Sex offenders register after being sent a video

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/suspended-sentence-for-man-who-had-video-showing-childs-rape-832795.html

Does this not appear harsh a first glance? The guy was sent a pornographic video of a young child. He hadn’t searched or asked for it, nor did he send it on. It was discovered in his possession by chance, and although he could’ve deleted it, for whatever reason he chose not to. Now he’s on the sex offenders register.

linpoo

I feel sick to my stomach after reading that

amcalester

If someone sent me a video of a child under 5 being raped I’d go straight to the police to report it.

He claims he forgot it was on his phone, how the fûck do you forget something like that?

He hung onto a video of a child being raped? So he was in possession of material that is against the law to be in possession of. Most people wouldn't walk around with a clip of a young child being raped on their phone. Most people would report the person who sent it to the police. If you're a consumer of stuff like that, you're responsible for making a market for it.

He only got a suspended sentence, he's not even going to jail for it.

I don't think it's harsh enough.

Jim Bob Scratcher

A woman sent him the clip apparently, that makes it even more disturbing.

The_Valeyard

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/suspended-sentence-for-man-who-had-video-showing-childs-rape-832795.html

Does this not appear harsh a first glance? The guy was sent a pornographic video of a young child. He hadn’t searched or asked for it, nor did he send it on. It was discovered in his possession by chance, and although he could’ve deleted it, for whatever reason he chose not to. Now he’s on the sex offenders register.

Nah, f*ck him.

He didnt report the vid to anyone AND kept the video on his phone. If he was so disgusted by it, It would be instantly deleted and reported to whatsapp about abusive video been sent and that he hadnt requested it.

kylith

Hilda Johnson wrote: »

What about the woman? Who sends out kiddie porn to warn about the danger in the world??

IKR? ‘Oh, I met this guy a week ago, I must send him this video I just happen to have of a small child being raped’.

As others have said in other threads, calling it child porn is a misnomer. It's a video of child abuse or rape, it's not porn.

Whoever the woman was, she needs some attention too. You can warn people of dangers without doing that.

retro:electro

Erm no and quite frankly I don’t believe his story. Any normal rational person would be horrified and show the Guards. Not casually keep it on their phone and carry on as normal like you weren’t just sent child abuse by someone you barely know.

Jim Bob Scratcher

Hilda Johnson wrote: »

What about the woman? Who sends out kiddie porn to warn about the danger in the world??

women are always innocent, even when guilty

neonsofa

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

women are always innocent, even when guilty

She has pleaded guilty and is due to be sentenced, no?

HONKEY TONK

Gardaí. He imposed a one-year suspended sentence,

saying Ajibola did not “search out” the clip, download it or share it.

Was he caught with the video downloaded on his phone or a Whatapp link to a video?

FCIM

There are numerous ways he could have reported it. Could have gone straight to the police, could have reported it through Whatsapp, there's even an online service for reporting stuff like that which *cough* a friend *cough* used in the past after having coming across unsavoury stuff during a search for legitimate adult material. What you don't do is keep it, and if you're as disgusted by it as he claims to have been, why did he not do what anybody else would do and delete it and block the sender who he knew for all of a week. Most normal person would be instantly suspicious upon receipt of such material anyway because most normal people would upon hearing or seeing such content, tell their family and friends about it but certainly wouldn't forward it on.

Jim Bob Scratcher

neonsofa wrote: »

She has pleaded guilty and is due to be sentenced, no?

Where does it say that?

neonsofa

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Where does it say that?

In the article.

FCIM

Candie wrote: »

As others have said in other threads, calling it child porn is a misnomer. It's a video of child abuse or rape, it's not porn.

Whoever the woman was, she needs some attention too. You can warn people of dangers without doing that.

I understand and agree in principle with your thinking but in that case, child porn doesn't exist because in each and every case it is abuse and rape. I certainly don't believe that porn is seedy if used appropriately and I would very much distance the stuff found on the popular tube sites from what is termed child pornography. I think the term pornography is debatable though as it is the interest it arouses in the user rather than the actual content which deems it pornographic or not.

