UCD to re-designate more than 170 toilets as gender neutral (Mod warning in op)

rondog

Anyone that is Gender Neutral is a complete FKN KNOB

falinn merking

falinn merking wrote: »

I think this idea is disgusting there are only two sexes male and female.

Females in one toilet males in the other, common sense since the creation of public toilets.

This will be a welcome move for perverts pedofiles and so on.
Little girls will be going into toilets with strange grown men already in there.

PC be damned people who thinks this is necessary or a good idea have mental issues in my opinion.

Also as a fully grown man I don't want to be open to false accusations from women.
Women also have the time of month thing and I am sure they don't want men in their toilets.

If this is what is steaming out of our universities God help us all.

Except none of that will apply here

University authorities will shortly begin the process of re-designating single-stall toilets and changing rooms as gender neutral.

It's a pity the OP didn't include some more quotes from the article in the first place :rolleyes:

falinn merking

Grayson wrote: »

Who wants to take this?

Take what exactly?

This is what I have been though in school and by adults since I was a young child.
Men hanging around ladies toilets would have been arrested.

Bob24

The DIT ones in their full glory: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=364270307339061&set=p.364270307339061

I have to say I understand the confusion of the girl who posted the picture. They already had clearly labeled unisex toilets and still had to relabel the (presumably also unisex) disabled toilets next to them as "all genders".

Kind of shows that it was not about introducing unisex toilets or solving an actual problem but more about scoring political points.

falinn merking

riffmongous wrote: »

Except none of that will apply here



It's a pity the OP didn't include some more quotes from the article in the first place :rolleyes:

Right that was not made clear a toilet that only fits one person at a time fine.
The rest of what I said I stand behind 100%.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Red_Wake wrote: »

The current teaching of the history of British rule in Ireland is a bit disingenuous as is - the average Irish peasant was no worse treated than the average English peasant. 

Neither had much in the way of rights and were at the mercy of the ambitions and madness of an aristocracy, which was aided by elements of the native aristocracy to further their own position.

However, this is largely glossed over in favour of a narrative where the english oppressed the irish, and disregards the wider trend across the world of conquering forces oppressing natives, and their own[the treatment of the French by their aristocracy is only mentioned in the context of their Revolution, and nothing is made of the massacre of the Huguenots, an act of sectarian genocide that puts anything the British did in Irelan to shame].

And that's before bringing up how the British army recruited plenty of soldiers from both Protestants and Catholics[admittedly the Catholics were historically relegated to the common soldiery rather than officers, but that has as much to do with the domination of the officer corps armies of that period by the aristocracy, which was Anglican].

Really, the Irish experience of British rule is just a bog standard tale of haves vs have notes, given a nationalistic and sectarian spin. It was an unpleasant, but common experience for people at the time.

I think we're prone to exaggeration in certain circumstances. The Irish like to spin a yarn, stories grow legs etc.

pilly

Unisex toilets are all well and good except when you work with 23 men and 1 woman, the filth! I can't begin to describe it. And the smell.

falinn merking

A Wyoming transsexual person was convicted of raping a ten-year-old girl.

Miguel Martinez, a biological male who identifies as a woman and goes by the name Michelle, was found guilty of first and second degree sexual abuse against a child. Now, he faces 70 years in prison.

According to The Billings Gazette, the girl told police Martinez lured the child into a bathroom on March 23, where he molested and raped her.

The victim reportedly told police about the assault, saying "it hurt" before breaking down in tears.

Nurses at the Wyoming Medical Center examined the girl and found inflammation and abrasions.

According to court documents, Police reported they found Martinez after the assault "extremely intoxicated." He accused the victim of "talking crap" and called her allegations a "publicity stunt."

Martinez pleaded not guilty to both counts of sexual abuse.

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2017/october/transgender-woman-convicted-of-raping-10-year-old-girl-in-nbsp-restroom

Bob24

Bob24 wrote: »

The DIT ones in all there glory: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=364270307339061&set=p.364270307339061

I have to say I understand the confusion of the girl who posted the picture. They already had clearly labeled unisex toilets and still had to relabel the (presumably also unisex) disabled toilets next to them as "all genders".

