UCD to re-designate more than 170 toilets as gender neutral (Mod warning in op)

Crea

Bob_Marley wrote: »

The fad won't last long when women see the state of most male jacks and the sexual assaults increase.

Has bern working in France for decades without any problems. Generally the urinals are at the end of the bathroom behind a partition and the stalls are at the front. It isn't rocket science

Will I Am Not

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Language can be subtle

“Our female population” = Ireland’s female population.
If he had said our population would you accuse him of thinking he owns everyone?

If you look hard enough you can be offended by anything. Stop looking so hard.

Billy86

tretorn wrote: »

Is it all a first world thing, I cant imagine in countries where it takes a lot to survive that people sit around gazing into their belly buttons wondering about transitioning.

Considering that apart from the US, the next three countries with the highest trans populations are apparently Brazil, Thailand and the Philippines I think you'll find it's not a 'first world thing'.

koumi

tretorn wrote: »

Are any of these transgender people actually happier after they trans or do they still have the same "issues" to deal with as well as a whole lot more new "issues".

Is it all a first world thing, I cant imagine in countries where it takes a lot to survive that people sit around gazing into their belly buttons wondering about transitioning.

I only know one personally and at that, not quite well but she always comes across as happy and contented. In saying that I never knew her before she transitioned so I couldn't really speak for her but I'd be hard pressed to identify her as male.

It's not a first world thing at all really, in lots of cultures across the world it has been and continues to be an integral part of society. In fact in some cultures where homosexuality is outlawed, people are forced to change gender in order to accommodate unions as it is considered more acceptable.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29832690

In India they are recognized as having a divine origin and while accepted on one level are generally reserved for sacred ceremonial performances.
https://www.vice.com/en_id/article/bj73b8/revered-and-reviled-life-as-indias-third-gender

and also, Native American culture has always embraced the two-spirited tribe members and also have customs which recognize their role in society.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit

that's just off the top of my head

dalyboy

dalyboy wrote: »

Too right , No offense is being targeted at trans people but with knee jerk and poorly planned solutions we are going to draw out aggressive responses to trans people. Most important thing you said is WE NEED TO DRAW A LINE. If this progresses to the idea that anyone and everyone can freely walk into the opposite genders OPEN PLAN changing and shower facilities in gyms/pools etc then I for one will not stand for it. Our female population (young and old) will be exposed to dangers that are unacceptable. Its not like all of a sudden perverts and paedophiles will just disappear if these facilities are made "gender neutral"

Hold on a second. I never mentioned anything about dangers. I've seen nothing to suggest that anyone in the trans communities are more dangerous than anyone else.

Drawing a line gives breathing space for all sides. We can implement some changes, reassess, and determine the best way to move forward without alienating parts of our society. There's no need to rush blindly into making everything "equal" for the trans community while stamping on the views/feelings of everyone else.

Sonics2k

Bunch of snowflakes in here whining about having an option to use a shared bathroom.

baylah17

Deleted User wrote: »

There's no need to rush blindly into making everything "equal" for the trans community.

Why do you believe that Transgender individuals are less entitled to equality than the rest of society? You are defectively arguing that they should somehow be treated as second class citizens.

Permabear

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jaxxx

Will I Am Not wrote: »

“Our female population” = Ireland’s female population.
If he had said our population would you accuse him of thinking he owns everyone?

If you look hard enough you can be offended by anything. Stop looking so hard.

baylah17

baylah17 wrote: »

Why do you believe that Transgender individuals are less entitled to equality than the rest of society? You are defectively arguing that they should somehow be treated as second class citizens.

Hardly. They should have the same rights I do.

However, just as I wouldn't demand entrance to a female shower area (as a male), I would expect the same from trans people. There should be some limitations on sharing of space where nudity is involved. I've no issue with having cubicles accessible to all.

Bob24

Sonics2k wrote: »

Bunch of snowflakes in here whining about having an option to use a shared bathroom.

