Chemical weapon used on civilians in Syria + Airstrikes

mulbot

Gatling wrote: »

We've seen the results publicly .
3 locations turned into rubble including before and after satellite images there was multiple buildings and structures hit by the missles.

Actually on that russia has recently made claims they shot down 80 plus missles despite only 40 anti aircraft missles fired after the strikes had finished.
So they claimed that they successfully tracked , targeted and shotdown 80 missles with only 40 rockets ehhh no the utter bolloxolgy.
The other claims involved claiming many of the 100 + US , french ,UK missles failed due to mechanical reason and they have captured many of them.
The latest claim now is russia captured the latest cruise missiles and are now Claiming to be in Moscow being integrated into russian systems to improve them.


Maths for a start seems to be an issue for russia

So over 20 t hawk missiles per site, plus another 50 or so non t hawks divided over 3 sites and we're supposed to believe a few buildings destroyed and some rubble is the result of all that firepower!

Gatling

mulbot wrote: »

So over 20 t hawk missiles per site, plus another 50 or so non t hawks divided over 3 sites and we're supposed to believe a few buildings destroyed and some rubble is the result of all that firepower!

What would you expect

mulbot

Gatling wrote: »

What would you expect

I don't know much about them but I listen to people who do, and have doubted that 20 t hawks on one target did so little damage.

Gatling

mulbot wrote: »

I don't know much about them but I listen to people who do, and have doubted that 20 t hawks on one target did so little damage.

So little damage .


Yeah right ....

Gatling

So it seems the assad regime and russia are claiming they were hit with more UK and American missles from Jordan ,
Strikes hit a airfield in Homs and a weapons store killing at least 26 mainly Iranians , which the regime are Claiming they were Assad troops.
The UK and Americans have said we didn't launch any weapons . Assad say they did

Meanwhile it's highly likely Israel carried out the strikes.
No missles were intercepted or shotdown





https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43947019

Barry Badrinath

Gatling wrote: »

So it seems the assad regime and russia are claiming they were hit with more UK and American missles from Jordan ,
Strikes hit a airfield in Homs and a weapons store killing at least 26 mainly Iranians , which the regime are Claiming they were Assad troops.
The UK and Americans have said we didn't launch any weapons . Assad say they did

Meanwhile it's highly likely Israel carried out the strikes.
No missles were intercepted or shotdown

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43947019

Where is the statement from Assad and Russia in that link?

It was a Syrian newspaper who brought the US/UK theory to the table. No doubt an assumption due to the previous coalition missile strike and the Syr offensive in Deir ez-Zor yesterday....2+2= bull****.

I agree that it looks like the Israelis. Especially since there are reports that Iranian heavy lift cargo aircraft had been in Hama before the explosion.

Hande hoche!

That seems about right. Too much good news coming out of the Korean peninsula, now seems like the time for more flames in the Middle East.

BalcombeSt4

Gatling wrote: »

Remind us how that happened

How what happened? How America killed at least a million civilians & were seriously thinkking about using a Atomic Bomb?

Well America played the fear card at home greatly like they always doing.

skepticalme

Are you talking about the Israeli strike that measured 2.6 on the richter scale. The US confirmed it was Israel.

BalcombeSt4

nacho libre wrote: »

It's not necessarily always about control of resources, it's to ensure hegemony- specifically to ensure the dollar is the reserve currency. I don't know about pipelines in Syria being the reason this time, but i know that it's very unlikely to be genuine concern about civilians dying. If it were we'd have seen interventions in the Congo and in places like Iraq in the 80s where chemical weapons were being used against civilians and Iranian soliders, but the west didn't do so because it did not suit the stratgetic interest at the time.

Yeah I agree with that.
It's one of the reasons they removed Gaddafi from power & divided the country into a four piece disaster.
If they were "intervening" for humane reasons they would have intervened in Latin America (or the backdoor "****hole as Richard Nixon called it) as through out the 60's - 90's most countries in South & Centeral America as were under the control of either Fascist Dictators or Military Juntas, whose death squads were trained at the "School of the America's" in the US state of Georgia.
People all overt the world seen the the massacre at the funeral of Archbishop Romero who was assassinated in a church hospital by the El Salvadorian military. In the same country in 1980 four Catholic nuns from the United States were raped & murderedby the El Salvador National Guard. Jimmy Carter who now is suppose to be this great man of peace & justice suspened aid to the regime but a few weeks later reinstated the aid.
Reagan was even worse with his support for the Fascist Juntas in Latin America, a Human Rights Watch report said

During the Reagan years in particular, not only did the United States fail to press for improvements … but, in an effort to maintain backing for U.S. policy, it misrepresented the record of the Salvadoran government, and smeared critics who challenged that record. In so doing, the Administration needlessly polarized the debate in the United States, and did a grave injustice to the thousands of civilian victims of government terror in El Salvador. Despite the El MozoteMassacre that year, Reagan continued certifying (per the 1974 amendment to the Foreign Assistance Act) that the Salvadoran government was progressing in respecting and guaranteeing the human rights of its people, and in reducing National Guard abuses against them.