Kind of shows that it was not about introducing unisex toilets or solving an actual problem but more about scoring political points.

Fantastic stuff. So the left is for male and female and the right is for male, female, other and disabled.

Pepefrogok

pilly wrote: »

Unisex toilets are all well and good except when you work with 23 men and 1 woman, the filth! I can't begin to describe it. And the smell.

Well just tell the dirty bitch to be a bit more considerate!

Billy86

pilly wrote: »

Unisex toilets are all well and good except when you work with 23 men and 1 woman, the filth! I can't begin to describe it. And the smell.

Funny that, I work with about 50 women and maybe 5-6 guys.

The women toilet is out of order and blocked constantly meaning they need to use the disabled, which then gets blocked literally every single time this happens, then the women's is back available for a week or so before being blocked again, and so on and so on. Now that's f***ing rank, especially since the mens has never had so much as a clogged sink! :pac:

And on that note, from previous housemates I've found that women are far nastier in the bathroom - it's more of a person-by-person thing so I'm sure I've been somewhat unlucky there, but the amount of times I've come across more hair down a sink or the toilet than you'd get off from wet-shaving a St. Bernard was appalling to put it mild. I literally had to use a plunger to get it all out once!! :eek:

DEFTLEFTHAND

Dr Brown wrote: »

Is it any wonder Irish Universities are slipping down the world rankings when they are more concenred about gender neutral toilets.

We've always had woeful rankings though in fairness.

This type of thing/movement stems from the successful Universities abroad, particularly in the USA. The Irish always take their cue from the yanks and British.

B.A._Baracus

rondog wrote: »

Anyone that is Gender Neutral is a complete FKN KNOB

It would appear the lines between mental illness and "gender" are getting blurred.

tritium

riffmongous wrote: »

Most likely it will just be disabled toilets and smaller single cubicle ones, according to an other article from the Times this is just what WIT did last year, they said that most trans people were just using those toilets anyway so it was just making it official and clear.

I hope not. I genuinely find it quite offensive that disabled toilets would be officially opened up to anyone else. They’re limited enough already and disabled people typically have significant access problems with regular toilets. While I appreciate other groups face issues I don’t see why one of the groups who face such huge challenges should be officially be asked to suck it up. We already have a pretty dickish national attitude to the use of disabled facilities, parking spaces etc.

Brian?

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Ye, I'm sure she has no agenda whatsoever.

I'm 100% sure does have an agenda. To normalise LGBT+ lifestyles and shine a light on how poorly treated LGBT+ people have been treated in Ireland in recent times.

I hope the normality of gay relationships in pre Christian Ireland is added.

DEFTLEFTHAND

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

It would appear the lines between mental illness and "gender" are getting blurred.

Is it right to enable mental illness.

When does this become an ethical issue?

_Kaiser_

To be honest I think it's yet again another kneejerk reaction to a problem that doesn't exist, coupled with the "need" we have these days to show how enlightened we are, but howandever...

The comparisons with home toilet facilities are wrong too..
- At home, no-one is going to walk in while you're using the facilities
- At home, the other users are generally going to be family members or friends.. not total strangers

Now, if the "gender neutral"/unisex facilities are going to just be separate cubicles then there's not really an issue - except that some may feel uncomfortable in the shared area where you wash/dry your hands, but I can understand why some people may not be thrilled about the idea depending on how it's implemented (which no doubt will vary by location)

falinn merking

Brian? wrote: »

I'm 100% sure does have an agenda. To normalise LGBT+ lifestyles and shine a light on how poorly treated LGBT+ people have been treated in Ireland in recent times.

I hope the normality of gay relationships in pre Christian Ireland is added.

What about how poorly homeless people have been treated.
What about how poorly working class people have been treated.
What about how poorly disabled people have been treated.
What about how poorly victims of crime have been treated.
What about how poorly the elderly have been treated.

You use the toilet you have the plumbing for simple.:rolleyes:

ricero

Dont get this "i have a gender neutral bathroom in my house" argument from some of the delusional liberals in this thread.

Strange men and women dont **** and piss in my home. Its such an idiotic and flawed argument.

