there so many holes in 9/11 when there shouldn't be.

Cheerful Spring

There were 58 passengers on Flight on 77 only two people made calls allegedly, attempted to dial out. Why did 56 passengers not call their loved ones?

Cheerful Spring

And this not well-known fact among those who never researched 9/11 but Flight 77 plane disappeared off radar just after 8.50am. The plane could be gone anywhere after that. What people assume was flight 77 was picked up again in Washington by Dulles controllers just after 9.30am and seven minutes later a commercial plane was reported to have crashed at the Pentagon.

Cheerful Spring

None of the pilots sent a stress code they were hijacked either highly unusual. Where all the cockpit doors open they shouldn't be during a flight?

Harry Palmr

Cheerful Spring

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Nice reply can't deal with the facts?

Cheerful Spring

All 4 flight recorders claimed to be destroyed by the American government, but somehow they find a passport belonging to a hijacker unscathed on a street in New York? And nobody is asking how is that possible?

Dohnjoe

Bit of a coincidence they found the passport - and of one of the attackers, laying right there in the street. They also found tickets, bits of paper, seat covers.

As for this guy Lloyd England, this is a bunch of 911 truthers harassing an old man who clearly has trouble remembering he was even there (despite being pictured there)

Plenty of people saw a plane hit the Pentagon that day - do these guys focus on the one guy with the bad memory or do they equally interview everyone?

Why would they focus on one old man instead of interviewing everyone?

What could their motive possibly be

Cheerful Spring

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Bit of a coincidence they found the passport - and of one of the attackers, laying right there in the street. They also found tickets, bits of paper, seat covers.

As for this guy Lloyd England, this is a bunch of 911 truthers harassing an old man who clearly has trouble remembering he was even there (despite being pictured there)

Plenty of people saw a plane hit the Pentagon that day - do these guys focus on the one guy with the bad memory or do they equally interview everyone?

Why would they focus on one old man instead of interviewing everyone?

What could their motive possibly be

The found the passport 7 blocks away? It survived a fire in the plane exploding, an explosion in the building and magically travelled 7 blocks, to be found intact with no damage?

I think he is in the plot that's what he acts like he does not know anything, soon as the camera was not recording when he thought it was off he opened up about this was staged and planned.

Cheerful Spring

This is an FBI agent on video describing how they got the passport. I thought this was a joke when I first heard this but it's true.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The found the passport 7 blocks away? It survived a fire in the plane exploding, an explosion in the building and magically travelled 7 blocks, to be found intact with no damage?

Yup

Indeed 3 hijackers IDs survived partially or intact including that one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PENTTBOM#Passports_recovered

We don't know exactly where Satam al Suqami's password was found, but it was handed into an officer in the vicinity of West and Albany street according to the FBI report

One of the aircraft's paper itinerary was found by a stock broker in a stairwell in tower 1. Other ID's, wallets, cards, etc were found.

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The found the passport 7 blocks away? It survived a fire in the plane exploding, an explosion in the building and magically travelled 7 blocks, to be found intact with no damage?

I think he is in the plot that's what he acts like he does not know anything, soon as the camera was not recording when he thought it was off he opened up about this was staged and planned.

Could you detail the conspiracy explanation here?
Was he paid to say he saw a plane, or specifically that it knocked over the lamp post?
If so, to what end?

Do you believe that it wasn't a plane?
If so, are all people who say they saw a plane also in on it?

Cheerful Spring

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Yup

Indeed 3 hijackers IDs survived partially or intact including that one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PENTTBOM#Passports_recovered

We don't know exactly where Satam al Suqami's password was found, but it was handed into an officer in the vicinity of West and Albany street according to the FBI report

One of the aircraft's paper itinerary was found by a stock broker in a stairwell in tower 1. Other ID's, wallets, cards, etc were found.

Two towers collapsed, and hundreds and hundreds of people ran for their lives in panic, stuff like cards, wallets will be lost in that panic and found later on. I sure it not surprising even stuff would be found in the rubble later on.

Satam al Suqami's passport is claimed was found blocks away that's very strange. How did it survive the jet fuel and explosion of the plane, intact? If it was on his person or in a bag how did it escape the bag? His Passport even if magically bypassed the explosion and fire would have fallen near the vicinity of the towers. Passports don't have wings, it not travel that far.

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

Could you detail the conspiracy explanation here?
Was he paid to say he saw a plane, or specifically that it knocked over the lamp post?
If so, to what end?

