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Discodog

Now we wait for the Russians to say that she is being held against her will.

Elmer Blooker

I must say I am very impressed with her impeccable English! It's even better than mine and I am a native speaker!
NOT a single speling eror eithir from what I can see but what would I know? I'm sure her English is beter than what mine is!

" ...... try to come to terms with the devastation changes thrust upon me ..."
" ..... but at the moment I do not wish to avail myself of their services ..."

https://cdn4.img.sputniknews.com/images/106473/81/1064738130.jpg

Gatling

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I must say I am very impressed with her impeccable English! It's even better than mine and I am a native speaker!
NOT a single speling eror eithir from what I can see but what would I know? I'm sure her English is beter than what mine is!

" ...... try to come to terms with the devastation changes thrust upon me ..."
" ..... but at the moment I do not wish to avail myself of their services ..."

Are you questioning her language skills or intelligence .

She gave video statements in both English and native russian and then wrote a statement in both English and Russian while recorded too .

Don't see where there is an issue

cnocbui

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I must say I am very impressed with her impeccable English! It's even better than mine and I am a native speaker!
NOT a single speling eror eithir from what I can see but what would I know? I'm sure her English is beter than what mine is!

" ...... try to come to terms with the devastation changes thrust upon me ..."
" ..... but at the moment I do not wish to avail myself of their services ..."

https://cdn4.img.sputniknews.com/images/106473/81/1064738130.jpg

I'm impressed with Umberto Eco's command of English also, having read a couple of his books. Pretty good for an Italian - but then again, it could just be had a translator.

Perhaps the translator actually wrote the books and Eco can't write for nuts! I suspect a massive conspiracy.

Elmer Blooker

Gatling wrote: »

Are you questioning her language skills or intelligence .

I am not questioning her intelligence but the standard of English in that letter is suspect.
Yes, I am questioning her language skills. Being able to speak English is one thing but mastering English grammar is a different story altogether.
Nothing added up from Day one and even less is adding up now as far as I'm concerned. So, Vlad wanted her bumped off and now she says she wants to return to Russia one day!

Christy42

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Gatling wrote: »

Are you questioning her language skills or intelligence .

I am not questioning her intelligence but the standard of English in that letter is suspect.
Yes, I am questioning her language skills. Being able to speak English is one thing but mastering English grammar is a different story altogether.
Nothing added up from Day one and even less is adding up now as far as I'm concerned. So, Vlad wanted her bumped off and now she says she wants to return to Russia one day!

She is hardly the first person to learn English to a high standard. Or indeed the first person to ever have someone proof read an important letter for them. I figure you have to be trying really hard to not see that as believable (or just going with whatever the Russian Embassy said last).

Dohnjoe

She is fluent in English and Spanish. She spent part of her childhood in Malta and lived/worked in the UK for awhile. Her father worked for the Brits since the 90s

Dohnjoe

Suspects named

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-45421445

I'm going to hazard a guess that both are in Russia and there is zero chance of them ever going to trial. Case-wise likely a dead end.

mcmoustache

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Suspects named

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-45421445

I'm going to hazard a guess that both are in Russia and there is zero chance of them ever going to trial. Case-wise likely a dead end.

Russia will still deny.

prawnsambo

mcmoustache wrote: »

Russia will still deny.

Russia have already denied and of course have volunteered to help get the culprits.

cnocbui

The UK needs to stop being so gutless and should order Russia to close it's embassy for what is in effect, an act of war. They should have done this over the murder of Litvinenko.

expectationlost

so first I heard that Rowley said he found the bottle in a charity bin, he previously said he couldn't remember where he found it, perhaps he was reluctant to appear to be stealing before, many said the reason you use such a rare poison is to make it clear to any other defectors who had done it, to show it was targeted specifically at one man (and those near him). If they had put the bottle in a ordinary bin it probably wouldn't have been touched by anyone ever again, Putting the bottle in charity bin makes it more likely to contaminate someone else, it seems less precise, it suggests they wanted other people to be poisoned...

