The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

AnneFrank

Putinbot wrote: »

Poll results

I do agree with this poll, and that the yes side is far ahead and it should pass, but then I thought the Ssm referendum would be a landslide but it was closer than the polls showed.When you look how people who have doubts are attacked here, you realise people withdraw from debate and will be all nice to canvassers who harass them in their own home, but then vote no.

RobertKK

RobertKK wrote: »

Why would anyone bring up something I can't discuss, I had people tell me I should be this and that about it tonight, I can't respond, but it hasn't stopped people bringing it up again and again tonight.

I am giving my opinion, other people are being nasty as there is no reason to bring up something I can't discuss unless someone wants me to discuss it as accusations are made.

The mod did say you were posting un factual statements. Stop scaremongering perhaps and have a proper discussion, and dynying something happened then maybe people won't bring it up

You stated over a month ago that people didn't want to vote on the poll because they would be bullied for doing so. When I pointed out that a member can vote in the poll without actually posting in the thread and that the vote is anonymous, I asked you to provide evidence to support your statement and I'm still waiting on you to provide this.

Still waiting on your evidence that people on here from the repeal side are lying in relation to what we're voting on too.

AnneFrank

amdublin wrote: »

I could be wrong but I believe a mod gave you some guidelines about reporting posts and also how modding works in relation to reported posts.

Playing the victim doesn't really wash imo. There are avenues you can take for posts to be reviewed if you feel there has been a "stupid attack".

Separately I wonder have you had a chance to look at the personal stories from women directly affected and impacted by the 8th amendment on the In Her Shoes page on facebook. Its eye opening and heart breaking.

I believe repealing the 8th amendment is the compassionate thing to do. Let's care for those in crisis. The 8th amendment hurts women.

Please, can you see the irony of this post ?
And i have taken mods advice thank you.

January

AnneFrank wrote: »

Please, can you see the irony of this post ?
And i have taken mods advice thank you.

Again I don't think you understand what irony means...

amdublin

AnneFrank wrote: »

Please, can you see the irony of this post ?
And i have taken mods advice thank you.

If this is a rhetoric question I'm not getting it. Please can you clarify what your point is.

I hope the advice 're your avenue of reporting a post is useful to you rather than aimlessly talking like a victim. There are options available to you.

Ave Sodalis

AnneFrank wrote: »

This has happened repeatedly, and all from the repeal side, you see if you don't agree with them 100% you are an imbecile who needs to be educated, if they can't turn you, they get personal, look at the stupid attack on splinter, it will only hurt their agenda when undecided read it.Read up on the issue and vote with your conscience is my advice, whatever way you wish to vote.

And how would your repeated cries of being bullied, being attacked etc. affect the undecided? Your posts have added very little to the discussion other than playing a victim for yourself and for other posters on the pro-life side, with not a peep out of you when pro-choice posters are being attacked, even though mods are very vigilant on this thread and are quick to ban anyone on either side who have crossed a line. You came into the thread whinging about being bullied, even when people were just asking you if you had anything more to add other than repeated "Save the 8th" posts. As soon as anyone so much as disagrees with either you, or a pro-life poster, you're straight in with the "stop attacking us!" posts.

As has been explained to you many times, this is a discussion forum. You are entitled to your opinion but other people are also entitled to their opinion on your opinion. If you feel there is personal attacks, there is a report button. Before you say it, people have been banned on both sides of the debate when they've crossed the line so you cannot cry about bias from the mods. There just so happens to be more re-regs, bots and trolls on the pro-life side so there is obviously going to be more bans. If there were more on the pro-choice side, there would be more bans on that side.

TL;DR- You are not being bullied. Stop with the victim mentality. Report posts.

swampgas

AnneFrank wrote: »

Please, can you see the irony of this post ?

There is no irony. Someone playing the victim is distinct from people who really are victims of the 8th.

Mind you I'm not sure you really understand what irony is. It's not like silvery and goldy.

Ken.

