Skoda Citigo E

liamog

Skoda are planning to release an electrified version of the Citigo.

Plan is to release end of 2019 with a planned range of 300km.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/skoda/citigo/99236/all-electric-skoda-citigo-e-due-in-2019

Given the e-UP! already exists, it's relatively straight forward to see this hit development by 2019. The e-UP! has an 18.7kWh battery using 25Ah PHEV2 cells.

CATL already have 55Ah PHEV2 cells and plan to have 75Ah available by 2019. This should allow the Citigo E to have a 56.6kWh battery in the exact same form factor. The e-UP! has an approx. realistic 100km range (NEDC 160km), a 56.6kWh Citigo E sounds like what's needed for 300km of range.

cros13

SEAT have an e-Mii on the way too for a long time.

goz83

cros13 wrote: »

SEAT have an e-Mii on the way too for a long time.

Might be delayed because of the political upheaval in Barcelona

Great just what the public want, another box to drive, ( Oh look we're making electric cars and no one wants to buy them , ha, told you )

ethernet

Deleted User wrote: »

Great just what the public want, another box to drive, ( Oh look we're making electric cars and no one wants to buy them , ha, told you )

Well the Up/Citigo/Mii are already rather popular. So even an electric version with a fairly low range could go down well - especially as a true city car. Not everyone has an army of kids to stuff into the back!

Shefwedfan

Deleted User wrote: »

Great just what the public want, another box to drive, ( Oh look we're making electric cars and no one wants to buy them , ha, told you )

What would you think if they stuck a REX into it? :P

ted1

Deleted User wrote: »

Great just what the public want, another box to drive, ( Oh look we're making electric cars and no one wants to buy them , ha, told you )

The Renault twingo was a very popular box in the continent. There is a market for boxes

draiochtanois

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80sDiesel

I like the i3. But, it is a box.

Shefwedfan

A little city car with 300KM range is brilliant to be honest. The Leaf range is too small at present so most people buying small cities cars will sometimes need to go outside the city. If you have a range of 300km this will meet most users requirements.

Shefwedfan

80sDiesel wrote: »

I like the i3. But, it is a box.

it is a box with pram wheels

80sDiesel

Shefwedfan wrote: »

80sDiesel wrote: »

I like the i3. But, it is a box.

it is a box with pram wheels

Its why the i3s looks so much better with the larger tyres and arch extensions.

liamog

They're selling around 600 UP/Citigo/Mii per year in Ireland. With 300km range an electric one makes a lot of sense. Pricing will be key. Between purchase price and cost to run it will need to be cheaper over the first three years.

The problem is that I know people want small cars but manufacturers won't make electric passats, passat estates, Golf estates, X-trails, Galaxys , tecsuns, santa-fes , A4's A6, 3 series , 5 series etc which are very popular in Ireland.

Every new EV you hear about is only a small car with the exception possibly of the Model 3.

draiochtanois

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Shefwedfan

Deleted User wrote: »

The problem is that I know people want small cars but manufacturers won't make electric passats, passat estates, Golf estates, X-trails, Galaxys , tecsuns, santa-fes , A4's A6, 3 series , 5 series etc which are very popular in Ireland.

Every new EV you hear about is only a small car with the exception possibly of the Model 3.

The Crossover and small cars are top sellers......

• 1 – Hyundai Tucson.
• 2 – Ford Focus.
• 3 – Toyota Corolla.
• 4 – Ford Fiesta.
• 5 – Volkswagen Golf.
• 6 – Skoda Octavia.
• 7 – Toyota Yaris.
• 8 – Nissan Qashqai.

Lantus

liamog wrote:

Skoda are planning to release an electrified version of the Citigo.

Up and citigo share nearly all bits with other bar the badge. Would be very easy for vw group to roll this out. Great news though.

ei9go

Have driven an E UP and it's a great little car if that suits you.
Only thing wrong is the small battery at present in it.

The only thing wrong with it is the awful removable screen that sits on a stalk on the dashboard so you would have to constantly remove it to prevent it being stolen.

Mancomb Seepgood

For all the talk of city cars that no one wants to buy, I'm not aware of any such car available in Ireland at this time.The e-Up isn't sold here,the iMiev is no longer available (and outdated).This would be a great car if you spend most of your time in an urban area or don't need the space.

Shefwedfan

Mancomb Seepgood wrote: »

For all the talk of city cars that no one wants to buy, I'm not aware of any such car available in Ireland at this time.The e-Up isn't sold here,the iMiev is no longer available (and outdated).This would be a great car if you spend most of your time in an urban area or don't need the space.

Electric autos brought in an e-Up and he talked to me before about an iMiev but it didn't work out in the end.

unkel

Mancomb Seepgood wrote: »

For all the talk of city cars that no one wants to buy, I'm not aware of any such car available in Ireland at this time.The e-Up isn't sold here,the iMiev is no longer available (and outdated).This would be a great car if you spend most of your time in an urban area or don't need the space.

Don't forget the smart for 2 EV!