I think very few have issues with unisex toilets (when appropriate) and the issue is more with this being an ideological war with people trying to score points with relabelled toilet signs.

See for exemple what I was mentioning here: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=106225748

koumi

Deleted User wrote: »

Hardly. They should have the same rights I do.

However, just as I wouldn't demand entrance to a female shower area (as a male), I would expect the same from trans people. There should be some limitations on sharing of space where nudity is involved. I've no issue with having cubicles accessible to all.

I think, and I could be mistaken, that the proposal is for an all gender toilet as an additional feature rather than as a substitute for male and female facilities. That's how it works on NUIG anyway. Male and female bathrooms are still the norm but now there is an extra option open to those who don't fall within those parameters so I think everyone is happy. The additional toilets caters for both male and female and anywhere in between while also having disability access. It is not detracting from currently established facilities, it is not a communal bathroom, it is a separate facility catering to those within a specific category, a third gender bathroom if you will.

As it happens I have two swimming pools in my locality which have communal changing and shower areas. The shower blocks are used by everybody although most people just leaving the pool have a quick wash while in swimming gear but there are separate individual showers located in the toilet area's, which are gender specified.

Permabear

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Grayson

Permabear wrote: »

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This is getting into strange hypothetical situations.

koumi

Grayson wrote: »

This is getting into strange hypothetical situations.

watch out there's probably a gay man behind you :eek:

probably

MrPudding

Grayson wrote: »

I read that as printed circuit board.

Computer says banned?

MRP

ceadaoin.

dalyboy wrote: »

Too right , No offense is being targeted at trans people but with knee jerk and poorly planned solutions we are going to draw out aggressive responses to trans people. Most important thing you said is WE NEED TO DRAW A LINE. If this progresses to the idea that anyone and everyone can freely walk into the opposite genders OPEN PLAN changing and shower facilities in gyms/pools etc then I for one will not stand for it. Our female population (young and old) will be exposed to dangers that are unacceptable. Its not like all of a sudden perverts and paedophiles will just disappear if these facilities are made "gender neutral"

I'm not sure why if you bring up the fact that people will take advantage of unisex bathrooms to commit acts of voyeurism and assault, people start crying transphobia. It's not saying trans people are the ones doing it, but if anyone thinks that perverts wouldn't take advantage of unisex facilities then they are deluded. The university of Toronto had to scale back their unisex shower facilities after women were filmed. Target in the US had an increase in incidents after they went gender neutral in their changing rooms.

I don't have a problem with gender neutral facilities if they are private and fully enclosed. Just turning standard formerly single sex ones into gender neutral is asking for trouble.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Grayson wrote: »

I read that as printed circuit board.

Most people read it as a drug...

MrPudding wrote: »

Computer says banned?

MRP

*looks around*
*wriggles fingers*

Nope...?

dalyboy

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I'm not sure why if you bring up the fact that people will take advantage of unisex bathrooms to commit acts of voyeurism and assault, people start crying transphobia. It's not saying trans people are the ones doing it, but if anyone thinks that perverts wouldn't take advantage of unisex facilities then they are deluded. The university of Toronto had to scale back their unisex shower facilities after women were filmed. Target in the US had an increase in incidents after they went gender neutral in their changing rooms.

I don't have a problem with gender neutral facilities if they are private and fully enclosed. Just turning standard formerly single sex ones into gender neutral is asking for trouble.

Thats what I am saying. I too have no issue with gender neutral toilets as they are proposed as the privacy of all genders (male , female , trans etc etc etc) is being preserved. It is when our privacy (changing , showering OPEN COMMUNALLY) is being threatened that I personally , and I am sure I am not alone , would take major issue. There is no need for discussion on it. The proof is as you state in Toronto. Link article below :-
https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2015/10/05/university-of-toronto-alters-bathroom-policy-after-two-reports-of-voyeurism.html

I am sure there are dozens of these examples.