Jim Bob Scratcher

neonsofa wrote: »

In the article.

Sorry you're right, too many jameson's here :pac:

neonsofa

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Sorry you're right, too many jameson's here :pac:

Happens to the best of us :pac:

splinter65

amcalester wrote: »

If someone sent me a video of a child under 5 being raped I’d go straight to the police to report it.

He claims he forgot it was on his phone, how the fûck do you forget something like that?

****ing nonsense. I’d have rang 999 if someone sent me something like that.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/suspended-sentence-for-man-who-had-video-showing-childs-rape-832795.html

Does this not appear harsh a first glance? The guy was sent a pornographic video of a young child. He hadn’t searched or asked for it, nor did he send it on. It was discovered in his possession by chance, and although he could’ve deleted it, for whatever reason he chose not to. Now he’s on the sex offenders register.

Who the hell doesn't delete such a video if they didn't search for it etc, and why didn't he report it to his ISP, or mail provider and more importantly the guards. He would have to be a complete ****ing idiot not to, and I mean mentally retarded.

Given that deleted files can be recovered until the drive sectors are completely overwritten, I'd be formatting and rewriting the drive like hell just in case if I ever received something like this. Either that or it'd be killed with fire.

Sort of reminds me of a customer of a company I used to work for. He logged a call saying his computer was slow and affecting business, our software was ****, leaving us to go to the competition etc.
Arrived down and the HD was nearly full, given I'd only installed the machine three months before started checking and the drive it was 70% full of porn (adults only from what I could tell).

Said well there's your problem and by the way you also have X number of virus infections on the machine also so I going to have to scan every machine on the network. Acted all embarrassed etc then, outraged as the call was now chargeable by the hour (always late paying his bills) and said he was going to murder his son who he let use the machine. All during this I noticed one of the staff trying not to laugh, tured out his son was in Australia and had been for the last nine months.

LadyMacBeth_

Fair enough this guy didn't ask for the video or share it but why did he keep it? Who forgets that they have a video of a child being raped on their phone?

He could have gone to the guards about it but maybe with his previous convictions he decided to avoid any trouble which I can understand but I can't understand keeping the video.

His sentence was suspended in fairness. I'm not sure if he should be on the sex offenders' register but I also think the circumstances of this situation are more than a bit odd.

I can't understand what motivated the woman to send it to him in the first place. As a warning seems like a bizarre reason.

I guess the guards could read the context in which the video was sent though by checking his whatsapp conversations. I wonder if there is a way that they can check how many times he watched the video to see if it really was just once?

FCIM

LadyMacBeth_ wrote: »

Fair enough this guy didn't ask for the video or share it but why did he keep it? Who forgets that they have a video of a child being raped on their phone?

He could have gone to the guards about it but maybe with his previous convictions he decided to avoid any trouble which I can understand but I can't understand keeping the video.

His sentence was suspended in fairness. I'm not sure if he should be on the sex offenders' register but I also think the circumstances of this situation are more than a bit odd.

I can't understand what motivated the woman to send it to him in the first place. As a warning seems like a bizarre reason.

I guess the guards could read the context in which the video was sent though by checking his whatsapp conversations. I wonder if there is a way that they can check how many times he watched the video to see if it really was just once?

Smacks of the tip of an iceberg to me. Yeah, it could happen that somebody sent you a child porn video out of the blue but I'd suggest it's highly unlikely. I'd say 99.9% of people know that that kind of stuff is highly illegal and even if their motives were genuine would be extremely hesitant to be seen as circulating that kind of stuff. Also, about the same percentage of people would know the probable reaction of the recipient is to at the very least block them and with an extreme probability that they would report it in some way. Certainly, if you came across stuff like that a lot of people would tell family and friends but the key word is tell with tell including how physically and mentally repulsed and scarred by seeing it they were. The fact she received it in the first place, then thought it was a good idea to send it to him with him then choosing neither to report it nor to delete it nor to block her makes it seem like these are at the lower edge of a ring in my opinion.