Do you believe that it wasn't a plane?
If so, are all people who say they saw a plane also in on it?

We know construction was taking place at the side of the Pentagon, that got hit. So we know workmen would not be unusual sight and there could have been men there earlier who removed those poles earlier in the day without people noticing it. When the bombing took place the area was sealed off from incoming traffic so the planners could easily have manipulated the area. Then there is the question why did the weapon system the anti-air in Washington not engage the target? The authorities already knew because of the attacks in New York the planes were on a suicide mission. And we know for a fact this day the military was running exercises (which they denied for years) and guess what the exercise was about? I tell you they were testing their response to hijacked planes over America. Due to these exercises, jets were out of action and up in Alaska for exercises. So what coincidence that is the terrorists of all days picked the day America military could not act swiftly. This just the tip of the iceberg, and talk more later if needed.

Lloyd in my opinion when off camera was hinting this event was staged, but probably is afraid to talk about it he has a family to take care off.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Two towers collapsed, and hundreds and hundreds of people ran for their lives in panic, stuff like cards, wallets will be lost in that panic and found later on. I sure it not surprising even stuff would be found in the rubble later on.

it was reportedly found before the towers collapsed and handed in.

Satam al Suqami's passport is claimed was found blocks away that's very strange.

I just mentioned where it was handed in - in the vicinity of Albany street (it could have been found anywhere) Despite this, there is a photo of Albany street with debris all over the ground, including an intact seat cover (cant post now due to being in work)

How did it survive the jet fuel and explosion of the plane, intact? If it was on his person or in a bag how did it escape the bag? His Passport even if magically bypassed the explosion and fire would have fallen near the vicinity of the towers. Passports don't have wings, it not travel that far.

Some stuff survived, as mentioned the planes paper itinerary survived despite being made of.. paper

The other passport survived relatively intact after being plunged into the ground at 500 mph

No everything gets "insto-vapourized", material can be ejected intact and relatively intact

One officer described seeing luggage strewn all over the ground close to the twin towers (before the collapse)

Cheerful Spring

Why is it so hard to get direct questions answered around here...?

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Lloyd in my opinion when off camera was hinting this event was staged, but probably is afraid to talk about it he has a family to take care off.

Why would he be involved and why would he be needed?
Why did the conspirators need him to fake his testimony?

Do you believe that an actual plane crashed into the pentagon?

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Then there is the question why did the weapon system the anti-air in Washington not engage the target?

Just to confirm, you believe that any plane that got near the Pentagon would have been shot down, correct?

How close would a plane need to be before it was shot down?

Cheerful Spring

Dohnjoe wrote: »

it was reportedly found before the towers collapsed and handed in.



I just mentioned where it was handed in - in the vicinity of Albany street (it could have been found anywhere) Despite this, there is a photo of Albany street with debris all over the ground, including an intact seat cover (cant post now due to being in work)



Some stuff survived, as mentioned the planes paper itinerary survived despite being made of.. paper

The other passport survived relatively intact after being plunged into the ground at 500 mph

No everything gets "insto-vapourized", material can be ejected intact and relatively intact

One officer described seeing luggage strewn all over the ground close to the twin towers (before the collapse)

Password was said to be found in Vesey Street. Even stranger the guy who found has disappeared. So we have no way to verify the chain of custody.

It defies logic a passport would survive intact like that on impact. The shell of the plane would be gone with explosion and fire. This may make sense to you logically it doesn't for me in any way.

You relying on stuff you read online. When people questioned these reports, later on, they found inconsistencies in the reporting, their statements were manipulated to it make seem this is what took place and what they saw.

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

Why is it so hard to get direct questions answered around here...?

Why would he be involved and why would he be needed?
Why did the conspirators need him to fake his testimony?

Do you believe that an actual plane crashed into the pentagon?


Just to confirm, you believe that any plane that got near the Pentagon would have been shot down, correct?

How close would a plane need to be before it was shot down?

I will address some of your questions, later on, have to go offline for a bit. Yes, I believe a plane crashed and I will show you the plane I believe it was later on. The parts found in the Pentagon match this plane and this plane could easily be misconstructed as a jet airliner.

martingriff

There was a thread on this forum that you never see 9/11 threads anymore as the government were making up conspiracy theories to stop them. All of a sudden a 9/11 conspiracy theory thread. Now that's a conspiracy

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I will address some of your questions, later on, have to go offline for a bit.

