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Convective/Thunderstorm Discussion Spring/Summer 2018

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,827 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,827 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Just wondering could the second cold front crossing the country tomorrow produce a few isolated thunderstorms. A nice convergence sets up and the models showing some CAPE available. Decent low and deep level shear. Lapse rates not great though. Maybe too much mixing and not enough heating. It will be interesting watching the fronts go through tomorrow and the winds backing. Temperatures fluctuating during the day as the fronts pass over.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭Darwin


    I think I got a photo of a shelf cloud yesterday (Southern France), not 100% sure though. I was kicking myself I didn't go outside to get a better shot:

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    The resulting storm was impressive, 1000 strikes in the department and gusts of up to 120Km/h. The airport is nearby and there were planes trying to land in this :eek:


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,827 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Great shot Darwin. Looks like it was very lively all right!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,119 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Little bit of development here at the moment between here and the mountains

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,827 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Bit of a convergence zone around the East coast, will it kick off some convective showers and a rumble ? Plenty of surface heat and Convective Weather.com saying a lot of shear available.


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,720 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Bit of a convergence zone around the East coast, will it kick off some convective showers and a rumble?

    Feels/looks it! Very dark clouds around and (moderate) rain has just arrived in Dublin 16. Some of the weather apps have lightning/thunder for my location this evening.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Feels/looks it! Very dark clouds around and (moderate) rain has just arrived in Dublin 16. Some of the weather apps have lightning/thunder for my location this evening.

    Drove from Cork City back to Dublin this evening. Left Cork at 18.20hrs, and it was raining from Tipperary all the way through to south county Dublin.

    Rain was consistent throughout. Very dark clouds all along the route and feeling really humid.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,426 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    pad199207 wrote: »
    Little bit of development here at the moment between here and the mountains

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    Pad is Kildare weather on FB your page?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,119 ✭✭✭pad199207


    ZX7R wrote: »
    Pad is Kildare weather on FB your page?

    Yup guilty ;)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,426 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    pad199207 wrote: »
    Yup guilty ;)

    Cool I follow it also ðŸ‘


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,827 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Mesmerising GIF of cloud formation on Isla de la Juventud , just off Cuba. It would be interesting to know how much rain dropped , must have been a big thunderstorm.

    https://twitter.com/weatherdak/status/1021855640426184704


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That's pretty amazing !


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I can't believe with all the heat we had the last while there's no thunderstorms !


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,851 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Yeah I was thinking that too. Whats missing? We have heat, we have had plenty of moist warm air. What else is needed?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭jimmynokia


    We better get something soon.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,827 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


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    Convective Weather


    In Ireland, elements of embedded mid-level instability release may occur within the frontal rainfall slowly tracking eastwards during Thursday daytime. A few isolated lightning strikes will be possible, before potential starts to reduce by evening hours.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,827 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Saturday looks interesting for Convection / Thunderstorm activity with a lot of energy in the atmosphere as a large upper trough moves over Ireland with a negative tilt. Will see.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭jimmynokia




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭jimmynokia


    Heavy rain was all mentioned on news. No word of thunderstorms.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭jimmynokia


    Heavy rain was all mentioned on news. No word of thunderstorms.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,112 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    The chance seems fairly remote anyway, but possible.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,806 ✭✭✭CrowdedHouse


    Seven Worlds will Collide



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭jimmynokia




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,827 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Very active again the UK tomorrow and could lead to some severe storms there. Best chance for Ireland tomorrow evening. Still think Sat is our best chance of Thunderstorms.

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    Day 2 Convective Outlook
    VALID 06:00 UTC Fri 27 Jul 2018 - 05:59 UTC Sat 28 Jul 2018

    ISSUED 20:03 UTC Thu 26 Jul 2018

    ISSUED BY: Dan

    ... FRIDAY MORNING ...
    Elevated thunderstorms will likely be ongoing on Friday morning along the ThetaE plume from Cen S England, through eastern England to perhaps the Northern Isles. These should continue to drift north along the same corridor through the day, but probably with some reasonable gaps developing as forcing aloft and instability weakens temporarily in the wake of each thunderstorm cluster.

    ... FRIDAY AFTERNOON / EVENING ...
    Strong surface heating with temperatures in the mid 30s Celsius and dewpoints of 18-20C will create a very unstable environment by the afternoon, with CAPE values in excess of 1,500 J/kg possible. This combined with elements of low-level convergence and stronger upper forcing arriving, as a shortwave drifts northwards on the forward side of an approaching upper trough, should provide the trigger for scattered surface-based thunderstorms, particularly during the late afternoon and into the evening hours. There is also some signal for orographic forcing during the evening hours to allow a few thunderstorms to develop over the northern Pennines, drifting north into southern Scotland, hence the inclusion of a small MDT.

    Given the magnitude of instability, strongly-sheared profiles and dry intrusion in the mid levels, a supercell or two will be possible capable of producing large hail over 3cm in diameter along with damaging outflow winds and very frequent lightning. Some surface water flooding could occur in a few places. As such, a SVR has been issued to cover the risk of large hail, damaging winds and torrential downpours.

    ... FRIDAY NIGHT ...
    On Friday evening and night, increased forcing aloft will destabilise the instability plume more widely, with an increasing coverage of elevated thunderstorms likely to erupt over eastern England, gradually clearing to the east - perhaps bending back westwards over parts of northern Scotland and the Northern Isles. A MDT and HIGH have been issued to cover this potential combined with earlier surface-based storms - though should model guidance trend eastwards, the focus will naturally shift eastwards to the North Sea instead, and the HIGH may need to be removed / MDT trimmed.

    ... SW ENGLAND / S + W WALES / CELTIC SEA / S IRELAND ...
    The secondary cold front will be subject to strong forcing as a sharp upper trough over-runs it during Friday night. Several hundred J/kg CAPE will be present, with some lightning activity and gusty winds possible as the cold front surges eastwards. A SLGT has been introduced to cover this potential.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,119 ✭✭✭pad199207


    We look on at the UK yet again. These are the setups i dread.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭typhoony


    the front coming in from the west in the next 2 hours looks like it may have some activity on it.


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    typhoony wrote: »
    the front coming in from the west in the next 2 hours looks like it may have some activity on it.

    It's pulling up from the south though ? unless it will track west later doesn't look like it's coming west now. Looks like rain in the south pushing North.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    Might be worth keeping an eye on these live stream cameras in the UK today if there is going to be any sparks.

    https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/united-kingdom.html


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭PukkaStukka


    ME have issued a yellow warning for heavy rain with thundery downpours for Leinster, Waterford, Donegal, Cavan & Monaghan effective from 21:00 tonight till 09:00 tomorrow. Possible accumulations 25-40mm


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