Chemical weapon used on civilians in Syria + Airstrikes

Cheerful Spring · 13-04-2018 4:51pm

Gatling wrote: »

Claimed by someone body who Russia just found apparently .

Bs

Actually, no the medical professional guy was present in the video released by the White Helmets. So we know this, not some guy Russia just found.

Elmer Blooker · 13-04-2018 4:51pm

cnocbui wrote: »

Actually, the article states that the suspicion is that the rebels used sarin against government troops, not civilians or rebels. It also says there is no proof.

If they get proof the rebels did use Sarin then they deserve clobbering.

Do you find it difficult to type out the words, "Jaysh al-Islam"

Dohnjoe · 13-04-2018 4:56pm

mcmoustache wrote: »

Nevermind that. The current line from the kremlin is appears to be that there was no chemical attack.

Yeah it's deliberately vague, I can't figure out exactly what Lavrov is suggesting

That the event is staged by one country? the footage from the scenes and blood/urine samples taken from victims leave very little doubt there was a chemical attack

Why don't they go with the old faithful - that the rebels carried out the attack? far easier conspiracy to suggest

Gatling · 13-04-2018 4:57pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Actually,

Of course it's all faked

Unfortunately we know it's not true

Cheerful Spring · 13-04-2018 4:57pm

According to Kurdish media, rebel group Jaysh Al-islam used chemical weapons against Kurdish YPG forces near Aleppo back in April 2016.

Jaysh Al-Islam leaders didn’t deny the incident, saying one of its field commanders used the weapons without approval.

The same group recently accused President Bashar Al-Assad of using poison gas, against civilian population in the city of Douma.

cnocbui · 13-04-2018 4:58pm

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Do you find it difficult to type out the words, "Jaysh al-Islam"

Yes. It contains significantly more characters and isn't mentioned in the article.

Gatling · 13-04-2018 5:02pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The same group recently accused President Bashar Al-Assad of using poison gas, against civilian population in the city of Douma.

But we already know assad has used chemical weapons multiple times on Syrians .
But but but ,
It's doesn't matter how much people try to deflect disrupt or lie .

Cheerful Spring · 13-04-2018 5:03pm

Gatling wrote: »

Of course it's all faked

Unfortunately we know it's not true

You, people, are unbelievable. Russia provides evidence of a staged event but it not enough.

ArchXStanton · 13-04-2018 5:06pm

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Do you find it difficult to type out the words, "Jaysh al-Islam"

"Moderate rebels"....who just happened to have commited some heinous acts...

Gatling · 13-04-2018 5:06pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You, people, are unbelievable. Russia provides evidence of a staged event but it not enough.

Russia provided yeah and russia said this and russia denied this and russia blocked every investigation ,

Is russia lying -yes

Gatling · 13-04-2018 5:09pm

Russia are now Claiming they have proof the UK framed them by carrying out and supporting the false chemical weapons attack.

Can russia not stick to one single claim rather than 50 conspiracy theories

Cheerful Spring · 13-04-2018 5:09pm

Gatling wrote: »

Russia provided yeah and russia said this and russia denied this and russia blocked every investigation ,

Is russia lying -yes

International monitors from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), have gone to Syria to investigate, so why are you saying they are blocking an investigation?

Gatling · 13-04-2018 5:11pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

International monitors from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), have gone to Syria to investigate,

They did already block not one ,not two ,not three but twelve investigations so far this is all a delaying game for putin ,

ChikiChiki · 13-04-2018 5:11pm

Gatling wrote: »

Russia are now Claiming they have proof the UK framed them by carrying out and supporting the false chemical weapons attack.

Can russia not stick to one single claim rather than 50 conspiracy theories

That would be great but i doubt it. Would be good for the world to see the US caught out at their shenanigans all the same.

Cheerful Spring · 13-04-2018 5:15pm

Gatling wrote: »

They did already block not one ,not two ,not three but "twelve" investigations so far this is all a delaying game for putin ,

OPCW is not a Russian or Syrian investigation. OPCW HAS 192 member countries.

Gatling · 13-04-2018 5:16pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

OPCW is not a Russian or Syrian investigation. OPCW HAS 192 member countries.

Which Russia lied to aswell didn't they

Cheerful Spring · 13-04-2018 5:18pm

Gatling wrote: »

Which Russia lied to aswell didn't they

Stop talking ****. OPCW will disagree with Russia if they find evidence of a chemical attack in Ghouta.

Gatling · 13-04-2018 5:20pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Stop talking ****. OPCW will disagree with Russia if they find evidence of a chemical attack in Ghouta.

But didn't russia declare that they had no chemical weapons but seems they do in fact have chemical weapons and didn't russia publicly attack the lastest OPCW investigation .

Fact they did

Seems truth is an issue on this thread

Cheerful Spring · 13-04-2018 5:24pm

Gatling wrote: »

But didn't russia declare that they had no chemical weapons but seems they do in fact have chemical weapons and didn't russia publicly attack the lastest OPCW investigation .

Fact they did

This is a Syrian thread. Just to clarify. The OPCW only confirmed the chemical structure of the poison. They never said it was Novichok in their public statement they said it was toxic chemical! And OPCW said as well they had no information on where it was made!

Gatling · 13-04-2018 5:26pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

This is a Syrian thread.