Why only some?
Not going to hold my breath on that one...

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Yes, I believe a plane crashed and I will show you the plane I believe it was later on.

No thanks, I would prefer to stay on the actual topic and see why this random person was involved in this conspiracy for seemingly no reason.

Also, again, could you explain how close a plane could have gotten to the Pentagon before being shot down.
5 miles? 2? 1?
Cause I don't think you understand how silly your claim is...

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Password was said to be found in Vesey Street.

Incorrect. It was handed to the officer in that vicinity - we don't know where it was found.

It defies logic a passport would survive intact like that on impact. The shell of the plane would be gone with explosion and fire. This may make sense to you logically it doesn't for me in any way.

Personal incredulity

Other perishable items also survived. Flight 93 plunged into the ground at hundreds of mph into a large fireball.. yet items survived. In fact, having watched a lot of aircraft investigations on TV over the years, it's clearly not impossible for material to be ejected and survive during heavy impacts

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You relying on stuff you read online. When people questioned these reports, later on, they found inconsistencies in the reporting, their statements were manipulated to it make seem this is what took place and what they saw.

This need to be addressed on it's own. We rely on hundreds/thousands of pieces of information, from witnesses, firefighter testimony, air traffic control reports, physical evidence, expert testimony, footage, multiple investigations, wreckage, intelligence, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc to piece together what happened

In my experience, conspiracy theorists selectively ignore ALL of that, straight off the bat believe there is an unspecified conspiracy (unsurprisingly) and work backwards from there to highlight anything that can't be explained, coincidences, "discrepancies", misunderstanding, pseudo science, etc, etc - anything that can DISCREDIT the established version of events in order to promote their often unspecified conspiracy

e.g. If 99 people out of a hundred report seeing some of type plane hit a building, rationale dictates that points towards a plane hitting the building. If one out of that hundred report seeing something else, conspiracy theorists latch onto that

In my experience with this event, self professed truthers have also demonstrated that they will wilfully distort info, selectively crop photos, repeatedly use personal incredulity, manipulate information, act unreasonably, engage in pseudo-science, etc, etc all tricks and techniques to again, discredit the established version of events

So when a passport is found and handed into an officer in the vincinity of Albany street who then writes up a later report detailing this. And that passport later turns out to be one of the hijackers identified from countless other means and evidence. Then that is one piece of information among thousands that works to build the case.

Dohnjoe

Dohnjoe wrote: »

So when a passport is found and handed into an officer in the vincinity of Albany street who then writes up a later report detailing this. And that passport later turns out to be one of the hijackers identified from countless other means and evidence. Then that is one piece of information among thousands that works to build the case.

It also begs the question of why the conspirators would go to the effort of faking something like this in the first place when it's 1) so inconsequential and 2) it's apparently a complete give away to the whole plot.

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

Why only some?
Not going to hold my breath on that one...

No thanks, I would prefer to stay on the actual topic and see why this random person was involved in this conspiracy for seemingly no reason.

Also, again, could you explain how close a plane could have gotten to the Pentagon before being shot down.
5 miles? 2? 1?
Cause I don't think you understand how silly your claim is...

I start with Lloyd England. Why was he used? The media would not doubt his story it was convincing. A man minding his own business earning a living as a taxi driver caught up in a big event! Why would he lie about a plane knocking down poles, and striking his taxi cab near the Pentagon on 9/11?

The 9/11 commision report placed Flight 77 in a southward direction. Floyd car in the Southward direction would further back up that claim.

You can't blame truthers for this they never forced Lloyd to reveal this he let out himself when he thought, off camera, and spoke freely.

Lloyd is talking to the investigator. This is too big for me this for men with money this is their thing? They used you right ( men with money and power used him?) Lloyd said I'm in it!

Then he looks at the investigator Lloyd said we came across the highway together ( Who's he referring to? The same people with money and power?

You and their event. That's right. ( Same people with money and power?) It must have been planned (whats planned?) it was planned!

Washington is a no-fly zone around the Pentagon. We know the plane was tracked 50 miles out from the Pentagon heading in that direction. A plane on a suicide mission is going to take lives on the ground, either way, they plenty of time to order a missile to engage before it hit the Pentagon. The plane even circled around the Pentagon to come around so they had time to engage it.

