UCD to re-designate more than 170 toilets as gender neutral (Mod warning in op)

suicide_circus

I suppose the next question is why the gender neutral toilets are single toilets, surely that leave the institution open to accusations of segregation. Playing devil's advocate here obviously.

DickSwiveller

Press_Start wrote: »

I'm gonna maybe catch this in the open. I believe when people are referred to being gender neutral it means that they do not associate as either, and thus can have the security of using a gender neutral bathroom. Also referring to the fact that they will be keeping the old style of toilets for those less comfortable. I don't see there as being a major issue.

Couldn't we tell the gender neutral people to go and see a doctor and leave the toilets as they are?

Sleeper12

BowSideChamp wrote:

Yeah a girl now has to go to the toilet with a man taking a dump beside her. How progressive.

Nonsense. All of the toilets are single toilets. On a corridor these are individual toilets. UCD confirmed this today.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Couldn't we tell the gender neutral people to go and see a doctor and leave the toilets as they are?

No, doctors are people you go when you're not feeling well.

Noel82

Ha. So much for the "it's just American culture" jibe

Noel82

The problem with this garbage culture is that in the real world for someone to be diagnosed with a certain illness whether that's mental or physical, they need to go to a doctor and be evaluated by a professional. That's obviously fine and that's how it should work.

There is no such medical procedure for deeming one "transgender" or "gender fluid". It doesn't make any biological sense. The problem is anyone can hop on the transgender brigade and IMO many of those who do at least in US culture are people who are mentally ill/depressed/loners and want to fit into society or find meaning in their life's, as such they see an opportunity to become part of a group that can't be scrutinized, i.e. victim culture.

If I believed the overwhelmingly majority of people had a real problem I would have no such problem, but I don't because people in general aren't to be trusted and when they see an opportunity like this they'll latch onto it and all of a sudden it gets out of control. I don't think it's that dissimilar to the goth movement where people just want to be seen differently so they'll get attention.

My point is after countless hours of listening/watching such students from footage out of US campuses, I don't believe the majority of these people are genuine for the reasons I stated above, and there's no way to prove I'm wrong because it's all based in pseudo science. When you give a platform to crazies where they cannot be criticized only bad things happen.

Noel82

Rezident wrote: »

Am I the only person out of 7.4billion people on the planet, who thinks that some of them are just making **** up?

Nope, that's exactly what's happening. You can thank the regressive left for that.

splinter65

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

No, doctors are people you go when you're not feeling well.

So a man who thinks he’s a woman is perfectly well then?

King of Kings

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

No, doctors are people you go when you're not feeling well.

psychiatrists are doctors too

AMKC

splinter65 wrote: »

So a man who thinks he’s a woman is perfectly well then?

If that man feels that he was born as a woman in the wrong body and only lived as a man because society dictated it and he did not know there was others out there like him until later in life then yes he/she is perfectly well.
I do not believe or think anyone would go down the route of having a sex change just to fit in. Its a very big step and not a very fast or easy one either. There is easier ways of fitting into society if you are just lonely.

As for what UCD are doing I think it is brilliant and I hope for colleges and schools in Ireland follow this and do the same.

Noel82

AMKC wrote: »

If that man feels that he was born as a woman in the wrong body and only lived as a man because society dictated it and he did not know there was others out there like him until later in life then yes he/she is perfectly well.

Perhaps his penis and basic biological science had something to do with it.

pumpkin4life

AMKC wrote: »

If that man feels that he was born as a woman in the wrong body and only lived as a man because society dictated it and he did not know there was others out there like him until later in life then yes he/she is perfectly well.
I do not believe or think anyone would go down the route of having a sex change just to fit in. Its a very big step and not a very fast or easy one either. There is easier ways of fitting into society if you are just lonely.

As for what UCD are doing I think it is brilliant and I hope for colleges and schools in Ireland follow this and do the same.

The data on this seems pretty clear. Sweden (arguably the most "progressive" society on the planet) did a massive longitudinal study on transsexual life outcomes over a number of years and the suicide rates and depressions are off the charts, like 20% of them commit suicide.

I've nothing against transsexuals, a sound lad is a sound lad, but the life outcomes are horrible for them. I think they're being screwed up by some pretty fùcking demented people, all for maybe being a bit effeminate or having it rough or whatever, by people like Zappone or career leftists.

Oh, so little Timmy likes wearing a dress at 12 years old? Have a bunch of hormones! Backed up by a pseudo science and crazy surgery that can fùck up your health in a massive way.

iDave

When the traditional male and female signs that serve a practical usage without any problems get taken down you know a very bizarre and twisted ideology has taken over.

