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Recommend alternative to Triton T90sr and Mira QT elite showers?

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    #122
    Damoedge
    Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭Damoedge


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Here's my advice based on all the information you gave us. Get a REC in ASAP to test everything properly. The problem could be coming into the house as the triton engineer thought or it could be localised to the pull cord switch or the cable behind the shower. The plumber might have damaged it without knowing. This would explain why it only shows up after the installation. Something is not right and it doesn't seem to be the shower.

    I wouldn't use the shower in the meantime. If you do change the shower I strongly suggest getting a REC to replace it as he will test everything correctly and issue you with a certificate. The plumber didn't test it when he installed it and it's unlikely he'll learn how in the meantime.

    As far as I know the plumber only had to make 2 new holes for the new shower and they were to the right of the cable hole and to be honest I don't think it was that...but I do get ya about a plumber testing everything in a new shower as they can't with the electrics....but fair play to him the plumber when he installed it he did notice that the water pressure was a little weak as he put it..."but see how ye get on with it and try it out"....feck did we get on with it alright....lol lol lol

    Well I do hope that this thread will be helpful to someone...I gave all the information on here as accurately as I could and some based on memory too....

    Thanks lads for all your input help and support on this....this is what it's all about and I know we didn't get to the root cause of it but hey that's life......sure we will wait until we install the new shower and I'll give an update here....that should be interesting ;);)

    Thanks again y'all
    D


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    #123
    John.G
    Registered Users Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭John.G


    Wearb wrote: »
    That is producing quite a lot of heat somewhere and as we know that voltage drop will only get worse as the temperature increases resistance.

    OP Do you have an IR thermometer that you could point around at the rcbo, isolation switch and random parts of the supply cable (don't hold it too far from the measuring point, or you will be measuring outside target area).

    I also wonder if you have a large voltage drop in socket circuits when shower is running. That might indicate a problem with your mains supply and not limited to your shower supply.

    Theoretically, with a 14V drop and a circuit load of 36.4 amps the resistance would be 0.385 ohms (14/36.4) and the heat (power) generated would be (36.4*36.4*0.385), 510 watts, a nice little heating element if dissipated over a very short length,


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    #124
    Sleeper12
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    Great teamwork this weekend. :)


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    #125
    Damoedge
    Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭Damoedge


    John.G wrote: »
    Theoretically, with a 14V drop and a circuit load of 36.4 amps the resistance would be 0.385 ohms (14/36.4) and the heat (power) generated would be (36.4*36.4*0.385), 510 watts, a nice little heating element if dissipated over a very short length,


    That voltage drop/reading was at the highest temperature setting...and it fluctuated a lot and that was the highest fluctuation as far as I remember...but in all fairness a 9kw element going full blast...as the lad would say...she's gonna burn some volts like...lol...isn't that what volts do when you use a high drawing machine....they...drop .... ;)


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    #126
    Damoedge
    Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭Damoedge


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Great teamwork this weekend. :)


    I learned a few thingys anyways sleeper and thanks lads for that ;)


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    #127
    John.G
    Registered Users Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭John.G


    Damoedge wrote: »
    I learned a few thingys anyways sleeper and thanks lads for that ;)

    Its no wonder we couldnt figure out what as wrong with it!.


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    #128
    Damoedge
    Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭Damoedge


    John.G wrote: »
    Its no wonder we couldnt figure out what as wrong with it!.


    Lol lol lol...nice one lol lol


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    #129
    Damoedge
    Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭Damoedge


    Well lads and ladies I have big news for you...new shower installed....


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    #130
    John.G
    Registered Users Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭John.G


    Damoedge wrote: »
    Well lads and ladies I have big news for you...new shower installed....

    and??


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    #131
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 16,971 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Damoedge wrote:
    Well lads and ladies I have big news for you...new shower installed....


    What shower did you go for in the end?


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    #132
    Damoedge
    Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭Damoedge


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    What shower did you go for in the end?