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I start with Lloyd England. Why was he used? The media would not doubt his story it was convincing. A man minding his own business earning a living as a taxi driver caught up in a big event! Why would he lie about a plane knocking down poles, and striking his taxi cab near the Pentagon on 9/11?

The 9/11 commision report placed Flight 77 in a southward direction. Floyd car in the Southward direction would further back up that claim.

So why would they need him to say that?
Did the plane not knock down poles?
Was the plane not coming from the direction claimed in the official story?

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Washington is a no-fly zone around the Pentagon. We know the plane was tracked 50 miles out from the Pentagon heading in that direction. A plane on a suicide mission is going to take lives on the ground, either way, they plenty of time to order a missile to engage before it hit the Pentagon. The plane even circled around the Pentagon to come around so they had time to engage it.

So exactly how large is the no fly zone around the Pentagon and how long would it take a plane to be shot down?

Cheerful Spring

Dohnjoe wrote: »

This need to be addressed on it's own. We rely on hundreds/thousands of pieces of information, from witnesses, firefighter testimony, air traffic control reports, physical evidence, expert testimony, footage, multiple investigations, wreckage, intelligence, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc to piece together what happened

In my experience, conspiracy theorists selectively ignore ALL of that, straight off the bat believe there is an unspecified conspiracy (unsurprisingly) and work backwards from there to highlight anything that can't be explained, coincidences, "discrepancies", misunderstanding, pseudo science, etc, etc - anything that can DISCREDIT the established version of events in order to promote their often unspecified conspiracy

e.g. If 99 people out of a hundred report seeing some of type plane hit a building, rationale dictates that points towards a plane hitting the building. If one out of that hundred report seeing something else, conspiracy theorists latch onto that

In my experience with this event, self professed truthers have also demonstrated that they will wilfully distort info, selectively crop photos, repeatedly use personal incredulity, manipulate information, act unreasonably, engage in pseudo-science, etc, etc all tricks and techniques to again, discredit the established version of events

So when a passport is found and handed into an officer in the vincinity of Albany street who then writes up a later report detailing this. And that passport later turns out to be one of the hijackers identified from countless other means and evidence. Then that is one piece of information among thousands that works to build the case.

None of those people you talk about is involved in the plot they are just bystanders to a major event on the day.

Flight 77 left the airport at 8.20am and did not crash till 9.37 ( government version) That over a 1 hour 17 minutes. What was the delay caused by?

Flight 11 8.00 am left the airport and crashed at 8.46am 46 minutes
Flight 175 8.14 left airport crashed at 9.01am roughly same time (strange coincidence?)

Regarding the passport. It was handed to a detective and how did this man who found the passport know he was a police officer? The man ran off without being questioned so we cannot verify who he was and how he found the passport. Police claim it was most likely found on Vesey Street.

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

So why would they need him to say that?
Did the plane not knock down poles?
Was the plane not coming from the direction claimed in the official story?


So exactly how large is the no fly zone around the Pentagon and how long would it take a plane to be shot down?

I told you the plane circled the Pentagon (government version) and came in low in a southward direction. It knocked down poles on that side (southward) if the plane came in a north direction ( speculated based on eyewitnesses accounts) those poles would not have got knocked down by a plane.

Not long I believe their SAMs at the Pentagon, to shoot down targets.

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I told you the plane circled the Pentagon (government version) and came in low in a southward direction. It knocked down poles on that side (southward) if the plane came in a north direction ( speculated based on eyewitnesses accounts) those poles would not have got knocked down by a plane.

Why did they want to make people believe the plane came from a different direction from where it did?

Why have only one random taxi driver as a witness when everyone else would be telling a different story?

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Not long I believe their SAMs at the Pentagon, to shoot down targets.

Again, I am asking you a direct simple question and you are ignoring it.
How big is the no fly zone around the pentagon?
1 mile?
2 miles?
10 miles?

If you do not know, please say so.

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

Why did they want to make people believe the plane came from a different direction from where it did?

Why have only one random taxi driver as a witness when everyone else would be telling a different story?

Again, I am asking you a direct simple question and you are ignoring it.
How big is the no fly zone around the pentagon?
1 mile?
2 miles?
10 miles?

If you do not know, please say so.

I don't know if the government is right, but multiple witnesses place the plane coming in from a northern direction, that why truthers question the flight path of flight 77.

We don't know the true involvement of Lloyd England how deep it goes. This could be a pre-arranged setup he had with them before the attacks? What he said off camera is highly suspicious though that he was used by men with money to plan something that day!