In Guatemala the Junta carried out a genocide against the native Mayan people.

In Nicaragua the US supported & trained the far-right Contra rebels who committed numerous war crimes during the the civil war from 79 - 90 & the Reagan regime actively encouraged the Contras to carry out terrorist attacks & target civilians.
Human Rights Watch accused the Contras of:

targeting health care clinics and health care workers for assassination

kidnapping civilianstorturing civilians
executing civilians, including children, who were captured in combat
raping women
indiscriminately attacking civilians and civilian houses
seizing civilian property
burning civilian houses in captured towns.

In his affidavit to the World Court, former contra Edgar Chamorro testified that:

"The CIA did not discourage such tactics. To the contrary, the Agency severely criticized me when I admitted to the press that the FDN had regularly kidnapped and executed agrarian reform workers and civilians. We were told that the only way to defeat the Sandinistas was to...kill, kidnap, rob and torture..."

In Argentina during the "Dirty War" the Junta there threw thousands of opponents out of planes & into the ocean.

In Honduras a state terrorist group called "Battalion 3-16" which was also trained by the CIA carried out political killings, killings of civilians, massacres & tortured prisoners.

These regimes at the least were just as bad as Saddam Hussien and in some cases possibly worse. So why is intervention okay in Iraq but not for some of the closet countries to you, I'm sure most people living in these countries would have loved it if the US removed some of these Fascist scum from power. And up until the 1990's the US loved the Saddam regime, when he started disobeying their orders that's when the war propaganda against the people of Iraq started.
Same with Noriega, the drug kingpin in Panama, when he started to become too much trouble the US got rid of him. Ironically they actually publically regarded Noriega as an ally on the "War on Drugs".

cnocbui

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Yeah I agree with that.
It's one of the reasons they removed Gaddafi from power & divided the country into a four piece disaster.
If they were "intervening" for humane reasons they would have intervened in Latin America ...

But what about the Conquistadors?

BalcombeSt4

cnocbui wrote: »

But what about the Conquistadors?

Their the reason so many natives were wiped out.

skepticalme

Israeli Russian meeting broke down today. Israel attacking Syria again tonight except this time Russian jets are up. Going to be an interesting night.

skepticalme

Israel attacked Syrian army tonight, Syria has retaliated. Looks like Netenyahu has given up pretending it was Iran he was targetting. Now Israel will as usual play the victim and say Israel was attacked.

Gatling

skepticalme wrote: »

Israel

Is that the you cheerful

TheValeyard

It all depends on the Iranian response now. Next two nights will be interesting

Gatling

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

It all depends on the Iranian response now. Next two nights will be interesting

Not a whole lot they can do lob a few missles back at Israel ,
Israel retailiates with bigger and more strikes assad starts losing ground due to Iranian loses and around they go again ,
Unless Israel starts a sudden build up on the Golan heights which would likely see incursions to remove the Iranians in Syria

nacho libre

Gatling wrote: »

Unless Israel starts a sudden build up on the Golan heights which would likely see incursions to remove the Iranians in Syria

Thats's not going to happen.
Your Israeli friends can't be too pleased with the election results in Lebanon. I don't think they'll start a war over it, though. Also with Hezbollah heavily involved in Syria they are probably not keen on doing Iran's bidding by risking another war with Israel. Meanwhile the Russians give Israel tacit admission to conduct these raid in Syria. They will not want things to escalate to a point where Russian solider are caught in the cross fire. You might not like to admit it but the Russians and Israelis have good relations.
I see this situation de-escalating for now.

Gatling

nacho libre wrote: »

Thats's not going to happen.
Your Israeli friends

Not my friends but hey what can you do .

Israel Will Keep hitting targets in Syria as they have done for the last 7 years regardless of what russia or anyone else says

nacho libre

Gatling wrote: »

Not my friends but hey what can you do .

Israel Will Keep hitting targets in Syria as they have done for the last 7 years regardless of what russia or anyone else says

They seem to be, as they can do no wrong in your eyes;)

Russia, as i said, has given them tacit admission to strike targets in Syria, as long as Russian personnel are not hit. Isarel warned Russia of the latest strikes before hand. Russia does not see its own and Iran's regional interests as necessarily intertwined.

BoJack Horseman

10 weeks after the OPCW took their samples, they have reported.

No chemical weapons found

OPCW designated labs conducted analysis of prioritised samples. The results show that NO organophosphorous nerve agents or their degradation products were detected in the environmental samples or in the plasma samples taken from alleged casualties.