Mod- Ok guys and girls, ye all know( and some more than others) not to discuss moderation on thread. Quit it now or its thread bans or worse.


10 minute time out so everyone can read this. Ignorance will not be a defence.

Ken.

Mod-Reopened

RobertKK

DubInMeath wrote: »

The mod did say you were posting un factual statements. Stop scaremongering perhaps and have a proper discussion, and dynying something happened then maybe people won't bring it up

You stated over a month ago that people didn't want to vote on the poll because they would be bullied for doing so. When I pointed out that a member can vote in the poll without actually posting in the thread and that the vote is anonymous, I asked you to provide evidence to support your statement and I'm still waiting on you to provide this.

Still waiting on your evidence that people on here from the repeal side are lying in relation to what we're voting on too.

I never said people didn't want to vote on an anonymous poll.

amdublin

The crazy thing is that if the 8th is repealed, there is no impact or change for the people who are against it.

But. For the people who need abortion and maternity healthcare here in Ireland the change and impact is immense.

Repeal the 8th
Trust women to deal with their own personal medical care.

Bredabe

I cant find the post now, but I read one about how ppl would feel if they saw the other applications of the 8th.
Here is my experience of it.
14 year old, throwing up and passing out with period pain every month, refused meds as it was against the law then, same person as a grown up, told she could only be prescribed OTC painkillers for a very very painful shoulder condition in case she got pregnant while she was taking the proper meds, despite being not sexually active for years, when this was queried was told the guidelines not clear so they err on the side of caution.

My daughter being refused a scan on her back, 6 times, as she was outside the LMP requirements, she has irregular periods anyway, and a dip test was declared to be not acceptable.

My colleague who starting miscarrying in Malta travelled to Italy and fell into the conscious objection trap from gynaes there. Finally making it to Ireland to bleed for another 3 days, so the only option then was to perform a hysterectomy, lose the remaining pregnancies and with it, early menopause.Again the guidelines were too muddied for a clear decision to be made on her case before she was within hours of bleeding out.

For various women, I know who were refused or delayed in getting tubal ligation because of a lack of universal clinical practices about the procedure. An oversite because of clinics not clear on how to proceed within the 8th.

So much pain inflicted for no reason.

amdublin

Shocking Why would we want this inflicted on women. In 1983 it was the unknown. 35 years have shown results. It needs to change.

Zubeneschamali

amdublin wrote: »

In 1983 it was the unknown. 35 years have shown results..

We knew it would be a disaster and people would die.

amdublin

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

We knew it would be a disaster and people would die.

Well yes. Agree. Some people did.

But some people voted for it as it "sounded" reasonable. It has shown to be
Unworkable
Dangerous and unsafe
Callous

posturingpat

Any date declared yet?

Ave Sodalis

posturingpat wrote: »

Any date declared yet?

May 25th

January

posturingpat wrote: »

Any date declared yet?

May 25th

RobertKK

Quote:
Originally Posted by Conspectus
Mod-Please move on from discussing mod actions. Ye all know that is not allowed. Also stop discussing a users old accounts. I'm deleting the off topic stuff now. Back to the debate please.

Must say I'm surprised how the poll is turning out.

RobertKK wrote: »

Not really surprised, it is hostile around here towards people who support retain and it doesn't encourage people to enter the topic to post their views.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=106478271&postcount=567

This was the post I was referring to, and I took your reply to include the poll given the OP you quoted I replied to you that you can vote in the poll without posting in the thread.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=106478300&postcount=569

If I took you up wrong you have my apologies.

mohawk

I hadn't realised that Liverpool Women's Hospital has reduced access for self-referrals.I found out this evening while reading in her shoes Facebook page.

For those who may not know this is usually where Irish couples go for abortions in cases of FFA. Basically any Irish families in this situation right now don't really have anywhere to go.