Red_Wake

Red_Wake wrote: »

The current teaching of the history of British rule in Ireland is a bit disingenuous as is - the average Irish peasant was no worse treated than the average English peasant.

Neither had much in the way of rights and were at the mercy of the ambitions and madness of an aristocracy, which was aided by elements of the native aristocracy to further their own position.

However, this is largely glossed over in favour of a narrative where the english oppressed the irish, and disregards the wider trend across the world of conquering forces oppressing natives, and their own[the treatment of the French by their aristocracy is only mentioned in the context of their Revolution, and nothing is made of the massacre of the Huguenots, an act of sectarian genocide that puts anything the British did in Irelan to shame].

And that's before bringing up how the British army recruited plenty of soldiers from both Protestants and Catholics[admittedly the Catholics were historically relegated to the common soldiery rather than officers, but that has as much to do with the domination of the officer corps armies of that period by the aristocracy, which was Anglican].

Really, the Irish experience of British rule is just a bog standard tale of haves vs have notes, given a nationalistic and sectarian spin. It was an unpleasant, but common experience for people at the time.

I'm pretty sure Ireland was noted as being much poorer than the rest of the UK, anecdotally Ireland was used to highlight just how poor the west Ukraine was, and scientifically up until Independence Dublin had a child mortality rate way outside of the range of what was accepted in Britain, indeed one of the worst in the western world

Lux23

I only just realised that our toilets in work are gender neutral which is probably the case in lots of places across Ireland. So, meh!

DEFTLEFTHAND

Whatever happened to Majority rules though? Trans comprise of 0.3% of population.

Now I know it's only a fcking bathroom but what about a woman who doesn't feel comfortable sharing with a male or vice versa. Where's their say in all this? Who asked them their opinion before going ahead with this?

Sleeper12

pilly wrote:

Unisex toilets are all well and good except when you work with 23 men and 1 woman, the filth! I can't begin to describe it. And the smell.

Ah sure one woman couldn't be that bad.

Lux23

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Whatever happened to Majority rules though? Trans comprise of 0.3% of population.

Now I know it's only a fcking bathroom but what about a woman who doesn't feel comfortable sharing with a male or vice versa. Where's their say in all this? Who asked them their opinion before going ahead with this?

Well, there are still single-sex toilets available in most places so they are catered to as well.

_Kaiser_

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Whatever happened to Majority rules though? Trans comprise of 0.3% of population.

Now I know it's only a fcking bathroom but what about a woman who doesn't feel comfortable sharing with a male or vice versa. Where's their say in all this? Who asked them their opinion before going ahead with this?

Shh you. You can't be bringing in ideas like that to the discussion. This is about virtue signalling and politicising the simple bathroom!

pilly

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Whatever happened to Majority rules though? Trans comprise of 0.3% of population.

Now I know it's only a fcking bathroom but what about a woman who doesn't feel comfortable sharing with a male or vice versa. Where's their say in all this? Who asked them their opinion before going ahead with this?

No-one is being asked to share.

falinn merking

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Whatever happened to Majority rules though? Trans comprise of 0.3% of population.

Now I know it's only a fcking bathroom but what about a woman who doesn't feel comfortable sharing with a male or vice versa. Where's their say in all this? Who asked them their opinion before going ahead with this?

freshpopcorn

pilly wrote: »

Unisex toilets are all well and good except when you work with 23 men and 1 woman, the filth! I can't begin to describe it. And the smell.

I used work in the hospitality industry and still have friends who do and most people I know would say the women's toilets are always a lot messier.

pilly

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I used work in the hospitality industry and still have friends who do and most people I know would say the women's toilets are always a lot messier.

Messy and dirty are 2 different things though. Tell me which ones are smellier?

Brian?

falinn merking wrote: »

What about how poorly homeless people have been treated.
What about how poorly working class people have been treated.
What about how poorly disabled people have been treated.
What about how poorly victims of crime have been treated.
What about how poorly the elderly have been treated.

You use the toilet you have the plumbing for simple.:rolleyes:

What about them? If we start teaching kids about gay people does that mean we can't teach any of the above as well? What's your point?