Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

blanch152

Appledreams15 wrote: »

The first thing I think of is : not being raped.

God , I'd love to have not been raped. I'd actually give anything.

I know a number of men who have been raped.

irishrebe

Mr.H wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

It was caught on CCTV. He'd been stalking her for ages. I turned out to be an unreliable witness, certainly not out of any malice on my part. I totally got the wrong end of the stick.

The police told you what actually happened? Is that not tampering with witness testimony?

It came out later, obviously. I gave my statement of what I'd seen and it later turned out to be totally wrong. Imagine if it been the key piece of evidence used in the trial?

Cyrus

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Why would they ask it then. ?

I presume it would be someone looking happy making positive noises and enjoying it.

She said no.

However, she did catch Paddy Jackson out in a big lie. He said he didnt have vaginal sex with the girl. Dara said that she saw him doing so.

I believe she was mistaken on that front and heres why

If jackson did have vaginal sex with her and lied about it, it was a massive risk to take. If the jury were convinced he lied about that then chances of him being found guilty were much higher.

Appledreams15

Protest marches in ireland are the no.1 story on the daily mail online. So so proud of women in Ireland! We made it!

blanch152

professore wrote: »

You think there are no boys raped in Ireland?

Huh? Did you quote the wrong post?

Benildus

I'm not sure how true this is but the victim apparently had another rape/sexual assault case withdrawn previously so this wasn't her first time having been in this situation.

blanch152

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Protest marches in ireland are the no.1 story on the daily mail online. So so proud of women in Ireland! We made it!

People in Ireland protesting about the judicial system in Northern Ireland. Were they asking Leo to change it?

Mr.H

irishrebe wrote:

Why is it always a competition? You are aware that working on women's rights doesn't mean taking away men's rights? Campaigning for rape kits and access to abortion for women doesn't mean men shouldn't have them. It's largely a women's issue because more women are raped than men, and if you hadn't noticed, men can't get pregnant. A large part of an initial report of rape is taking care of emergency contraception and so on.

It's not a competition. You were asked what rights men have in Ireland that women don't.

When you count unreported rape the figures are actually closer than you think. Men in prisons are also raped. Do they not count?

professore

irishrebe wrote: »

Why is it always a competition? You are aware that working on women's rights doesn't mean taking away men's rights? Campaigning for rape kits and access to abortion for women doesn't mean men shouldn't have them. It's largely a women's issue because more women are raped than men, and if you hadn't noticed, men can't get pregnant. A large part of an initial report of rape is taking care of emergency contraception and so on.

I'm 100% behind any and all facilities that can be provided to rape victims. And I don't want to make it a competition.

kylith

Assetbacked wrote: »

How would she "see" consent? In contrast to rape where she would see struggle, cries for help etc, "seeing" consent is different. How would she see it?

You do know that not all rape victims shout and struggle, right? And not shouting and struggling does not mean that one was not raped.

irishman86

I love the sheep mentality these verdicts bring
The court found them not guilty. If these lads werent famous there would be barely a mention of it
Lets not forget the Ched Evans case. Same marching/bitching and then it turned out all these idiots were wrong
The lads should be left alone and let get on with there lifes

Assetbacked

Appledreams15 wrote: »

And so why do you think it was asked at court?.

Why wouldn't it be? For completeness and as part of a thorough questioning. Imagine not asking the question of the key witness "did you see the complainant consent to the sex?"

Mr.H

Appledreams15 wrote:

The first thing I think of is : not being raped.

so a guy has the right to not be raped?

I'm sorry if some scum bag did that to you but he had no right and this again isn't anything to do with rights

Assetbacked

kylith wrote: »

You do know that not all rape victims shout and struggle, right? And not shouting and struggling does not mean that one was not raped.

Equally, it does not mean she was. Probably it is not rape if there is no protest when sex happens (in the absence of violence or threat of violence). The jury decided it was not rape. That's the end of it.

professore

Cyrus wrote: »

I believe she was mistaken on that front and heres why

If jackson did have vaginal sex with her and lied about it, it was a massive risk to take. If the jury were convinced he lied about that then chances of him being found guilty were much higher.