Found an article confirming same https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/british-hospital-cuts-abortion-services-to-irish-women-1.3431919

mohawk

mohawk wrote: »

I hadn't realised that Liverpool Women's Hospital has reduced access for self-referrals.I found out this evening while reading in her shoes Facebook page.

For those who may not know this is usually where Irish couples go for abortions in cases of FFA. Basically any Irish families in this situation right now don't really have anywhere to go.

Found an article confirming same https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/british-hospital-cuts-abortion-services-to-irish-women-1.3431919

That is frightening, and proof that exporting our problems doesn't work. Feel so sorry for anyone in that situation at the moment.

January

mohawk wrote: »

I hadn't realised that Liverpool Women's Hospital has reduced access for self-referrals.I found out this evening while reading in her shoes Facebook page.

For those who may not know this is usually where Irish couples go for abortions in cases of FFA. Basically any Irish families in this situation right now don't really have anywhere to go.

Found an article confirming same https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/british-hospital-cuts-abortion-services-to-irish-women-1.3431919

Yeah I posted about this earlier on in this thread they should never have had to look after our people anyway but they did. Its horrible they're in this predicoment

Juran

amdublin wrote: »

The crazy thing is that if the 8th is repealed, there is no impact or change for the people who are against it.

But. For the people who need abortion and maternity healthcare here in Ireland the change and impact is immense.

Repeal the 8th
Trust women to deal with their own personal medical care.

I totally agree with you ..... just take a look at this photo from RTE news this morning .. look at the audience  - everyone looks to be over 60, and most of them men! 
[font=montserrat, sans-serif]Hundreds attend pro-retain event in Co Mayo[/font]
https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0422/956321-social-democrats/

dudara

I’m seeing reports on Twitter this morning that ”Yes” posters have been completely removed in areas of the city. If true, that’s a horrible act.

http://twitter.com/YvieNi/status/988176133865820162

http://twitter.com/thomasbibby/status/988297276547362816

http://twitter.com/davidtobin100/status/988142036036542464

January

A fingal worker was photographed removing just yes posters in Dublin over the weekend also. Didnt remove no posters even if they were on same lampost. He was in a fingal work van.

Igotadose

Recently there was an item in the news about a group of 100 solicitors and barristers signing a letter advocating against repealing the 8th.

Anyone know where one can obtain a copy of such a letter? I'd like to see who signed it. A few names were mentioned, 4 or 5. But not all. Google's not helping.

Thanks

posturingpat

I have to laugh at the guy saying get on the vote Yes train if you don't like that some posters were taken down :pac:

Sure who wants informed voters making decisions rationally on the facts and their personal morals

gmisk

Igotadose wrote: »

Recently there was an item in the news about a group of 100 solicitors and barristers signing a letter advocating against repealing the 8th.

Anyone know where one can obtain a copy of such a letter? I'd like to see who signed it. A few names were mentioned, 4 or 5. But not all. Google's not helping.

Thanks

I saw it at one stage... Will see if I can track it down... Someone did some research and about half the people on it are neither...

Edit list is here
https://www.save8.ie/100_lawyers

Example of how it's full of holes... Hilariously Cora Sherlock... Isn't even a registered solicitor

Hammer Archer

Last week there was a thread about No posters being vandalized and there were heaps of people coming on and saying stuff like "I was going to vote yes, but the yes sides antics have changed my mind".
I'm sure these same people will have their mind changed back now that Yes posters are being removed. Right? Right?????

Annasopra

RobertKK wrote: »

No, it is a general block of pro-retain the 8th people, one doesn't have to be offensive, abusive or troll to get on the repeal shield list.
It is is just a censor for people who only want to hear people who agree with them, to confirm their opinion, with opposing opinion blocked out so they can live in their bubble.
I think it will be a shock when the repeal the 8th fails for the people who used the repeal shield as they will have kept themselves in ignorance of the other side.

To be fair a lot of the repeal shield blocked accounts are bots with nasty graphic imagery. Completely understandsble why it is used. Why would anyone subject themselves to graphic imagery bot attack?