Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

Nermal

Silentcorner wrote: »

And as for the blood on the sheets!!

I think there's blood on my sheets. I got a blister on my ankle when my sock came down as I was running. I had better wash them before they're given in evidence and used to convict me.

'Absolute scumbags'. Really, what hyperbole, over a bawdy whatsapp group. Have any of the Mary Whitehouse impersonators in this thread ever set foot in a bar or locker room?

tretorn

Silentcorner wrote: »

Absolute scumbags.

I can't get my head around the fact that Rory Harrison, sent a gif of a spit roast to Stuart Olding...

Two hours after they had all met for lunch.

Where they insist no one spoke about the night before.

Which was an hour after Rory received a text from the young woman who claimed what happened the night before was not consensual.

Which happened a few hours after he helped her to her front door, witnessing her distress.

And as for the blood on the sheets!!

F##king hell....

I can see why the judge, attempted to keep this out of the media....

I can see why the judge kept it out of the media too, it was out of concern for your blood pressure silentcorner, be sure not to have a brain haemorrage with all the stress, you could end up with blood all over your own sheets.

News alert, news alert, the blood didnt belong to the woman who had the threesome with olding so it has nothing whatsoever to do with the case.

News alert, news alert, the men met for breakfast in one of the busiest cafes in Belfast, news alert, news alert, criminals dont tend to meet in busy restaurants to discuss tactics. Criminals dont talk about alleged crimes they have committed and then send anything relating to alleged crime to each other in the form of porn videos. Is there any evidence these men have the intelligence of a cricket, they would have to have no brain to have a video of a spitroast on their phone if they even suspected someone was about to accuse them of rape.

News alert, news alert silentcorner, lots of people who have fallen down drunk cut themselves and have bloody sheets. News alert, news alert, blood on sheets does not mean rape has taken place.

Thank God for that sane jury in this trial and thank God for the wonderful Judge who spent nine weeks making sure the trial was fair for anyone.

Can someone please sabotage twitter, it is turning people like silentcorner into raving lunatics.

Silentcorner

tretorn wrote: »

I can see why the judge kept it out of the media too, it was out of concern for your blood pressure silentcorner, be sure not to have a brain haemorrage with allthe stress, you could end up with blood allover your own sheets.

News alert, news alert, the blood didnt belong tothe woman who had the threesome with olding so it has nothing whatsoever to do with the case.

News alert, news alert, the men met for breakfast in one of the busisest cafes in Belfast, news alert, news alert, criminals dont tend to meet in busy restaurants to discuss tactics.

News alert, news alert silentcorner, lots of people who have fallen down drunk cut themselves and have bloody sheets. News alert, news alert, blood on sheets does not mean rape has taken place.

Thank God for that sane jury in this trial and thank God for the wonderful Judge who spent nine weeks making sure the trial was fair for anyone.

Can someone please sabotage twitter, it is turning people like silentcorner into raving lunatics.

Jesus...I didn't mean to upset you...

Silentcorner

Nermal wrote: »

I think there's blood on my sheets. I got a blister on my ankle when my sock came down as I was running. I had better wash them before they're given in evidence and used to convict me.

'Absolute scumbags'. Really, what hyperbole, over a bawdy whatsapp group. Have any of the Mary Whitehouse impersonators in this thread ever set foot in a bar or locker room?

It wasn't his blood...it was another person's blood...

That is to say, the blood of two different people were on his sheets....

I enjoy a very healthy social life in locker rooms and pubs always have...I just keep away from scumbags!

tretorn

Appledream has had her head turned by the metoo movement, the metoo is now resembling some sort of communal bowel movement group, lets all talk crap all the time.

This metoo crap is now infecting mainstream society, consent is now the buzzword and straight white males are to be airbrushed, thats a new buzzword now too, airbrushed out of society.

Women are good and men are bad, what is the book about two legs good and four legs bad. Everyone in the end turns on each other and they all revert to savagry.

PJS sheets and whether he washes them or not are his own business, the blood didnt belong to the woman who said he raped her so move along now.

The mob are delighted, everyone was bored with the whatsapp messages, they have now smelt blood, fee,fi fo, fum, I smell the blood of an innocent man.

FrancieBrady

Silentcorner wrote: »

It wasn't his blood...it was another person's blood...

That is to say, the blood of two different people were on his sheets....

I enjoy a very healthy social life in locker rooms and pubs always have...I just keep away from scumbags!

So what if it was two different people though?

It wasn't relevant to the case.

tretorn

It could have been the blood of ten different people, pJ probably has lots of threesomes and women tend to bleed at certain times of the month.

I think PJ might have a dog, could it be blood from the dog.

Maybe it isnt blood at all, could it be ketchup stains.

Silentcorner

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So what if it was two different people though?

It wasn't relevant to the case.