I don't know me is not in the American military. What we do know is sensitive sites around Washington are protected by no-fly zones for unauthorised planes.

Cheerful Spring

When on walls clocks were removed from the Pentagon debris. Three clocks had stopped at 9.31 am exactly. The government said the attack took place at 9.37am. This is just another weird inconsistency that may not mean much, but also could be evidence of when the real attack took place?

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I don't know if the government is right, but multiple witnesses place the plane coming in from a northern direction, that why truthers question the flight path of flight 77.

No such witnesses exist.

It makes zero sense for the government to try to lie about the direction the plane came from. There's no benefit to doing so and there is no way they could make it convincing.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

We don't know the true involvement of Lloyd England how deep it goes. This could be a pre-arranged setup he had with them before the attacks? What he said off camera is highly suspicious though that he was used by men with money to plan something that day!

But you cannot explain why he would be involved at all. You cannot provide a reason why the government would need him to lie. The conspiracy doesn't make any sense if he is lying, as you cannot explain why they would be doing this.

So why should anyone think he's part of the conspiracy?

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I don't know me is not in the American military. What we do know is sensitive sites around Washington are protected by no-fly zones for unauthorised planes.

You don't know how big the no fly zones are, but you are sure they exist? That's a bit suspicious.
I think you are telling fibs.

Where are you getting your information about these no fly zones?
How do you know that there were missile batteries on the Pentagon on 9/11?
Is this airport in the no fly zone? http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/flyover%20movie/042.jpg

If so, where are all the reports of the planes getting shot down when they try to use that one runway that puts them over the Pentagon?

Cheerful Spring

Then there is the problem why 8 pilots (co-pilots) never radioed into FAA or closest monitoring station the hijack of their plane. Is like the communications were cut to respond? A distress code only takes a minute to punch in.

Ipso

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

When on walls clocks were removed from the Pentagon debris. Three clocks had stopped at 9.31 am exactly. The government said the attack took place at 9.37am. This is just another weird inconsistency that may not mean much, but also could be evidence of when the real attack took place?

Did Lloyd England change them?
I don't believe anything you or other troofers say, as said above the mount of lies, nonsense and selective evidence that is offered up is unbelievable.
I'd pity conspiracy theorists if they weren't so repugnant.

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Then there is the problem why 8 pilots (co-pilots) never radioed into FAA or closest monitoring station the hijack of their plane. Is like the communications were cut to respond? A distress code only takes a minute to punch in.

You see, you keep throwing out these factoids as if they were gospel truth, but when we try to pin you down and examine the very first one you threw out, it falls apart.

This is true for all of the random claims you are regurgitating from youtube.

A pile of untrue things doesn't magically becoming true if you make the pile big enough.

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

No such witnesses exist.

It makes zero sense for the government to try to lie about the direction the plane came from. There's no benefit to doing so and there is no way they could make it convincing.


But you cannot explain why he would be involved at all. You cannot provide a reason why the government would need him to lie. The conspiracy doesn't make any sense if he is lying, as you cannot explain why they would be doing this.

So why should anyone think he's part of the conspiracy?

You don't know how big the no fly zones are, but you are sure they exist? That's a bit suspicious.
I think you are telling fibs.

Where are you getting your information about these no fly zones?
How do you know that there were missile batteries on the Pentagon on 9/11?
Is this airport in the no fly zone? http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/flyover%20movie/042.jpg

If so, where are all the reports of the planes getting shot down when they try to use that one runway that puts them over the Pentagon?

It obvious you never researched 9/11 if you think no eyewitnesses exist their plenty video online if you looked. Obviously, you have not researched the other side version by coming out with a statement like that.

I have given you enough evidence already if you don't want take it onboard that's on you.

Cheerful Spring

Ipso wrote: »

Did Lloyd England change them?
I don't believe anything you or other troofers say, as said above the mount of lies, nonsense and selective evidence that is offered up is unbelievable.
I'd pity conspiracy theorists if they weren't so repugnant.

Lol you guys are hilarious when Lloyd is not a truther his story used by the American government to back up their claims.

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

You see, you keep throwing out these factoids as if they were gospel truth, but when we try to pin you down and examine the very first one you threw out, it falls apart.

This is true for all of the random claims you are regurgitating from youtube.

A pile of untrue things doesn't magically becoming true if you make the pile big enough.

Tell me what your version what stopped the pilots from communicating a distress call?