TheChizler

Candie wrote: »

He hung onto a video of a child being raped? So he was in possession of material that is against the law to be in possession of. Most people wouldn't walk around with a clip of a young child being raped on their phone. Most people would report the person who sent it to the police. If you're a consumer of stuff like that, you're responsible for making a market for it.

He only got a suspended sentence, he's not even going to jail for it.

I don't think it's harsh enough.

I dunno, a lot of people don't realise when you view something on your phone it can be cached or saved to the filesystem by default. Several people have given me their phones to free up storage and they have several hundred megabytes of photos and videos sent through whatsapp that they thought were gone. I'd hardly call him a consumer for that reason alone.

LadyMacBeth_

LadyMacBeth_ wrote: »

Fair enough this guy didn't ask for the video or share it but why did he keep it? Who forgets that they have a video of a child being raped on their phone?

He could have gone to the guards about it but maybe with his previous convictions he decided to avoid any trouble which I can understand but I can't understand keeping the video.

His sentence was suspended in fairness. I'm not sure if he should be on the sex offenders' register but I also think the circumstances of this situation are more than a bit odd.

I can't understand what motivated the woman to send it to him in the first place. As a warning seems like a bizarre reason.

I guess the guards could read the context in which the video was sent though by checking his whatsapp conversations. I wonder if there is a way that they can check how many times he watched the video to see if it really was just once?

If stored locally, no unless auditing is enabled to my knowledge, otherwise you just have the last accessed date.
If hosted online and I don't think it was then it would be possible, but the police would have to get access, or assistance from the owners of the server.

Katgurl

No I am delighted they have taken it seriously.

These crimes against children are heinous but it's all the cover-ups and turning a blind eye for the last few decades which have allowed them happen.

Vronsky

splinter65 wrote: »

****ing nonsense. I’d have rang 999 if someone sent me something like that.

By all means report it to the guards (although you'll probably bring heat on yourself) but it's not an emergency so you shouldn't call 999.

splinter65

Vronsky wrote: »

By all means report it to the guards (although you'll probably bring heat on yourself) but it's not an emergency so you shouldn't call 999.

I exaggerated there alright . But I would be ringing the Garda station more or less instantly.

FCIM

Katgurl wrote: »

No I am delighted they have taken it seriously.

These crimes against children are heinous but it's all the cover-ups and turning a blind eye for the last few decades which have allowed them happen.

It sounds bizarre but there was actually a paedophile pressure group which received governmental funding in the UK in the seventies and eighties. Thankfully, we've come a long way since then.

qwerty ui op

Vronsky wrote: »

By all means report it to the guards (although you'll probably bring heat on yourself) but it's not an emergency so you shouldn't call 999.

Would you report it to guards?

tretorn

It was a video of a five year old being raped and it lasted five minutes.

He is a father of four which makes it even worse. I hope all his computers were searched.

Wonder why was he questioned in the airport in the first place and how did he come to be in this country.

There arefar too many of these non nationals appearing before our courts on unsavoury sex charges. I hope someone is keeping a track of each one convicted and their nationality.( before they came to be New Irish)

splinter65

qwerty ui op wrote: »

Would you report it to guards?

Possession of child pornography is against the law.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1998/act/22/enacted/en/html

So yes if it’s been distributed to me unsolicited I’m going to report it to the Garda.

bear1

I once opened rotten.com back in the early 00s and i still remember what I saw.
How in the name of fook could you forget, I repeat FORGET that you have a video of a 5 year old victim, life and innocence destroyed, on your phone graphically being raped by a piece of **** excuse of a man?
Bull****.

qwerty ui op

tretorn wrote: »

It was a video of a five year old being raped and it lasted five minutes.

He is a father of four which makes it even worse. I hope all his computers were searched.