DickSwiveller

AMKC wrote: »

If that man feels that he was born as a woman in the wrong body and only lived as a man because society dictated it and he did not know there was others out there like him until later in life then yes he/she is perfectly well.
I do not believe or think anyone would go down the route of having a sex change just to fit in. Its a very big step and not a very fast or easy one either. There is easier ways of fitting into society if you are just lonely.

As for what UCD are doing I think it is brilliant and I hope for colleges and schools in Ireland follow this and do the same.

I might feel like a dolphin, but that doesn't mean I should get a fin surgically fitted on my back.

_Kaiser_

Rezident wrote: »

Oh no, there are 31 genders in the state of New York now - yes that's 29 genders on top of male and female. Something like 58 genders on facebook apparently. Am I the only person out of 7.4billion people on the planet, who thinks that some of them are just making **** up?

There are 2 genders.. male and female. This is biological.

There are also those who feel they were born the wrong gender and who may take steps to change this by living as the gender they feel they should have been - no issue with this BTW (as it happens I know someone doing exactly this and they're also getting great support from those around them which is great).

There are gay people, straight people, and people who like both sexes or none - again, all good!

But that's it. This whole "gender fluidity" or other such ideas are constructs that are being enabled and advocated by a particular ideology that should really have remained in it's corner of social media, not somehow made itself into "real life" mainstream society.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

splinter65 wrote: »

So a man who thinks he’s a woman is perfectly well then?

Thinking isn't a symptom. It's being, and chancing something you about yourself you don't feel comfortable with. If someone thinks they're gay, would you advise them to see a doctor? Or is change a manifestation of something you really should see a doctor about?

splinter65

AMKC wrote: »

If that man feels that he was born as a woman in the wrong body and only lived as a man because society dictated it and he did not know there was others out there like him until later in life then yes he/she is perfectly well.
I do not believe or think anyone would go down the route of having a sex change just to fit in. Its a very big step and not a very fast or easy one either. There is easier ways of fitting into society if you are just lonely.

As for what UCD are doing I think it is brilliant and I hope for colleges and schools in Ireland follow this and do the same.

He has lived as a man because biologically that’s what he is. A man.
I would be very concerned about people identifying as binary who need psychiatric help not getting it because society is now telling them that they’re “grand”, perfectly well if you like and in no need of medical attention when in actual fact they do need help.
Why is the rate of suicide among the transgender community so horrifically high?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

splinter65 wrote: »

He has lived as a man because biologically that’s what he is. A man.
I would be very concerned about people identifying as binary who need psychiatric help not getting it because society is now telling them that they’re “grand”, perfectly well if you like and in no need of medical attention when in actual fact they do need help.
Why is the rate of suicide among the transgender community so horrifically high?

Society is the best indicator of what is acceptable and what is not accepable

A person wants to change their gender. The current state of affairs is what is more likely to make them ill or attempt suicide. Society has accepted this - and seeing as said change makes them better and does no harm to anyone else - and allows them to do this. So why would YOU want to force them to stay in a way that they find uncomfortable and depressing?

As to the last question - which is blantantly loaded, by the way: can you prove this? - well, it's because of frightened individuals who can not accept a change will make them more healthy.

And they ARE in a better position to call the shot.

splinter65

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Thinking isn't a symptom. It's being, and chancing something you about yourself you don't feel comfortable with. If someone thinks they're gay, would you advise them to see a doctor? Or is change a manifestation of something you really should see a doctor about?

I disagree. Thinking you are a woman when you are actually a man is a symptom of a psychiatric problem which needs to be addressed like any other psychiatric problem.
To you, too, this question:
If it’s not a psychiatric issue then why is the rate of suicide amongst the transgender community so high?
Your analogy about homosexuality is pointless.
People are either gay or straight. You are not biologically gay or biologically straight. Homosexuality is very straightforward and not a psychiatric issue.

Mod-Banned

DickSwiveller

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Society is the best indicator of what is acceptable and what is not accepable

A person wants to change their gender. The current state of affairs is what is more likely to make them ill or attempt suicide. Society has accepted this - and seeing as said change makes them better and does no harm to anyone else - and allows them to do this. So why would YOU want to force them to stay in a way that they find uncomfortable and depressing?

As to the last question - which is blantantly loaded, by the way: can you prove this? - well, it's because of frightened individuals who can not accept a change will make them more healthy.

And they ARE in a better position to call the shot.