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

It obvious you never researched 9/11 if you think no eyewitnesses exist their plenty video online if you looked. Obviously, to you have not researched the other side version by coming out with a statement like that.

I have given you enough evidence already if you don't want it onboard thats on you.

I have researched this topic.

If such witnesses exist, show them. Please provide their names and what they said and a link to a reliable source for these things.
A 4 hour long Youtube video is not going to be worth my time.

You have not given enough evidence as you are making unfounded and untrue claims and you are ignoring difficult questions.

For example, you have claimed that the pentagon had a missile battery that would shoot down planes that entered it's no fly zone.

This however is not true.

The pentagon never had any such thing as there is an airport literally across the road.

So, can you provide any support for the idea of this missile battery being there on 9/11?
If not, why do you believe there was one?

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

I have researched this topic.

If such witnesses exist, show them. Please provide their names and what they said and a link to a reliable source for these things.
A 4 hour long Youtube video is not going to be worth my time.

You have not given enough evidence as you are making unfounded and untrue claims and you are ignoring difficult questions.

For example, you have claimed that the pentagon had a missile battery that would shoot down planes that entered it's no fly zone.

This however is not true.

The pentagon never had any such thing as there is an airport literally across the road.

So, can you provide any support for the idea of this missile battery being there on 9/11?
If not, why do you believe there was one?

Rubbish if you had you would not have said what you did you be informed to know what both sides have said on this topic. Look up Craig Ranke you find his videos through him talking to eyewitnesses.

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Tell me what your version what stopped the pilots from communicating a distress call?

You're making the claim, you have to support it.

What codes are you referring to?
How do you know that they exist? How do you know how they work and how long they take?

How do you know for a fact that they people involved had the time and opportunity to do so?

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

You're making the claim, you have to support it.

What codes are you referring to?
How do you know that they exist? How do you know how they work and how long they take?

How do you know for a fact that they people involved had the time and opportunity to do so?

All you do is asking questions, you never explain what you think happened, this a sign of a person trying to deflect.

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Rubbish if you had you would not have said what you did you be informed to know what both sides have said on this topic. Look up Craig Ranke you find his videos through him talking to eyewitnesses.

I stand by my assertion.
Again, you are providing no references beyond a long winded youtube video and you are dodging questions you cannot answer.

You do not know whether the pentagon ever had any missile batteries.
You either dreamt that up, or you are repeating what you were told in youtube videos and then never bothered to check.

Every claim you have made will have a similar origin I think...

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

All you do is asking questions, you never explain what you think happened, this a sign of a person trying to deflect.

No, I'm just trying to see if any of the claims made by conspiracy theorists make sense and stand up to a basic level of questioning and scrutiny.

They rarely do and yours definitely do not.
My questions just kinda highlight that.

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

I stand by my assertion.
Again, you are providing no references beyond a long winded youtube video and you are dodging questions you cannot answer.

You do not know whether the pentagon ever had any missile batteries.
You either dreamt that up, or you are repeating what you were told in youtube videos and then never bothered to check.

Every claim you have made will have a similar origin I think...

I not going to talk with you till you tell me what stopped the pilot and co-pilot sending a message or radioing to the FAA. Why did they not follow their training on this? How did Hijackers open a closed cockpit door in flight? Answer these we can talk!

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Why did they not follow their training on this? How did Hijackers open a closed cockpit door in flight? Answer these we can talk!

First, please provide some kind of source that this was their training. I simply don't believe you are telling the truth here.

I don't think this was their training and it is a case like your claim about the missile batteries at the pentagon.
I think that you have either dreamt up what you think their training should have been, or your are regurgitating what you have been told to believe from youtube videos.
If this is not the case, please provide something to support your claim.

I think that in reality, their training is different from what you think it is, and/or it's harder to send such a signal than you think it is, and/or such codes didn't or don't exist, and/or circumstances in the moment prevented them from doing so. Probably all of the above.
Again, the conspiracy does not make any sense here either. If what you claimed was true, then it would be a trivial matter for the conspirators to either fake a distress signal when it suited them, or altered the records to make it appear that one went out.

As for the doors:
Before 9/11, it was common practice to leave doors open to the cockpit:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bulletproof-cockpit-doors-a-reality/

I find it ironic for you to moan and demand I answer your questions after you've ignored so many of mine.

Do you still stand by your claim about missile batteries at the pentagon?