Chlorine residue found, but normal for a destroyed residential area & its devastated water supply, which the OPCW refer to as having a "full chain of custody", ie: not weapon delivered

The Western allies attacked Syria on a lie

https://twitter.com/OPCW/status/1015274539373289472

archer22

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

10 weeks after the OPCW took their samples, they have reported.

No chemical weapons found



Chlorine residue found, but normal for a destroyed residential area & its devastated water supply, which the OPCW refer to as having a "full chain of custody", ie: not weapon delivered

The Western allies attacked Syria on a lie

https://twitter.com/OPCW/status/1015274539373289472

Of course the western media will be running that as their lead story tonight :rolleyes:

BoJack Horseman

archer22 wrote: »

Of course the western media will be running that as their lead story tonight :rolleyes:

It was released after business hours on a Friday exactly so it would be buried.

We are in dark times when the Western powers so glibly and hastily go to war over what they themselves knew was a lie.

Manic Moran

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Chlorine residue found, but normal for a destroyed residential area & its devastated water supply, which the OPCW refer to as having a "full chain of custody", ie: not weapon delivered
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It's an interim report. https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/S_series/2018/en/s-1645-2018_e_.pdf

I don't see where it says anything about the water supply or 'normal for a devastated area'
Various chlorinated organic chemicals were found in samples from Locations 2 and 4, along with residues of explosive. These results are reported in Annex 3. Work by the team to establish the significance of these results is ongoing.

So, no conclusions one way or the other so far.

The term 'Chain of Custody' appears four times. In no case does it appear to refer in any way to a delivery system.

BoJack Horseman

Manic Moran wrote: »

no conclusions one way or the other so far

Well, other than the conclusion that no chemical weapons were found on site or in any of the supposed victims.

The term 'Chain of Custody' appears four times. In no case does it appear to refer in any way to a delivery system.

Indeed

Blow up a water pipe & guess what comes out.

That's right... chlorinated water

RebelButtMunch

Manic Moran wrote: »

It's an interim report. https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/S_series/2018/en/s-1645-2018_e_.pdf

I don't see where it says anything about the water supply or 'normal for a devastated area'
Various chlorinated organic chemicals were found in samples from Locations 2 and 4, along with residues of explosive. These results are reported in Annex 3. Work by the team to establish the significance of these results is ongoing.

So, no conclusions one way or the other so far.

The term 'Chain of Custody' appears four times. In no case does it appear to refer in any way to a delivery system.

Thanks

skepticalme

Chain of custody refers to the fact that the OPCW collected the samples and had them in their custody until handed over to the laboratories.

The media disappointingly have run with the headline Chlorine gas used which is a complete lie.

The chlorinated organic compounds found are commonly found in glue, cosmetics, water.

The bicycle that was swabbed beside the deceased had no traces of anything.

All plasma samples came back clear.

The 'chemical weapons' sites had no such evidence.

The white helmets staged this as suspected and the US,UK and France attacked on the flimsiest of evidence.

After Iraq and the WMD lie, it beggars belief that people could fall for this again.

2 Scoops

Maybe they're not "falling" for it.

cnocbui

skepticalme wrote: »

Chain of custody refers to the fact that the OPCW collected the samples and had them in their custody until handed over to the laboratories.

The media disappointingly have run with the headline Chlorine gas used which is a complete lie.

The chlorinated organic compounds found are commonly found in glue, cosmetics, water.

The bicycle that was swabbed beside the deceased had no traces of anything.

All plasma samples came back clear.

The 'chemical weapons' sites had no such evidence.

The white helmets staged this as suspected and the US,UK and France attacked on the flimsiest of evidence.

After Iraq and the WMD lie, it beggars belief that people could fall for this again.

Chlorine is a very active chemical, which is why anyone with a chlorinated swimming pool has to constantly keep adding chlorine to replace that which breaks down. The OPCW team were deliberately prevented from accessing the area for two weeks, and even before they got there, some experts were saying the delay was too long and the evidence would be gone.

Alastair W.M. Hay, a toxicologist and professor at the University of Leeds, said that chlorine was likely to have vanished from the site and that any traces found in the biomedical samples of victims were likely to be inconclusive because chlorine appears naturally in the body.

Locals also reported Russian troops constantly going in and out of the sites in the weeks that the OPCW were prevented from accessing the sites.

No big surprise then that the results were inconclusive. Any suggestion the reports of chlorine use were false, are completely invalid due to the inspection delay engineered by Russia and the Syrians.

Elmer Blooker

cnocbui wrote: »

Locals also reported Russian troops constantly going in and out of the sites in the weeks that the OPCW were prevented from accessing the sites.

No big surprise then that the results were inconclusive. Any suggestion the reports of chlorine use were false, are completely invalid due to the inspection delay engineered by Russia and the Syrians.

Were these "locals" western backed jihadist mercenaries by any chance?