Wonder why was he questioned in the airport in the first place and how did he come to be in this country.

There arefar too many of these non nationals appearing before our courts on unsavoury sex charges. I hope someone is keeping a track of each one convicted and their nationality.( before they came to be New Irish)

Child rape and here you go, do you guys ever let up, seriously you're disgusting.
Over the last few years a number of people have been caught with child porn in my region and they all just happen to be Irish and the kinda people you'd least expect. Nationality has **** all to do with it.

kirving

I'm not condoning it in any way, shape, or form, but I regularly find dozens of pictures and videos which have been sent across various WhatsApp groups that I have zero recollection of ever seeing, they're just there after being sent. Nothing illegal I might add.

Then they're on Google Photo's, then they're on my PC, then they're on my dad's tablet I once logged in on and never logged out of. You get the idea.

He should have done something after receiving it, deleting at the minimum, but his story absolutely is not beyond reasonable doubt.

MilesMorales1

Kevin Irving wrote: »

I'm not condoning it in any way, shape, or form, but I regularly find dozens of pictures and videos which have been sent across various WhatsApp groups that I have zero recollection of ever seeing, they're just there after being sent. Nothing illegal I might add.

Then they're on Google Photo's, then they're on my PC, then they're on my dad's tablet I once logged in on and never logged out of. You get the idea.

He should have done something after receiving it, deleting at the minimum, but his story absolutely is not beyond reasonable doubt.

Yeahhhhh but child rape isn't like, a dumb video or meme. That would surely stand out a bit to either burn the ****ing thing off your phone, or report it to the Garda.

tretorn

qwerty ui op wrote: »

Child rape and here you go, do you guys ever let up, seriously you're disgusting.
Over the last few years a number of people have been caught with child porn in my region and they all just happen to be Irish and the kinda people you'd least expect. Nationality has **** all to do with it.

Dont you think we have enough of our own deviants without importing more.

No one should be allowed into this country unless they have documentation to prove who they are and they can shown they have no history of sexual deviancy.

There is a non stop procession of non nationals in our Courts on serious sexual assault charges and their defence is funded by the free legal aid service.

I am sick reading about them and their depraved attitudes to women and children. As I said the ethnic origins of those convicted should be noted as it definitely appears that the numbers of immigrants appearing in Court are too high in relation to their numbers in the country.

Gatling

This is the second case involving the Same video , both received light sentences ,

Prison time followed by immediate deportation back to Nigeria for both offender's

Gatling

Gatling wrote: »

This is the second case involving the Same video , both received light sentences ,

Prison time followed by immediate deportation back to Nigeria for both offender's

Who was the first case

blanch152

FCIM wrote: »

Smacks of the tip of an iceberg to me. Yeah, it could happen that somebody sent you a child porn video out of the blue but I'd suggest it's highly unlikely. I'd say 99.9% of people know that that kind of stuff is highly illegal and even if their motives were genuine would be extremely hesitant to be seen as circulating that kind of stuff. Also, about the same percentage of people would know the probable reaction of the recipient is to at the very least block them and with an extreme probability that they would report it in some way. Certainly, if you came across stuff like that a lot of people would tell family and friends but the key word is tell with tell including how physically and mentally repulsed and scarred by seeing it they were. The fact she received it in the first place, then thought it was a good idea to send it to him with him then choosing neither to report it nor to delete it nor to block her makes it seem like these are at the lower edge of a ring in my opinion.

Tip of the iceberg is right.

There is an awful lot in this area that is unprovable. That sometimes benefits the criminal or perverted mind. Sometimes, however, the gardai need to prosecute on what they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt, not on what they believe happened on a balance of probabilities.

Irish Guitarist

I don't believe him for a second. How could anyone watch a video of a child being raped and forget about it?

This Nigerian Prince should be deported.

qwerty ui op

tretorn wrote: »

Dont you think we have enough of our own deviants without importing more.

No one should be allowed into this country unless they have documentation to prove who they are and they can shown they have no history of sexual deviancy.