Yes It's certainly not a Vietnam or your personal conspiracy theories thread is it .

Russia lied simple

Aidric · 13-04-2018 5:28pm

Gatling wrote: »

Can russia not stick to one single claim rather than 50 conspiracy theories

Under the guidance of Surkov Russia have mastered the art of dissemination but to claim they are lone players in this field would be very wide of the mark.

The waters have been so muddied by both sides that it is hard to come to a rational conclusion, but of course that is the intention.

mcmoustache · 13-04-2018 5:28pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You, people, are unbelievable. Russia provides evidence of a staged event but it not enough.

Remember last year when they provided proof of the US helping ISIS?

They showed us a picture...

... from AC-130 Gunship Simulator: Special Ops Squadron.

Russia wants the world to know that they are lying.

cnocbui · 13-04-2018 5:32pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

This is a Syrian thread. Just to clarify. The OPCW only confirmed the chemical structure of the poison. They never said it was Novichok in their public statement they said it was toxic chemical! And OPCW said as well they had no information on where it was made!

Just stop with that ridiculous nonsense. The OPCW report said their tests confirmed that the samples contained a nerve agent and that it's structure matched with the UK's claims. Since the UK have been claiming that their tesst showed the presence of Novichok, The OPCW is confirming that it was Novichok.

mcmoustache · 13-04-2018 5:33pm

Gatling wrote: »

Can russia not stick to one single claim rather than 50 conspiracy theories

There would be only one version if they were telling the truth. But this Russia we're talking about.

bilston · 13-04-2018 5:41pm

bilston wrote: »

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Moscow has “irrefutable” data that the incident in Douma, Syria was staged by the intelligence services of a foreign state pushing a “Russophobic campaign,” Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov stated.

“We have irrefutable evidence that it was another staging, and the special services of a state which is in the forefront of the Russophobic campaign had a hand in the staging,” Lavrov said at a news conference with his Dutch counterpart Stef Blok on Friday.

Let's hope the Russians disclose this information

He said one country in particular is responsible but wouldn't name them.

I suspect Russia would like to pin the blame on the UK.

Not that I should be quoting myself, but Russia blaming Britain was fairly predictable.

Gatling · 13-04-2018 5:43pm

mcmoustache wrote: »

Remember last year when they provided proof of the US helping ISIS?

They showed us a picture...

... from AC-130 Gunship Simulator: Special Ops Squadron.

Russia wants the world to know that they are lying.

Sure didn't putin himself show renowned director Oliver Stone a video on his personal phone showing brave russian troops fighting against Isis in Syria .

Except the video putin played to Oliver Stone was from an American Apache Gunships gun camera 4 years previously in Afghanistan and widely available on social media.

mcmoustache · 13-04-2018 5:44pm

Aidric wrote: »

Under the guidance of Surkov Russia have mastered the art of dissemination but to claim they are lone players in this field would be very wide of the mark.

The waters have been so muddied by both sides that it is hard to come to a rational conclusion, but of course that is the intention.

This is very true. Western misinformation is more subtle.

A good example was the lead up to the Iraq war. The narrative that they were trying to promote was that Saddam was connected to the September eleventh attacks and that he was a real threat to the west. This was obviously false but over time they exaggerated intelligence and spoke about Saddam and Al Qaeda in the same sentences and US media backed them up. People in the US fell for it and off they went to war.

That's a very simplistic description of what happened. I know it was more complicated than that but the point I'm getting at is that western misinformation is about convincing the population of something that isn't true. They have their narrative and then feed that narrative.

Russian misinformation takes it to another level. Russia doesn't want people to believe something. They want people to believe nothing. That's why their various state media come out with contradictory narratives and conspiracy theories. It's why they use video game footage for proof. It's why they say things that are so provably false that they know that nobody really believes them. Again, the goal is that people believe nothing.

Cheerful Spring · 13-04-2018 5:48pm

cnocbui wrote: »

Just stop with that ridiculous nonsense. The OPCW report said their tests confirmed that the samples contained a nerve agent and that it's structure matched with the UK's claims. Since the UK have been claiming that their tesst showed the presence of Novichok, The OPCW is confirming that it was Novichok.

Wrong the public release is on online. OPCW never not even one time mentioned Novichok. They said it was a toxic chemical that poisoned the Skiprals.

UK government foreign ministry deleted their tweets blaming Russia!

Cheerful Spring · 13-04-2018 5:51pm

mcmoustache wrote: »

Remember last year when they provided proof of the US helping ISIS?

They showed us a picture...

... from AC-130 Gunship Simulator: Special Ops Squadron.

Russia wants the world to know that they are lying.

A civilian employee uploaded this picture and he was investigated for it. Russia provided more photographs than just this one on their facebook.

Gatling · 13-04-2018 5:55pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Wrong the public release is on online. OPCW never not even one time mentioned Novichok. They said it was a toxic chemical that poisoned the Skiprals.

UK government foreign ministry deleted their tweets blaming Russia!

OPCW designated laboratories of environmental and biomedical samples collected by the OPCW team confirms the findings of the United Kingdom relating to the identity of the toxic chemical

Porton Down confirmed Novichok and OPCW confirmed Porton Downs finding

Chemical weapon used on civilians in Syria + Airstrikes

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