Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

Appledreams15

Cyrus wrote: »

you are proud of a group marching about a court case in a different jurisdiction, where due process was followed and a jury of the accused peers found them not guilty in less than 4 hours?

What did they do when you say we made it?

what in gods name do they expect to achieve?

you can gauge the mentality of these people by the politicians involved

Of course I'm proud.
I am incredibly proud.
I think of all the women I have talked to, crying about their sexual assault, and I think of this day.
I think of the woman I met today, who cried and said 'it happened to me 20 years ago, I should be over it by now'. And I am proud.
The protest is in solidarity with the victim in N.I , it is ALSO about women being failed in rape cases in the REPUBLiC. Will you look up what people are bloody protesting about, before assuming and commenting.

Now a miracle on here would be a man actually saying hey thousands of wlmen are saying they are suffering, maybe I will be man enough to say that women are suffering in the country that I live in. Maybe we can change that going forward

suicide_circus

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Of course I'm proud.
I am incredibly proud.
I think of all the women I have talked to, crying about their sexual assault, and I think of this day.
I think of the woman I met today, who cried and said 'it happened to me 20 years ago, I should be over it by now'. And I am proud.
The protest is in solidarity with the victim in N.I , it is ALSO about women being failed in rape cases in the REPUBLiC. Will you look up what people are bloody protesting about, before assuming and commenting.

Now a miracle on here would be a man actually saying hey thousands of wlmen are saying they are suffering, maybe I will be man enough to say that women are suffering in the country that I live in. Maybe we can change that going forward

What do you actually want here? A trial was had. Justice was served.

Appledreams15

ChikiChiki wrote: »

A few crafty lads spotted in that crowd. They know well what they are at.

Amazing, a man might actually have a heart, and be upset about women getting raped!

How amazing in this day and age.

Assetbacked

kylith wrote: »

No. It really doesn't.

But silence and not smiling during sex equals, almost always (in the absence of violence), no rape; correct?

suicide_circus

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Amazing, a man might actually have a heart, and be upset about women getting raped!

How amazing in this day and age.

This woman wasn't raped by the accused men.

freshpopcorn

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Amazing, a man might actually have a heart, and be upset about women getting raped!

How amazing in this day and age.

Most men and women I know would have a heart for anybody who experienced any kind of sexual violence.
However no rational man or woman can convict somebody of a crime when their isn't enough evidence if they are sitting on a jury.

Guy:Incognito

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Amazing, a man might actually have a heart, and be upset about women getting raped!

How amazing in this day and age.

The woman in question wasn't raped tho.

Appledreams15

suicide_circus wrote: »

What do you actually want here? A trial was had. Justice was served.

Havent I just said two posts ago? It is not about this particular case. It is about the wider issue of women being failed in the court systems in the rep and n.ireland. That can be changed going forward.

I have to say lads, you're doing an awful lot to live up to your current reputation as Irish men as 'sexist, cruel and nasty'. If you want to keep in that vein so be it. I have been talking to men abroad on whatsapl, ive travelled a fair bit, and they were all incredibly supportive. So I think I will go and talk to the supportive people and the Irish women who actually want change. Ye need to take a hardlook at how you're acting, and how you are now looking on a global stage.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Amazing, a man might actually have a heart, and be upset about women getting raped!

How amazing in this day and age.

There's a convicted rapist playing for Waterford Utd at the moment. Go and protest them to highlight your issue.

The Ulster boys were found not guilty after a 9 week trial. Why use them as an example?

Guy:Incognito

Assetbacked wrote: »

But silence and not smiling during sex equals, almost always (in the absence of violence), no rape; correct?

Does the man have to continuously confirm consent all through every sexuall encounter and if he doesn't should women stop?

podmu80

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Of course I'm proud.
I am incredibly proud.
I think of all the women I have talked to, crying about their sexual assault, and I think of this day.
I think of the woman I met today, who cried and said 'it happened to me 20 years ago, I should be over it by now'. And I am proud.
The protest is in solidarity with the victim in N.I , it is ALSO about women being failed in rape cases in the REPUBLiC. Will you look up what people are bloody protesting about, before assuming and commenting.

Now a miracle on here would be a man actually saying hey thousands of wlmen are saying they are suffering, maybe I will be man enough to say that women are suffering in the country that I live in. Maybe we can change that going forward

Victim of what?

hynesie08

So would anybody who was at a meeting today like to tell us what they proposed as an alternative to the current justice system? Because surely they had one?

Mokuba

Women are suffering.

Jesus Christ.

This generation of women is the most privileged generation in the history of time, and have have not only found equality with men, but have surpassed men. Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia where there is real suffering going on?

Christ.

Deluded. Anyone in those parades should be avoided.

podmu80

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

There's a convicted rapist playing for Waterford Utd at the moment. Go and protest them to highlight your issue.

The Ulster boys were found not guilty after a 9 week trial. Why use them as an example?

Black and Muslim. Free pass. Nothing to see here. Move along.

pjohnson

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Of course I'm proud.
I am incredibly proud.
I think of all the women I have talked to, crying about their sexual assault, and I think of this day.
I think of the woman I met today, who cried and said 'it happened to me 20 years ago, I should be over it by now'. And I am proud.
The protest is in solidarity with the victim in N.I , it is ALSO about women being failed in rape cases in the REPUBLiC. Will you look up what people are bloody protesting about, before assuming and commenting.

Now a miracle on here would be a man actually saying hey thousands of wlmen are saying they are suffering, maybe I will be man enough to say that women are suffering in the country that I live in. Maybe we can change that going forward

You must want the women who found them not guilty converted to men?