Anyone who signals favor for full access of formally single sex designated areas which is communal is also in favor of endangering THE female population at large and should have a spot light shun at them instantly for public disgrace.

Doltanian

A degree from UCD is only glorified toilet paper for snowflakes who are too lazy to get a real job anyway.

Billy86

Doltanian wrote: »

A degree from UCD is only glorified toilet paper for snowflakes who are too lazy to get a real job anyway.

I didn't go to UCD, but am curious what qualifies as 'a real job'?

Grayson

Billy86 wrote: »

I didn't go to UCD, but am curious what qualifies as 'a real job'?

Going to trinity? :pac:

Bob24

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

when did being in a wheelchair become a gender type?

On the day western civilisation started to collapse from its own stupidity ... some historians might say in the future.

ceadaoin.

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

when did being in a wheelchair become a gender type?

Being disabled is something that you can self identify as now, even if you aren't actually disabled. Some people intentionally main themselves, with the support of doctors, others just pretend that they are disabled, like this person who pretends to be paraplegic some days and even was given permission for a disabled parking badge by a doctor and on others goes mountain climbing and skiing

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3625033

LostYourNerve?

So these toilets will be used about 0.5% as often as other toilets.

Skullface McGubbin

Assetbacked wrote: »

Traditional gender role disputing people get a disproportionate amount of coverage. In reality they represent such a tiny minority, they should barely be mentioned.

It's because there are just enough of them (and mostly their allies/enablers) in positions of power and influence so that's why they have so much coverage.

iDave wrote: »

When the traditional male and female signs that serve a practical usage without any problems get taken down you know a very bizarre and twisted ideology has taken over.

The lunatics are running the Asylum and no one is going to remove them any time soon.

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

It would appear the lines between mental illness and "gender" are getting blurred.

Here's pretty much what you need to know about the word "gender" in this short video.

Doltanian

Billy86 wrote: »

I didn't go to UCD, but am curious what qualifies as 'a real job'?

Those guys who burst their gut on a daily basis, farmers, fishermen, plasterers, blocklayers, chippys etc. manual hard working blue collar workers who often earn more than those liberal "educated" idiots who pontificate to everyone else yet do very little themselves besides draw the dole and smoke weed all day long.

Bob_Marley

Doltanian wrote: »

Those guys who burst their gut on a daily basis, farmers, fishermen, plasterers, blocklayers, chippys etc. manual hard working blue collar workers who often earn more than those liberal "educated" idiots who pontificate to everyone else yet do very little themselves besides draw the dole and smoke weed all day long.

I know farmers, fishermen, plasterers, blocklayers, chippys etc. with degrees, one of them went to UCD as well. Don't mix them up.

Bob24

LostYourNerve? wrote: »

So these toilets will be used about 0.5% as often as other toilets.

In this case if they are just relabelling "disabled" toilets as "gender neutral" toilets they'll probably get used more as they won't be specifically designated for disabled people anymore and more people will feel free to use them.

But encouraging everyone to start using facilities which have been fitted specifically for people with physical disabilities is fairly questionable. Firstly they obviously cost more than regular toilets for the university (fitting/maintenance, but also they take up a lot more space than large toilets with several urinals/cubicles). But secondly and more importantly this increases the chances for them being unavailable when a disabled person needs them.

Sweetemotion

Bob24 wrote: »

In this case if they are just relabelling "disabled" toilets as "gender neutral" toilets they'll probably get used more as they won't be specifically designated for disabled people anymore and more people will feel free to use them.

But encouraging everyone to start using facilities which have been fitted specifically for people with physical disabilities is fairly questionable. Firstly they obviously cost more than regular toilets for the university (fitting/maintenance, but also they take up a lot more space than large toilets with several urinals/cubicles). But secondly and more importantly this increases the chances for them being unavailable when a disabled person needs them.

How about leaving the disabled toilets alone and give all the new gender neutral signs. To the people saying "sure I have gender neutrals toilets in my house, I don't see a problem with this" Too hang on their front door.