There is a non stop procession of non nationals in our Courts on serious sexual assault charges and their defence is funded by the free legal aid service.

I am sick reading about them and their depraved attitudes to women and children. As I said the ethnic origins of those convicted should be noted as it definitely appears that the numbers of immigrants appearing in Court are too high in relation to their numbers in the country.

It's easy to turn almost every topic around to focus on your own little fears, this thread is about child porn and pedophilia.
Is it not, the cloak of respectability that posses the real danger? but as always you'll have those who are blinded by their irrational fear of the other, fear of change, so they go down the complete wrong road and more likely to put their own loved ones in harms way.

Guy:Incognito

Kevin Irving wrote: »

I'm not condoning it in any way, shape, or form, but I regularly find dozens of pictures and videos which have been sent across various WhatsApp groups that I have zero recollection of ever seeing, they're just there after being sent. Nothing illegal I might add.

Then they're on Google Photo's, then they're on my PC, then they're on my dad's tablet I once logged in on and never logged out of. You get the idea.

He should have done something after receiving it, deleting at the minimum, but his story absolutely is not beyond reasonable doubt.

This wasn't a picture sent in a group chat that you have muted and never saw. It's a video of child abuse that he acknowledges he knew he received , from an individual, and says he forgot about.

Cutie 3.14

bear1 wrote: »

I once opened rotten.com back in the early 00s and i still remember what I saw.
How in the name of fook could you forget, I repeat FORGET that you have a video of a 5 year old victim, life and innocence destroyed, on your phone graphically being raped by a piece of **** excuse of a man?
Bull****.

+1 on this.

Kevin Irving wrote: »

I'm not condoning it in any way, shape, or form, but I regularly find dozens of pictures and videos which have been sent across various WhatsApp groups that I have zero recollection of ever seeing, they're just there after being sent. Nothing illegal I might add.

Then they're on Google Photo's, then they're on my PC, then they're on my dad's tablet I once logged in on and never logged out of. You get the idea.

He should have done something after receiving it, deleting at the minimum, but his story absolutely is not beyond reasonable doubt.

Bullsh!te. Hes a lying scumbag.

I remember back in the day when Chatroulette and Omegle were new enough on the scene and a bit of a novelty, I was having a gander when up popped my next video chatter. But it wasn't a person* , it was a grainy low resolution video on the screen that I couldn't quite make out.

So I was squinting and moving my head closer to my screen when after about 10 seconds I realised what I was looking at. The sick bastard was showing a video of a child getting abused.
The second I realised I got such a fright it felt like my heart was jumping out of my chest and I was shouting all sorts of incoherent sh!t in horror and disgust and shut the laptop down and didn't go on the internet for the rest of the evening.....or sleep properly that night.

Roughly 10 seconds is all I saw and I'll never ever forget it.
So yeah, hes lying.

Although could different cultures and attitudes be argued here? Not that im excusing his behaviour for even a second.


* I know, mickeys galore on that thing

pickarooney

How does someone with 5 recent convictions get a suspended sentence. Or for that matter someone with a conviction for an immigration offence get through the airport?

Is a suspended sentence not usually for a first time offence to ensure you don't do it again? After 6 times surely you've had your chance.
And your horse**** stories should be taken with a bag of salt.

2 Scoops

Can't believe some people believe these sob stories, or the courts for that matter.

degsie

DubInMeath wrote: »

Who was the first case

Who was on first.

El Horseboxo

Hey may not have searched for it... In this instance. People don't just randomly send friends videos like that unless they know their audience. I work in law enforcement in a missing children capacity and this world often surfaces. I've come across this excuse lots of times.

"Oh I never searched for it", "It was sent to me by mistake", "I forgot to delete it after a friend used my phone" etc. In the US we'll get a warrant to search other personal devices. And more often than not. We'll find lots of similar material or a disturbing search history.