Funny enough...I thought forensic evidence was very relevant to the case...but I got that wrong too...

I can't help you if think it is perfectly normal to have the blood of different individuals on your bedsheets...

FrancieBrady

Silentcorner wrote: »

Funny enough...I thought forensic evidence was very relevant to the case...but I got that wrong too...

I can't help you if think it is perfectly normal to have the blood of different individuals on your bedsheets...

That is a moral judgement, don't confuse it with a legal one.
The abiding impression I got throughout the trial was that it was a kinda student house.
I think one or two of the others talked about crashing in any bed available.

The blood of someone else was of no 'forensic' interest. It has certainly interested the moral highgrounders though.

Mrsmum

tretorn wrote: »

It could have been the blood of ten different people, pJ probably has lots of threesomes and women tend to bleed at certain times of the month.

I think PJ might have a dog, could it be blood from the dog.

Maybe it isnt blood at all, could it be ketchup stains.

PJ seems to meet an awful lot of menstruating women who despite their period are up for multiple partners.

Nermal

Mrsmum wrote: »

PJ seems to meet an awful lot of menstruating women who despite their period are up for multiple partners.

Perhaps he's just lax changing the sheets?

Silentcorner

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That is a moral judgement, don't confuse it with a legal one.
The abiding impression I got throughout the trial was that it was a kinda student house.
I think one or two of the others talked about crashing in any bed available.

The blood of someone else was of no 'forensic' interest. It has certainly interested the moral highgrounders though.

I wasn't confusing my opinion with a legal one, in the eyes of the law these guys are not guilty.

In the court of the public opinion they are reaping what they sow!

tretorn

He does have a lot of women throwing themselves at him, he could probably bring a woman home every night of the week.

By the law of averages some of the women will have their time of the month, it doesnt appear to bother PJ too much.

He had blood on his fingers the night he was accused of rape, he testified he thought it was period blood, it didnt occur to him that anything he was doing had caused the blood.

Some people dont change sheets for weeks, thats their own business though.

foxyladyxx

tretorn wrote: »

It could have been the blood of ten different people, pJ probably has lots of threesomes and women tend to bleed at certain times of the month.

I think PJ might have a dog, could it be blood from the dog.

Maybe it isnt blood at all, could it be ketchup stains.

You forgot the cat

tretorn

Does he have a cat, maybe the cat got her period and climbed onto the bed to have a catnap.

foxyladyxx

tretorn wrote: »

Does he have a cat, maybe the cat got her period and climbed onto the bed to have a catnap.

Now you have it :rolleyes:

FrancieBrady

Red meat, them rugby players ate it in their sleep!

Mrsmum

tretorn wrote: »

It could have been the blood of ten different people, pJ probably has lots of threesomes and women tend to bleed at certain times of the month.

I think PJ might have a dog, could it be blood from the dog.

Maybe it isnt blood at all, could it be ketchup stains.

Is this a guessing game. I've one - maybe pj doesn't think it's good sex unless she's bleeding.

Happy4all

tretorn wrote: »

It could have been the blood of ten different people, pJ probably has lots of threesomes and women tend to bleed at certain times of the month.

I think PJ might have a dog, could it be blood from the dog.

Maybe it isnt blood at all, could it be ketchup stains.

a threesome with a dog?

you're some sick bastard

tretorn

PJ could have picked up ticks while he was in South Africa, they burrow under your skin sucking your blood.

Maybe they came out that night with all the excitement of the threesomes and they leaked blood on the sheets.

I didnt say the poor dog joined the threesome, maybe when PJ isnt in the mood for yet another threesome he lets the dog sleep on the bed.

Lots of dog owners like their bestie to sleep on the bed with them.

Cushie Butterfield

Nermal wrote:

Perhaps he's just lax changing the sheets?

He was just back from being on tour in RSA, someone else could have used his bed during this time. Alternatively, as you say it could have been there since before he went away.

Either way it’s irrelevant to the case.

Nermal

tretorn wrote: »

He had blood on his fingers the night he was accused of rape, he testified he thought it was period blood, it didnt occur to him that anything he was doing had caused the blood.

Can we change the thread title to 'The Red Hand of Ulster'?

FrancieBrady

Mrsmum wrote: »

Is this a guessing game. I've one - maybe pj doesn't think it's good sex unless she's bleeding.

It's entirely possible, but even that would not be relevant to the case.

foxyladyxx

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Red meat, them rugby players ate it in their sleep!

I happen to know that PJ likes his steak rare

SeanW

jm08 wrote: »

It has long been recognised that women are reluctant to press rape charges. Although they are protected in relation to publicity, they still have to be prepared to testify in court, and be prepared to endure the embarrassment of being cross-examined by a defence team that will invariably seek to discredit the victim.
Statistics can be massaged in different ways, but no matter how the figures are presented in relation to rape cases, the rate of conviction appears pathetic.