Also there's a FIAT 500e

You'd need to either import these yourself from the UK, or get someone else (like Phil) to do it for you.

colm_mcm

liamog wrote: »

They're selling around 600 UP/Citigo/Mii per year in Ireland. With 300km range an electric one makes a lot of sense. Pricing will be key. Between purchase price and cost to run it will need to be cheaper over the first three years.

How many of these are rentals though.

liamog

I bought the e-UP! from electric autos, great little car to drive.

It's an ideal size for second car that will be used as a local runaround. I do about 45k a day in mine, it's nippy and well rooted when going round corners, it's way more fun to drive than our Ioniq over short distances.

The 300km range of this new version gives you more than enough range for average daily commutes with plenty to spare, whilst still being able to use the car for those odd journeys to visit further afield relatives. It's a city car, with a range high enough that it can be can be charged every 3 to 4 days on a communal charge point.

This style of car at the right price could really work well for multi occupancy units in the car dependent suburbs.

liamog

More info on the triplets from https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-shots/volkswagen/electric-vw-up-seat-mii-skoda-citigo/

Looks like VAG will be ending production of the triplets ICE versions as it's no longer economical to produce them under new emission targets.
Battery options may be available. The range from the article seems high, I get about 125km from my current 18kWh battery, so change those units to km and your probably not to far off.

24kWh battery 70kW e-motor, 190-mile range
36kWh battery 90kW e-motor, 250-mile range
49kWh battery 110kW e-motor, 310-mile range

The pricing ladder, according to our sources at Wolfsburg, will stretch from around €20,000 to €27,500 (£17,300-£23,800).

rivegauche

70kw is 95ps/93bhp. No need for an Up GT with that sort horsepower and torque.
190miles is 306km.
24kWh will be the best of them as it will be the lightest and the chassis will struggle to handle the more powerful motors.
Frontal area is much lower than a Zoe so shouldn't lose too much range at 100kmph and I'd guess for the facelift they'll tidy up the aerodynamics a bit more.

I suspect the miles number in the article are supposed to be kilometers. 250 km of realistic range instead of 250 miles (400 km) from 36 kWh sounds about right to me. Unless VW has really figured out how to reduce the energy consuption of the platform from current 14 kWh/100 km down to approx. 8 kWh/100 km.

Would be great if they have though.

liamog

I doubt they'll make any changes to the aero, the bigger batteries are likely aimed at days between charging rather than range.
The numbers come from "sources" so should be taken with a grain of salt.

The current model has a 60kW motor, there is a tuned version of the Up GTI that achieved 110kW so the chassis isn't likely to be a problem.

liamog

Skoda Norway is taking reservations for the Citigo from May for deliveries in January. The advertised WLTP range is 260km which is likely the 36kWh model.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.skoda-auto.no%2Fnyheter-og-pressemeldinger%2Fdetaljer%2Fforhandsreserver-elektriske-skoda-citigo

Electric CITIGO is officially launched in May 2019 and the first customers can expect to have their car delivered in January 2020. In addition to the long range, you can also expect smart ŠKODA solutions that make everyday life a little easier, and not least very competitive prices.

liamog

The launch will be in Bratislava 23/5

https://twitter.com/skodaautonews/status/1129295536102760449

rivegauche

only interested in this if it gets a heat pump which it probably won't.

As can be seen in these pictures apart from headlamps and blanked out grill it is basically the same as it was
https://www.skoda-portal.de/

I do expect it will be more efficient at around 100 to 120kmph than zoe and some of the stats for e-up showed it using about 12kw/100kmph.
That is of no comfort if you are an icicle

Creamy Goodness

had a citigo for a rental car once (whilst my other car was towed), there's absolutely zero comfort in them, barely made it out of the rental car place before turning back to pay extra to get something more comfy.

rivegauche

love citigo/up/mii but a bit unrefined. The electric drivetrain will take care of that and add a dollop of briskness to it too.

liamog

What kind of range would you need from the car? Winter range in my e-Up! with the heating at 22 is around 90km. The bigger battery should put that up to 180km. A heat pump would probably bump that to 210km.

rivegauche

I honestly don't see myself buying one as I can afford better but I can see them selling if they put the heat pump in. Among the mainstream EVs in our car park those who need range mostly uy the Zoe40 and those looking for a cheap 2nd family car buy the Zoe 22kwh even though Smarts for two, forfours and E-Ups iOn and citroens are available to order.
it doesn't even appear to have a satnav based on the shots from the skoda fan website.

Mike9832

rivegauche wrote: »

I honestly don't see myself buying one as I can afford better but I can see them selling if they put the heat pump in. Among the mainstream EVs in our car park those who need range mostly uy the Zoe40 and those looking for a cheap 2nd family car buy the Zoe 22kwh even though Smarts for two, forfours and E-Ups iOn and citroens are available to order.
it doesn't even appear to have a satnav based on the shots from the skoda fan website.