you can see the drop off point behind the cancer research site https://www.google.ie/maps/@51.0671862,-1.793229,3a,54.4y,267.67h,87.14t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1ssvFqcdJXR4_e7UGfbwCBzg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DsvFqcdJXR4_e7UGfbwCBzg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D347.06036%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en they had previously took away the rubbish bins but are there donation bins behind the wall? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6019203/Anti-terror-police-investigating-Russian-nerve-agent-attacks-cordon-pub-Salisbury.html http://news.met.police.uk/news/counter-terrorism-police-release-images-of-two-suspects-in-connection-with-salisbury-attack-320534 there was also the barnados near by https://www.google.ie/maps/@51.0677717,-1.793403,3a,29.4y,288.18h,67.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTUjBADgZjL44RlG9oMNEhQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Discodog

expectationlost wrote: »

so first I heard that Rowley said he found the bottle in a charity bin, he previously said he couldn't remember where he found it, perhaps he was reluctant to appear to be stealing before, many said the reason you use such a rare poison is to make it clear to any other defectors who had done it, to show it was targeted specifically at one man (and those near him). If they had put the bottle in a ordinary bin it probably wouldn't have been touched by anyone ever again, Putting the bottle in charity bin makes it more likely to contaminate someone else, it seems less precise, it suggests they wanted other people to be poisoned...

you can see the drop off point behind the cancer research site https://www.google.ie/maps/@51.0671862,-1.793229,3a,54.4y,267.67h,87.14t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1ssvFqcdJXR4_e7UGfbwCBzg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DsvFqcdJXR4_e7UGfbwCBzg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D347.06036%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en they had previously took away the rubbish bins but are there donation bins behind the wall? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6019203/Anti-terror-police-investigating-Russian-nerve-agent-attacks-cordon-pub-Salisbury.html http://news.met.police.uk/news/counter-terrorism-police-release-images-of-two-suspects-in-connection-with-salisbury-attack-320534 there was also the barnados near by https://www.google.ie/maps/@51.0677717,-1.793403,3a,29.4y,288.18h,67.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTUjBADgZjL44RlG9oMNEhQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

They were either utterly incompetent or just didn't care. The fact that their mugshots are all over the media is hardly good espionage plus that their movements are now known.

mcmoustache

Discodog wrote: »

They were either utterly incompetent or just didn't care. The fact that their mugshots are all over the media is hardly good espionage plus that their movements are now known.

It was the same with the Livinenko murder. The two who carried it out were very sloppy.

expectationlost

Discodog wrote: »

They were either utterly incompetent or just didn't care. The fact that their mugshots are all over the media is hardly good espionage plus that their movements are now known.

well the point wasn't to hide who did it, as I said.

Discodog

expectationlost wrote: »

well the point wasn't to hide who did it as I said.

I agree. I think it's part of Putin's agenda. He wants the World to know that he can do this with impunity.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Discodog wrote: »

I agree. I think it's part of Putin's agenda. He wants the World to know that he can do this with impunity.

Except he isn’t immune (russia isn’t Israel or the US). When he supposedly acts like this the west imposes economically damaging sanctions.

Gatling

It's all Russophobia according to.


The Russian Ambassador to the United Nations claims Britain has used Salisbury nerve agent attack to "unleash disgusting anti-Russian hysteria."

The federation's permanent representative, Vasily Nebenzya, said the UK's update to the UN was made up of the "same repeated lies" as previous statements about the spy poisoning.


"I'm not going to go through the list of this whole unfounded and mendacious cocktail of facts," he said.

"London needs this story for just one purpose - to unleash a disgusting anti-Russian hysteria and to involve other countries in this hysteria."

Mr Nebenzya told the security council the number of inconsistencies in the latest updates from the UK was "off the charts".


So russia have nothing in reply to the charges other than it's all made up to make us look bad

looksee

Sounds as though they have been taking lessons from Trump.

Edit - or those are the lessons they have been teaching him!

mcmoustache

looksee wrote: »

Sounds as though they have been taking lessons from Trump.

Edit - or those are the lessons they have been teaching him!

From David Shipler, the longtime Moscow correspondent for the New York Times:

A Russian friend explained vranyo this way: ‘You know I’m lying, and I know that you know, and you know that I know that you know, but I go ahead with a straight face, and you nod seriously and take notes.’

That's their foreign policy.

Zubeneschamali

mcmoustache wrote: »

That's their foreign policy.

It's also Sara Huckabee Sanders and the White House Press - she lies, they know and pretend they don't, write it up as "He says she says" and collect their pay.