Guy:Incognito

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Havent I just said two posts ago? It is not about this particular case. It is about the wider issue of women being failed in the court systems in the rep and n.ireland. That can be changed going forward.

I have to say lads, you're doing an awful lot to live up to your current reputation as Irish men as 'sexist, cruel and nasty'. If you want to keep in that vein so be it. I have been talking to men abroad on whatsapl, ive travelled a fair bit, and they were all incredibly supportive. So I think I will go and talk to the supportive people and the Irish women who actually want change. Ye need to take a hardlook at how you're acting, and how you are now looking on a global stage.

It is about this case though. This is happening because people aren't happy that they weren't convicted. The whole ibelieveher stuff.

The soundbites on the radio, including a woman that said "the rapists were found not guilty, not innocent". How the **** can a radio station broadcast that? If it were the other way around people would be going nuts.

This is mob rule, nothing more.

deirdremf

Inmyownworld wrote: »

Not guilty doesn't equate to innocent.

In law it does - because you are innocent until proven guilty.
They were found not to be guilty, therefore in law they are innocent.

policy75

What i do wonder about all this is if these guys will be allowed to go back to their occupations. My feeling is that have not been found guilty so they should resume their professional careers. That said i am sure that there is probably a stipulation in their contracts that they uphold the values of their employer and i doubt their employer would wish to be seen condoning such behaviour by allowing them to simply pick up where they left off

SleetAndSnow

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Havent I just said two posts ago? It is not about this particular case. It is about the wider issue of women being failed in the court systems in the rep and n.ireland. That can be changed going forward.

I have to say lads, you're doing an awful lot to live up to your current reputation as Irish men as 'sexist, cruel and nasty'. If you want to keep in that vein so be it. I have been talking to men abroad on whatsapl, ive travelled a fair bit, and they were all incredibly supportive. So I think I will go and talk to the supportive people and the Irish women who actually want change. Ye need to take a hardlook at how you're acting, and how you are now looking on a global stage.

You keep saying 'women being failed in the court systems in the rep and n.ireland' , yet less women are sent to prison then men for the same crimes, women generally get lesser sentences then men for the same crimes, women have more rights in courts when it comes to the children in courts and general family matters, women have a higher chance of getting their assaulter/rapist convicted in a court then a man. Its a two way street, so if you want more equality for women in courts the same has to be given to men.

I can't see where we are being 'sexist, cruel and nasty' while we are just saying that a jury, which was agreed to by the womans team, gave a verdict reached in about 4 hours and was unanimous in their decision?

pjohnson

RuMan wrote: »

I assumed poster was taking the piss?!

She spent this morning saying Ireland is the same as India.

hynesie08

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Havent I just said two posts ago? It is not about this particular case. It is about the wider issue of women being failed in the court systems in the rep and n.ireland. That can be changed going forward

How??

ShowMeTheCash

irishrebe wrote: »

Never claimed to be a barrister. I said I had a law degree, and I work as a legal translator. I'd say that means I have a better grasp of law than your average person. Didn't claim anything more.

I never claimed you did, I am making the point that having a law degree does not mean a whole lot it is vague at best and could mean a few different things, as to what the average person knows or does not know with regards the law I do not know that either but I am struggling to see anything of merit in some of your arguments.

cloudatlas

Mokuba wrote: »

Women are suffering.

Jesus Christ.

This generation of women is the most privileged generation in the history of time, and have have not only found equality with men, but have surpassed men. Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia where there is real suffering going on?

Christ.

Deluded. Anyone in those parades should be avoided.

whataboutery, look over there at those issues not here look over at Saudi Arabia! Women do not dominate men in this country I have seen nothing that backs that up at all it's all redpill rubbish.

Guy:Incognito

policy75 wrote: »

What i do wonder about all this is if these guys will be allowed to go back to their occupations. My feeling is that have not been found guilty so they should resume their professional careers. That said i am sure that there is probably a stipulation in their contracts that they uphold the values of their employer and i doubt their employer would wish to be seen condoning such behaviour by allowing them to simply pick up where they left off

I'd say not raping people is perfectly in line with what any employer would want.

Mokuba

cloudatlas wrote: »

whataboutery, look over there at those issues not here look over at Saudi Arabia! Women do not dominate men in this country I have seen nothing that backs that up at all it's all redpill rubbish.

What are the issues here then?

Explain to me how hard women have it, in modern Ireland, using real facts and statistics.

pjohnson

cloudatlas wrote: »

Anti legal system way of handing rape cases and solidarity with abuse victims across the board I would have thought. You'd think after hours would have no problem with civic disobedience but when there is a march like this it's always anti-men and it is always homogonised into one in their heads because any kind of real sort of engagement with the issues is too much so 'Anti man' yeah that's it now don't think about it anymore as it's too difficult for the auld brain to wrap around... Anti man mantra will do.

Not anti man in the slightest

cloudatlas

deirdremf wrote: »

In law it does - because you are innocent until proven guilty.
They were found not to be guilty, therefore in law they are innocent.

Someone tried to prove their guilt and failed. It is not the same as proving innocence.

drugstore cowboy

Appledreams15 wrote: »

The protest is in solidarity with the victim in N.I

Victim? of what?

pjohnson

cloudatlas wrote: »

Someone tried to prove their guilt and failed. It is not the same as proving innocence.

They are innocent.

Ireland (wrongly I guess) believes in innocent until proven guilty.

cloudatlas

pjohnson wrote: »

Not anti man in the slightest

Well that lone twitter post just proves it, thank you, now everything is clear, it was a big nazi man hating rally after all, yes that's what it was that's easy to digest for my tiny brain so I'll go with that!