They are supposed to be €22,000 after grants

Can't see many sane people paying that?

rivegauche

Mike9832 wrote: »

They are supposed to be €22,000 after grants

Can't see many sane people paying that?

That is not the target price. less than 20k is what is being suggested.

liamog

The source article puts the price at

The price, including VAT, should not exceed half a million crowns.

That's €19,300.
As far as I can tell the only incentive/grant in Czechia is zero road tax.

Mike9832

rivegauche wrote: »

Mike9832 wrote: »

They are supposed to be €22,000 after grants

Can't see many sane people paying that?

That is not the target price. less than 20k is what is being suggested.

Don't forget Paddy tax

rivegauche

pre-tax prices are cheaper in Ireland and apart from VAT no taxes are levied on EVs below a certain RRP.
Many EVs are cheaper in Ireland than in Germany.

Gael23

This will either be a great move or a spectacular failure.

My impression of it os as a bit of an elderly ladies car. This type of driver wont want the hassle of figuring out how to use charing points etc.

Mike9832

rivegauche wrote: »

pre-tax prices are cheaper in Ireland and apart from VAT no taxes are levied on EVs below a certain RRP.
Many EVs are cheaper in Ireland than in Germany.

Didn't know that

Not being cheeky, but any examples

Mike9832

Gael23 wrote: »

This will either be a great move or a spectacular failure.

My impression of it os as a bit of an elderly ladies car. This type of driver wont want the hassle of figuring out how to use charing points etc.

I would agree

Don't see a market at it's price of €20,000

Would have to be very cheap and I can't see how they could do that with a 36kWh battery

The battery alone probably costs Skoda €4,000, electric motor, controller, inverter, charger etc,, that stuff could add up to close to €7000-€8000 easy, all to replace an engine and petrol tank

Grant and vrt of €10,000 should cover all that though

Have asked many times here if anyone has a cost breakdown of a modern EV, cause when you list all the parts, the €10,000 grant here should make them cheaper than comparable ICE

Meanwhile a 1.0 petrol Citigo is €10,000, sure it only has 60bhp and drives like **** compared to an EV, it's A to B for who cares

For €16-€17k Citigo EV would be nice

36kWh ( 200km real world range ), 90bhp, 70kW charging

Shefwedfan

Gael23 wrote: »

This will either be a great move or a spectacular failure.

My impression of it os as a bit of an elderly ladies car. This type of driver wont want the hassle of figuring out how to use charing points etc.

I suggest you go to European cities and have a look around. In the South of France these small cars are the most common on the roads, mostly because they can get around the cities


Also bit of a put down to elderly ladies. My mother is +70 and got an electric car beause it is so simple. Plug in at night, get up in morning and done. Preheats so no need to sit in freezing car.

rivegauche

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P0tSm4RI8E

Citigo Premiere happening now.
There is also a Superb PHEV coming too.
61kw/83PS engine
210NM torque
265km range
36.8kw battery
5-door only
top speed 130kmph
12.5secs 0 to 100kmph
seems that the high speed charging cable is option for trim level below "style".
14" steelies standard, 16" alloys optional or on higher trim version.
lane departure warning is standard.
LED running lights are optional.
charge to 80% in an hour at a fast charger
remote app for mobile phone to control charging/AC and various control features.
price claimed to be "well below 20000"

Less than 20k pre subsidy sounds like a winner. My MIL currently drives a Hyundai i20 automatic and would love to buy a small BEV with approx. 200 km range, "the smaller the better", and this eUP clone looks just perfect.

When will they target to be on sale in Ireland?

rivegauche

As a second family car it is a winner. It will cost practically nothing to run. In Germany with a €4k eco rebate the price drops below €16k.
Hopefully Renault flick the switch to commercialize the Twingo ZE now in response to this because the Zoe 22kwh has now been undercut considerably by this car.

Mickeroo

Guaranteed that price will be after incentives here.

Mickeroo

Mickeroo wrote: »

Guaranteed that price will be after incentives here.

20k was announced to be the price without subsidies. 5k grant here plus up to another 5k for VRT reduction which for car like this would be less than 3k. So the Irish price should be around 15k after the grants.

rivegauche

265km x 80% = 212km of range in one hour or 3.5km per minute
Tesla and the others are bursting themselves and the electricity network to charge up large EVs in similar times.
Small and light may be the way to go if we want to speed up the transition to EVs for everyone.

liamog

Looks like the minimum spec on this will be the Ambition. Put that up against the 75bhp ICE version at €13,255. I can see it being a great purchase if they can deliver the Citigi E to Ireland for €16,000.

Mike9832

liamog wrote: »

Looks like the minimum spec on this will be the Ambition. Put that up against the 75bhp ICE version at €13,255. I can see it being a great purchase if they can deliver the Citigi E to Ireland for €16,000.

If they can do it, it's incredible

Can't see how they can't either

10k subsidy is more than enough to cover battery cost over ICE

Why so slow to 60mph though?

81bhp/220nm should rocket to 60mph with its weight

Would have thought sub 10 sec easy, not 12.5

Must be software limited