"Society has accepted this"

No, it hasn't. Most people think it crazy.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

splinter65 wrote: »

I disagree. Thinking you are a woman when you are actually a man is a symptom of a psychiatric problem which needs to be addressed like any other psychiatric problem.
To you, too, this question:
If it’s not a psychiatric issue then why is the rate of suicide amongst the transgender community so high?

Answered in the post above: loaded question, conservative bigotry.

Your analogy about homosexuality is pointless.
People are either gay or straight. You are not biologically gay or biologically straight. Homosexuality is very straightforward and not a psychiatric issue.

Transgerder people that they are born male or female - but in the wrong body. ANd again, they'll know better than you.

Annasopra

splinter65 wrote: »

Why is the rate of suicide among the transgender community so horrifically high?

Good question. I reckon a lot of it is is because of transphobia. Lots of examples above.

splinter65

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Society is the best indicator of what is acceptable and what is not accepable

A person wants to change their gender. The current state of affairs is what is more likely to make them ill or attempt suicide. Society has accepted this - so why would YOU want to force them to stay in a way that they find uncomfortable and depressing?

As to the last question - which is blantantly loaded, by the way: can you prove this? - well, it's because of bigoted individuals who can not accept a change will make them more healthy.

And they ARE in a better position to call the shot.

So you’re saying that the gender fluid community are simply being bullied so badly by society that 40% attempt suicide.
If this is so, that a minority group, marginalized and discriminated against in society will have a shockingly high suicide rate, then how do you explain the extremely low suicide rate among black teenagers of the same age?

Grayson

falinn merking wrote: »

It shows MEN do not belong in toilets with young girls.

It does not matter if that man thinks he is a woman transgender or a dolphin.

Not going to tit for tat debate this anymore I have had my say and I suspect I am with the majority but unlike most I am not afraid to express my opinion.

Men in the mens toilets women in the womens toilets the way it has always been.

You're arguing against unisex toilets. For your story to be relevant it has to have occurred because of a unisex toilet.

See the crime you mentioned happened to occur in a bathroom. It didn't occur because a bathroom exists. It didn't occur because a bathroom was unisex. A guy abducted a girl and ended up in a bathroom. It could have been in any room. In fact it may not have occurred if the bathroom was unisex because there would have been twice as many people potentially using it.

DickSwiveller

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Good question. I reckon a lot of it is is because of transphobia. Lots of examples above.

Maybe it is to do with the fact that they are unhappy with their mental state. But no, it couldn't possibly be that. Of course it's transphobia.


Mod-Banned

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

DickSwiveller wrote: »

"Society has accepted this"

No, it hasn't. Most people think it crazy.

That last claim is pulle out of your arse as oppose to any form of research or backup.

Society has accepted it. The process is safe and legal and the society is free.

splinter65

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Good question. I reckon a lot of it is is because of transphobia. Lots of examples above.

But why is the suicide rate among the black community so very low despite the racism, the discrimination, the marginalization, the pay gap, the single mother statistics....
If it’s all to do with “phobias” and bullying then why don’t all minority groups have a horribly high rate of suicide?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Maybe it is to do with the fact that they are unhappy with their mental state. But no, it couldn't possibly be that. Of course it's transphobia.

They why force them to stay that way?

And yes - despite the sarcasm, transphobia.

If someone wanted me to stay in a depressive state purely because they were uncomfrtable with my choice and told me I was "mentally ill", I'd consider them phobic.

Grayson

pumpkin4life wrote: »

The data on this seems pretty clear. Sweden (arguably the most "progressive" society on the planet) did a massive longitudinal study on transsexual life outcomes over a number of years and the suicide rates and depressions are off the charts, like 20% of them commit suicide.

I've nothing against transsexuals, a sound lad is a sound lad, but the life outcomes are horrible for them. I think they're being screwed up by some pretty fùcking demented people, all for maybe being a bit effeminate or having it rough or whatever, by people like Zappone or career leftists.

Oh, so little Timmy likes wearing a dress at 12 years old? Have a bunch of hormones! Backed up by a pseudo science and crazy surgery that can fùck up your health in a massive way.

But it could be the depression is caused by other factors. Such as a society which isn't welcoming. Any thread in here involving trans people always descends into people saying they're weird or sick or whatever. Even when a trans person comes along and shares their experiences they get a shellacking. It's not a healthy atmosphere. There was a time when the suicide rates of gay people were higher.

DickSwiveller

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

They why force them to stay that way?

And yes - despite the sarcasm, transphobia.

If someone is bipolar, a doctor does not tell them to embrace their condition and live a happy life. What you, and people like you, are doing is very irresponsible, and your attempt to shut down any discussion by labeling people transphobic is pathetic.