    Hi all,

    I hadn't much choice as the parents did not want to get another Triton after what happened and they wanted one straight away...so...I had to get the Mira elite QT ! I know yea..there have been reports of it being problematic in all but I'm willing to take the chance but sure I had no choice really....but I have to say fair play to the main in the hardware store he said straight away that he had heard there was problems with it but they seemed to have ironed them out now...so fingers crossed we will have no problems...our old shower was a Mira and that lasted years 15 I think! And was still working before taking it down!

    So our plumber installed the water works and our cousin an electrician wired her up...yea we did it right this time...lol lol...both of them said about the Triton that it must not be rating that it was stated to be...

    When we first turned on the new Mira I knew straight away that it was working prefect...get this....temp knob at about 1 o clock and and power selector at ii and it is just Perfect ! Any higher on the temp knob and it will scald ya....the water pressure is great and last night I did the test.....

    The test....1 min...3.1 liters ! That's some difference to 1. fing 9 ! I did the test 3 times and got the same result...even turning the shower head upside down and there's a great rise of water from the head! The real test was taking a shower in it of course....and it was lovely lads...I tell ya you notice the difference big time between a good shower and a crap one ! The parents are happy out too :)

    I'll say again I have nothing against Triton at all...for me and my opinion is this...it was just a bad shower that got past quality control! Someone's fault somewhere along the line...but....my parents and I were just unhappy with the way they and their engineer handled the situation....the day the engineer came out if he had replaced it with another shower and it worked grand we would have been happy...but no he blamed the voltage in the house...I suppose thinking about that..what else could be blame if not the shower itself??? Voltage my a..

    So lads...what do you all think of this now? Another new shower with the same rating and specs? Working as it should? Working perfect! ? Your thoughts will be interesting!

    Thanks again for all your help and advice :)

    A new happy Mira customer :)


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    #133
    John.G
    Registered Users Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭John.G


    "So our plumber installed the water works and our cousin an electrician wired her up...yea we did it right this time...lol lol...both of them said about the Triton that it must not be rating that it was stated to be..."

    The rating IMO was fine, it just wasnt operating at full power, just on the one element I would think.


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    #134
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 16,971 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Damoedge wrote:
    A new happy Mira customer


    On a positive note there are some mira elite qt showers that don't give any trouble. Fingers crossed you have one of them


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    #135
    SheroP
    Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭SheroP


    Hi there
    Apologies if this is off topic
    Looking for assustance with diagnosis of problem
    Have a mira elite 2 approx 12 years old
    Installed in holida home in wexford. Used infrequently and in hard water area though water softner fitted
    Lately when turned on the temperature constantly fluctuates between v hot and v cold , dial down and low flow ligjt illuminated
    Removed grit from filter and cleared shower head
    Is unit goosed, replace, repair or service ??
    Thanks in advance


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    #136
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 16,971 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Clean the filter with an old tooth brush. I usually put my lips up tight to it & blow into it.


    Check that the hose is clear. Sometimes the rubber inside the hose can perish & cause a blockage.

    Take the shower head off & run the shower without the shower head. If you can regulate the temperature then the issue is with the shower head.

    If none of the above works and assuming you have adequate water entering the shower then you are most likely looking at replacing the shower. A new motor costs around 130 plus installation. A new flow control valve is close to 100 plus installation. A new element is over 100 plus installation.

    The only part worth replacing is the brushes in the motor. I'm assuming that it isn't the brushes as I wouldn't think the shower would have had enough use over the years as it's a holiday home.


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    #137
    SheroP
    Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭SheroP


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Clean the filter with an old tooth brush. I usually put my lips up tight to it & blow into it.


    Check that the hose is clear. Sometimes the rubber inside the hose can perish & cause a blockage.

    Take the shower head off & run the shower without the shower head. If you can regulate the temperature then the issue is with the shower head.

    If none of the above works and assuming you have adequate water entering the shower then you are most likely looking at replacing the shower. A new motor costs around 130 plus installation. A new flow control valve is close to 100 plus installation. A new element is over 100 plus installation.

    The only part worth replacing is the brushes in the motor. I'm assuming that it isn't the brushes as I wouldn't think the shower would have had enough use over the years as it's a holiday home.