Also the fact she had an internal cut would tally with a sharp fingernail rather than a penis - I can't imagine how you could cut a vagina with a penis.

Cyrus

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Protest marches in ireland are the no.1 story on the daily mail online. So so proud of women in Ireland! We made it!

you are proud of a group marching about a court case in a different jurisdiction, where due process was followed and a jury of the accused peers found them not guilty in less than 4 hours?

What did they do when you say we made it?

what in gods name do they expect to achieve?

you can gauge the mentality of these people by the politicians involved

Cyrus

Mr.H wrote: »

so a guy has the right to not be raped?

I'm sorry if some scum bag did that to you but he had no right and this again isn't anything to do with rights

exactly

TheChosenOne_

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Protest marches in ireland are the no.1 story on the daily mail online. So so proud of women in Ireland! We made it!

Proud? A bunch of sheep is all I see. 3/4 of those people haven't a clue about the ins and outs of a trial.

But once again, it's just woman acting victimised and telling us how we should treat them better.

ANTI MAN PROTEST IS WHAT IT IS

blanch152

professore wrote: »

Also the fact she had an internal cut would tally with a sharp fingernail rather than a penis - I can't imagine how you could cut a vagina with a penis.

In fairness, a lack of lubrication could cause vaginal tears

Mr.H

irishrebe wrote:

It came out later, obviously. I gave my statement of what I'd seen and it later turned out to be totally wrong. Imagine if it been the key piece of evidence used in the trial?

No I'm not accusing I just thought that the police guy told you.

I remember I was in Liverpool last year with my better half and we were walking at night. We hear a couple of lads loudly racing past us. We stepped out if the way. Next some poor young lad running behind was in tears. They beat him up because he was gay and stole his phone and wallet. All I kept thinking was it didn't seem right why did I step out of their way. Truth is normal people don't always react to these things. We waited with he had for the police. Took three phone angry calls by me before they finally made it out. I gave the police guy an earful when he eventually arrived. Looking back I'm glad he didn't take offense.

ChikiChiki

A few crafty lads spotted in that crowd. They know well what they are at.

freshpopcorn

The Cork march I don't really get the flowers.

Nermal

kylith wrote: »

And not shouting and struggling does not mean that one was not raped.

If you are a conscious adult, not being threatened with violence, then yes it does.

wexie

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Protest marches in ireland are the no.1 story on the daily mail online. So so proud of women in Ireland! We made it!

Made what?

The DailyMail?

I think perhaps if you're looking to actually influence anything you need to set your sights a bit higher

UnknownSpecies

blanch152 wrote: »

In fairness, a lack of lubrication could cause vaginal tears

Doctor said it wasn't consistent with a laceration caused by penile rape. Much more likely to be a fingernail.

cloudatlas

TheChosenOne_ wrote: »

Proud? A bunch of sheep is all I see. 3/4 of those people haven't a clue about the ins and outs of a trial.

But once again, it's just woman acting victimised and telling us how we should treat them better.

ANTI MAN PROTEST IS WHAT IT IS

Anti legal system way of handing rape cases and solidarity with abuse victims across the board I would have thought. You'd think after hours would have no problem with civic disobedience but when there is a march like this it's always anti-men and it is always homogonised into one in their heads because any kind of real sort of engagement with the issues is too much so 'Anti man' yeah that's it now don't think about it anymore as it's too difficult for the auld brain to wrap around... Anti man mantra will do.

Assetbacked

Nermal wrote: »

If you are a conscious adult, not being threatened with violence, then yes it does.

Unless you believe that women are helpless, weak minded creatures. It tends to be those with their own mental health issues which take an alternative view to this.

RuMan

wexie wrote: »

Made what?

The DailyMail?

I think perhaps if you're looking to actually influence anything you need to set your sights a bit higher

I assumed poster was taking the piss?!

kylith

Nermal wrote: »

If you are a conscious adult, not being threatened with violence, then yes it does.

No. It really doesn't.

suicide_circus

ChikiChiki wrote: »

A few crafty lads spotted in that crowd. They know well what they are at.

Woke for the Poke