Discodog

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

It's also Sara Huckabee Sanders and the White House Press - she lies, they know and pretend they don't, write it up as "He says she says" and collect their pay.

Actually her predecessor summed it up well. He pointed out that the press secretary doesn't give their opinion but what they are told to say. If they are told to tell lies, they lie.

The Russian counterpart does the same only her lies are even less credible that Trumps

mcmoustache

Discodog wrote: »

The Russian counterpart does the same only her lies are even less credible that Trumps

With one difference, I think. I have doubts now.


The Russians want you to know that they are lying and that there's nothing that you can do about it.


The more I think about it, SHS is probably doing the same.

prawnsambo

Bellingcat have identified one of the Skripal suspects as a Colonel in the GRU.

Awarded 'Hero of the Russian Federation' in 2014, which would suggest that Putin personally knows him.

mcmoustache

prawnsambo wrote: »

Bellingcat have identified one of the Skripal suspects as a Colonel in the GRU.

Awarded 'Hero of the Russian Federation' in 2014, which would suggest that Putin personally knows him.

While this was obvious, it's nice to have more proof because there are still a lot out there who, for whatever reason, refuse to believe that it could be a Russian operation. On the AH thread, there were heaps of falsehoods being firehosed by Russians and conspiracy theorists:

"It wasn't Novichok"
"If if was Novichok, it war from Porton Town"
"It was false flag"
"Why would the Russians do this? It makes no sense."
"Why no cctv of Skripals coming home?"
"GRU are professionals. They wouldn't fúck up like this"
etc
etc

Now at least, there's very little pretence online that the pictures don't match. Outside a few snarky "Elliot Higgins LOL" type responses, this issue now seems to be getting ignored by the Russians and conspiracy theorists.

Franz Von Peppercorn

mcmoustache wrote: »

While this was obvious, it's nice to have more proof because there are still a lot out there who, for whatever reason, refuse to believe that it could be a Russian operation. On the AH thread, there were heaps of falsehoods being firehosed by Russians and conspiracy theorists:

"It wasn't Novichok"
"If if was Novichok, it war from Porton Town"
"It was false flag"
"Why would the Russians do this? It makes no sense."
"Why no cctv of Skripals coming home?"
"GRU are professionals. They wouldn't fúck up like this"
etc
etc

Now at least, there's very little pretence online that the pictures don't match. Outside a few snarky "Elliot Higgins LOL" type responses, this issue now seems to be getting ignored by the Russians and conspiracy theorists.

In fact the Russian actions here were very odd and very amateur, and the first casualty of war ( and Syria is a proxy war between the west and Russia) is the truth.

Turns out the Russians look like they were that dumb - run a botched assassination attempt a few months before the World Cup.

mcmoustache

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

In fact the Russian actions here were very odd and very amateur, and the first casualty of war ( and Syria is a proxy war between the west and Russia) is the truth.

Turns out the Russians look like they were that dumb - run a botched assassination attempt a few months before the World Cup.

They must have been distracted by the spire in Salisbury Cathedral. Did you know that it's 123 metres tall?

Gatling

mcmoustache wrote: »

While this was obvious, it's nice to have more proof because there are still a lot out there who, for whatever reason, refuse to believe that it could be a Russian operation. On the AH thread, there were heaps of falsehoods being firehosed by Russians and conspiracy theorists:

"It wasn't Novichok"
"If if was Novichok, it war from Porton Town"
"It was false flag"
"Why would the Russians do this? It makes no sense."
"Why no cctv of Skripals coming home?"
"GRU are professionals. They wouldn't fúck up like this"
etc
etc

And it's the same few posters over and over ,you imagine they would have given up the ghost at this point rather than dragging the whole conspiracy theories and Russophobia

FreudianSlippers

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I must say I am very impressed with her impeccable English! It's even better than mine and I am a native speaker!
NOT a single speling eror eithir from what I can see but what would I know? I'm sure her English is beter than what mine is!

" ...... try to come to terms with the devastation changes thrust upon me ..."
" ..... but at the moment I do not wish to avail myself of their services ..."

https://cdn4.img.sputniknews.com/images/106473/81/1064738130.jpg

For everyone taking this seriously, I genuinely think this post is supposed to be parody?

Gatling

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

For everyone taking this seriously, I genuinely think this post is supposed to be parody?

Oh no Elmer was /actually very much serious when it comes to the defence of russia