First of all, before a guilty verdict there is no "victim" there is only an ALLEGED victim. ALLEGED. As to all that stuff about being "cross examined by a defense team" that's called having a fair trial. The right to face ones accuser and to robustly challenge their claims is a requirement for due process.

jm08 wrote: »

She was drunk/drugged. Couldn't even remember it. The two men should not have been allowed testify to the jury on previous sexual history.

So the defence should not be allowed to question the evidence?

Evans and his friend gave their account of the night. Among other things, they said - truthfully - that she said stuff to them like "f me harder". The prosecution stated that this was not true because she would not have said that. But it was the prosecutions' statements that were not true, and it was necessary to delve into the so-called "victim"s personal history to refute the FALSE statements by the prosecution in the original trial. I.E. their claim that she made certain statements was found to be much more credible given that history.

Had Ched Evans defense team not been able to introduce that evidence, an innocent man would still be in jail. Why do you want that?

jm08 wrote: »

The complainant didn't remember having sex with them as she blacked out. Others testified that she was falling around the place with glazed eyes.

Yet, she was on CCTV walking unaided in high heels, holding a pizza box with one had underneath, and rejecting the advances of men she was not interested. And witnesses that contradicted the story to say she seemed OK, no cause for concern. A functional alcoholic perhaps? Seems to hold her drink well? I don't know, but it does give rise to reasonable belief of consent. Thus Ched Evans is innocent.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/14/ched-evans-trial-showed-how-complainants-are-still-put-in-the-dock

Ah, yes, the Graunaid. The Left's equivalent of Breitbart.

jm08 wrote: »

The UK has the lowest conviction rate of rape in Europe. As I've posted, NI has a conviction rate of 2% and France has a conviction rate of 25%. Are you claiming that rape rarely happens in Northern Ireland and those that do report it and their cases are brought to court were doing it for the crack?

Maybe the UKs conviction rate would be higher if they didn't prosecute on the basis of patent nonsense like the pack of lies that was the Mark Pearson case.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3435317/Tried-sex-crime-brushed-past-film-star-rush-hour.html

As it happened, there was CCTV evidence covering the entire incident from start to finish, i.e. the half second where Mark Pearson was walking past his alleged victim, at full walking speed never stopping, with one hand on his newspaper and the other holding the strap of his backpack. The allegations against him were flat out lies yet he was taken to trial. He was cleared only because the evidence proved him innocent. That's probably one of the reasons why the conviction rate is so low - so many falsely accused men like Mark Pearson being tried on the basis of lies and garbage.

The real problem according to feminists is too many not-guilty verdicts - like Mark Pearson.

tretorn

The judge said the men were of good character.

I think not changing your sheets is evidence you arent really of good character, its a bit slovenly.

This trial though wasnt about dereliction of housekeeping duties, thankfully.

Pj needs to find a good woman to settle down with and to keep house for him.

She can throw the bedsheets in with his rugby gear, hopefully he will be back doing what PJ does best shortly.

Fann Linn

Happy4all wrote: »

a threesome with a dog?

you're some sick bastard

I think that happened in Limerick.

Happy4all

Fann Linn wrote: »

I think that happened in Limerick.

Thomond Park?

RabbleRouser2k

Silentcorner wrote: »

I didn't think it was possible, but it seems both sides are even more entrenched than they were this morning....

Irish Rugby, and Ulster Rugby are in a very very difficult situation...

The more it comes out, the more the guys don't look very good-from a moralistic point of view, not from a jury chosen point of view. The behaviour afterwards, and the aspect of the sheets is very concerning.

One could argue the alleged victim felt that more alleged victims might have spoken up-and did not.

This isn't 'boys being boys' or 'men being red blooded men'.

Faugheen wrote: »

Fair enough, but then Judge Patricia Smyth said that the 4 accused were of 'good character' in her charge to the jury. I just think with all the talk of top shaggers and spitroasting and the timing of the video being sent (the next day) would have been somewhat evidential.

Like I said, I'm not trying to be outraged or anything like that. The video really doesn't make a difference to the verdict in my opinion but it's now a big talking point I think.

'Good character' is a term used for 'no previous convictions'. It doesn't suppose who is or isn't a good person, just that they don't have a record.

The video is gonna give the Irfu more of a headache, and ditto Ulster Rugby. Sharing a video, shot without consent, and, one could potentially argue amounts to 'slut shaming'-again, either or-throws the guys into another bad light. And could amount to a breach of the sports councils terms, among other items that have been unearthed.

Jackson's twitter has lost 100 followers-so seems his support has taken a hit.

Fann Linn

Happy4all wrote: »

Thomond Park?

Why not? If you play rugby and male you're guilty around these parts.