    That’s great
    Thanks for advice
    I’ll go through the steps again
    I’ll let you know how I get on


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    #138
    margoth
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭margoth



    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/106725245#Comment_106725245

    This info re Triton models is really useful, as I've been checking out this thread & others in an attempt to decide what to do about replacing a Mira EliteQT 9.8kW, which is needing repair after 2yrs 5mths. I'm really interested in positive reviews & comments about the Triton T90SR, but I'm in Cardiff & wondered if you could advise re my best option over here / re possible advantages of going for either of these 2 showers as an alternative, i.e. the only Triton electric shower models that Triton UK say their engineers can supply & fit here (for gravity fed system in low water pressure area):

    T80si pumped https://www.tritonshowers.co.uk/showers-taps/electric-showers/t80si-pumped-electric-shower or Safeguard Care pumped https://www.tritonshowers.co.uk/showers-taps/electric-showers/safeguard-care-pumped-thermostatic-shower

    I'm not prepared to pay £170 odd which is what repair to the Mira Elite would be (especially after reading threads about how bad this model is), but Mira have offered to supply & fit an EliteSE for £339

    [I have found a UK supplier for delivery of a T90SR (as eg Woodies don't deliver outside of Ireland) ... but then I'm not confident of finding someone reliable to install, if it's not a familiar model to them]

    I'm really keen to replace with a shower that's going to be reliable and last well, so not keen to go for the EliteSE ... hoping you can provide some advice, please



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    #139
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 16,971 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    The safeguard is really designed for nursing homes and hospitals. Anyone I've seen install one in their disabled bathroom ends up replacing it with a Triton t90sr when it breaks. Nothing wrong with this model but it's not cheap to repair.


    The T90si is known as the T900pi here in Ireland. It's been on the market a long time. Doesn't have a silent motor but nothing wrong with the build quality.


    The Triton T90sr silent shower is almost identical to the Triton T90xr that you have in the UK. Anyone able to install the t90xr will be able to install the T90sr. The problem is since Brexit no one wants the hassle of shipping to mainland UK.



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    #140
    margoth
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭margoth


    I'll try to find someone to fit the T90SR as I think I've found one I can get delivered (Triton uk website tells me the xr is obsolete ... was that not a silent motor either?) ... is it likely to be a big job switching from Mira EliteQT? (wall behind sho)wer unit is completely tiled)

    ... I do wish those that voted leave would be honest enough to acknowledge the harm being done

    Did you mean "The T90si T80si is known as the T900pi here in Ireland"

    Yes, thanks for confirmation re safeguard ... I didn't think it was necessary ... thanks loads for the quick response

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    #141
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 16,971 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Triton t80si is a confusing one our triton t80si shower in Ireland was a mains fed shower. Totally obsolete now. In the UK a Triton t80si is a pumped electric shower. It's portrait shaped like a mira. In Ireland they are called t900pi.


    Mira elite qt plumbing & electrics are in the same area as the triton t90sr. It's a very simple replacement going from the mira to the triton. Less than 30 minutes work swapping the showers.



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    #142
    margoth
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭margoth


    very frustrating ... looks like I'm gonna have to give up ideas of switching from the Mira Elite QT 9.8kW to the Triton T90sr 9kW

    I've sourced a new T90sr for delivery but am struggling to find anyone reliable for installation (I don't think many are very familiar with fitting electric pumped showers around Cardiff🤔 ... maybe) ... anyone know someone local to me, by any faint chance ... or is there an equivalent discussion board over here?

    I've tried to get Triton uk (who supply & install) to arrange fitting by one of their engineers and they've just confirmed (from the pics I sent after taking the Mira cover off, showing water & electric feed-in) that it would be straightforward to install ...

    but that they can't do it, as the different kW rating (9.8 to 9) would require some change (??) to the electrical supply and therefore an engineer with part P registration, which their engineers don't have

    tearing my hair out

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    #143
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 16,971 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    They are the exact same KW.

    9.8KW at 240 volt in the UK = 9KW At 230 volt here in Ireland. Mira sell showers here & their 9.8KW is 9KW at 230 volt. Put a 9KW from Ireland rated at 230 volt into a home in the UK with 240 volt & it's a 9.8kw shower

    A regular plumber should be able to install the T90SR in less than 30 minutes. Some electricians will install it too but not too many



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