Decent people do the right thing. You don't forget to delete something like that or ignore reporting it. You keep it for a reason. Should be able to tell how many times it was viewed on the device. I know our tech guys can do stuff like that.

kirving

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Yeahhhhh but child rape isn't like, a dumb video or meme. That would surely stand out a bit to either burn the ****ing thing off your phone, or report it to the Garda.

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

This wasn't a picture sent in a group chat that you have muted and never saw. It's a video of child abuse that he acknowledges he knew he received , from an individual, and says he forgot about.

Cutie 3.14 wrote: »

+1 on this.

Bullsh!te. Hes a lying scumbag.

Agreed, for what it's worth I don't believe him either, and I said at minimum he should have deleted it.

My point was that it's not beyond reasonable doubt that his story could be true - in which case sending him to prison is the wrong thing to do. The only evidence we have is that this guy is a complete idiot as opposed to malicious distributor or collector of material.

inforfun

El Horseboxo wrote: »

Hey may not have searched for it... In this instance. People don't just randomly send friends videos like that unless they know their audience. I work in law enforcement in a missing children capacity and this world often surfaces. I've come across this excuse lots of times.

"Oh I never searched for it", "It was sent to me by mistake", "I forgot to delete it after a friend used my phone" etc. In the US we'll get a warrant to search other personal devices. And more often than not. We'll find lots of similar material or a disturbing search history.

Decent people do the right thing. You don't forget to delete something like that or ignore reporting it. You keep it for a reason. Should be able to tell how many times it was viewed on the device. I know our tech guys can do stuff like that.

About 10 years ago a guy in The Netherlands got away with possession of child porn with exactly that excuse "I dint know it was on my pc, i never looked for it" and claimed it must have ended up there while browsing sexsites with adults only.

How he run into trouble was already a head scratcher as his pc was found dumped at the side of the street as garbage. Some guy picked it up and delivered it to a crime reporter who went to have a look.

He claimed he got rid of the pc because it had a virus.
I suppose the reason they didnt prosecute him had absolutely nothing to do with the fact he was a prosecutor himself....
PC not only contained the pics but also files of cases he dealt with in court.

FCIM

Cutie 3.14 wrote: »

+1 on this.






Bullsh!te. Hes a lying scumbag.

I remember back in the day when Chatroulette and Omegle were new enough on the scene and a bit of a novelty, I was having a gander when up popped my next video chatter. But it wasn't a person* , it was a grainy low resolution video on the screen that I couldn't quite make out.

So I was squinting and moving my head closer to my screen when after about 10 seconds I realised what I was looking at. The sick bastard was showing a video of a child getting abused.
The second I realised I got such a fright it felt like my heart was jumping out of my chest and I was shouting all sorts of incoherent sh!t in horror and disgust and shut the laptop down and didn't go on the internet for the rest of the evening.....or sleep properly that night.

Roughly 10 seconds is all I saw and I'll never ever forget it.
So yeah, hes lying.

Although could different cultures and attitudes be argued here? Not that im excusing his behaviour for even a second.


* I know, mickeys galore on that thing

This.

Different genre of shocking but I obtained a copy of Dabiq. I'm very interested in the Middle East and conflict in general and think to gain a better understanding of anything you need to view both sides of the story (for example, I'm strongly Republican but have read loads of Loyalist and Unionist material). On one of the first pages there was a glossy two page photograph of a beheading and it was beyond gory. I got rid of the copy immediately knowing, that whilst I am interested to know more about the thinking behind Daesh, seeing stuff like that goes beyond the capabilities of my stomach. If I close my eyes, I can still see that picture now as if it was in front of me. Different type of shocking yes, but I think both that and a video of a child being raped are equally as shocking. That's why I believe it is utter horsesh1t that he forgot it was on his phone.

sbsquarepants

Not harsh at all. Fúck him.

Quite the opposite in fact, I'd have jailed him.

What sort of scumbag hold on to something like that. If someone sent that to me I'd bring it straight to the cops. Nobody forgets that they were sent a video of a child being raped.