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New Worldwide Handicap System

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    #1862
    [Deleted User]
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    gypsy79 wrote: »
    My monday round from corballis still hasn’t come through. Who would that be in corballis or my home club?

    Are you checking the golf Ireland website or where?


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    #1863
    gypsy79
    Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    Exactly wrote: »
    Are you checking the golf Ireland website or where?

    Yes, do my home club need to do anything?


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    #1864
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    Yes, do my home club need to do anything?

    Not that I'm aware. Should be updated at midnight once score is returned.

    I'm playing there today. Will see if mine gets uploaded tomorrow.


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    #1865
    gypsy79
    Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Not that I'm aware. Should be updated at midnight once score is returned.

    I'm playing there today. Will see if mine gets uploaded tomorrow.

    But there is no open today

    Still be interested to hear the process for declaring round etc


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    #1866
    Neewollah
    Registered Users Posts: 460 ✭✭Neewollah


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    No. Only qualifying rounds will go up
    I thought all competitions now whther they be 9 or 18 holes are to be included in your new handicap index. I could upload a casual round and would that be counted?


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    #1867
    gypsy79
    Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    Neewollah wrote: »
    I thought all competitions now whther they be 9 or 18 holes are to be included in your new handicap index. I could upload a casual round and would that be counted?

    If they are declared before. Played under qualifying conditions accompanied and signed by another gui golfer


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    #1868
    finglashoop
    Registered Users Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭finglashoop


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    If they are declared before. Played under qualifying conditions accompanied and signed by another gui golfer

    This might be a stupid question but why aren't comps qualifying if I can play a casual qualifying round?


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    #1869
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,836 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    If they are declared before. Played under qualifying conditions accompanied and signed by another gui golfer

    and there must be at least 8 others playing the same day


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    #1870
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,836 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    finglashoop wrote: »
    This might be a stupid question but why aren't comps qualifying if I can play a casual qualifying round?

    competition local rules?
    number of holes?


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    #1871
    finglashoop
    Registered Users Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭finglashoop


    Seve OB wrote: »
    competition local rules?
    number of holes?

    When I go to computer to sign in for comp it also has option to sign in for casual round.

    I assumed it was there but not in use until qualifying is back.


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    #1872
    willabur
    Registered Users Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭willabur


    I played last sunday - weather was woeful. We signed into the competition because we thought we could get 18 in. While out on the course the weather got even worse, we found 2 greens to be completely waterlogged and therefore unplayable. I ended up stopping after 12 holes and not submitting a card.

    Weather cleared up a bit and lads went out and played in the afternoon - what happens to the competition in that case? Are the scores qualifying as guys managed to make it around later in the day


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    #1873
    [Deleted User]
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    gypsy79 wrote: »
    But there is no open today

    Still be interested to hear the process for declaring round etc

    Played a casual round for handicap purposes. Signed in beforehand and returned card when finished. Playing partners did the same. Felt just like a competition to be honest because we were all in the same boat.


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    #1874
    willabur
    Registered Users Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭willabur


    Anyone else not seeing club comp results coming in on HDID?
    Just one comp result posted since resumption on competitions for Corballis. Results are up on Golfireland though


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    #1875
    wardides
    Registered Users Posts: 768 ✭✭✭wardides


    Am I the only one who is finding the new system absolutely awful in regards to transparency? Is there actually nowhere (outside of the thread on this forum) where I can see a list of slope ratings for Golf courses in ireland?


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    #1876
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,836 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    wardides wrote: »
    Am I the only one who is finding the new system absolutely awful in regards to transparency? Is there actually nowhere (outside of the thread on this forum) where I can see a list of slope ratings for Golf courses in ireland?

    why does the absence of a list of slopes lack transparency?

    i mean, was there ever any kind of official list of golf courses in Ireland before and why does there need to be now?

    you can look most of them up on the golfnet website as ever

    all course and slope ratings are available from the clubs themselves. im sure in time the club info that is in golfnet will transfer to the new website and possibly update with the slope and course ratings


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    #1877
    Stacksey
    Registered Users Posts: 498 ✭✭Stacksey


    The new system is gas, 34 points last weekend and went from 8.1 to 8.7


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    #1878
    Pdoghue
    Registered Users Posts: 761 ✭✭✭Pdoghue


    Seve OB wrote: »
    why does the absence of a list of slopes lack transparency?

    i mean, was there ever any kind of official list of golf courses in Ireland before and why does there need to be now?

    you can look most of them up on the golfnet website as ever

    all course and slope ratings are available from the clubs themselves. im sure in time the club info that is in golfnet will transfer to the new website and possibly update with the slope and course ratings

    I don't think that's a fair characterisation of the situation. From what I've heard the communication from Golf Ireland to the clubs about WHS has not been great.

    To the person who asked; the official database of course ratings is here: https://ncrdb.usga.org/ or here: https://www.randa.org/chc-lookup for any country including Ireland. I couldn't find that on the Golf Ireland website, but it may be there somewhere.

    In my experience, from my own club, a lack of transparency and explanation about WHS has prevailed. This is due I think to lack of willingness to explain to members (people are sensitive about their handicaps apparently) and lack of understanding of the system on the part of the handicap secretary. It wasn't discussed recently at our AGM for example. However, in the current environment (Covid19) I am willing to cut them a bit of slack. There will be a few months of non-qualifying competitions to let everyone get used to WHS. At the moment, the handicap index is being printed on our cards when we sign in, which to me doesn't seem right.


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    #1879
    spacecoyote
    Registered Users Posts: 8,440 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Stacksey wrote: »
    The new system is gas, 34 points last weekend and went from 8.1 to 8.7

    Well it is a rolling average, you must have had a good score drop out of your range


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    #1880
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,836 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    Pdoghue wrote: »
    I don't think that's a fair characterisation of the situation.

    I was simply answering the question posed.


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    #1881
    blue note
    Registered Users Posts: 4,505 ✭✭✭blue note


    I put in a casual round on Saturday and shot 37 points. Will I see the effect of this on my handicap on HDID? Or will I see it when I next sign into a competition? I reckon I could have a slight cut from it, so don't want to put in the wrong handicap when I play next!


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    #1882
    wardides
    Registered Users Posts: 768 ✭✭✭wardides


    Seve OB wrote: »
    why does the absence of a list of slopes lack transparency?

    i mean, was there ever any kind of official list of golf courses in Ireland before and why does there need to be now?

    you can look most of them up on the golfnet website as ever

    all course and slope ratings are available from the clubs themselves. im sure in time the club info that is in golfnet will transfer to the new website and possibly update with the slope and course ratings

    Considering one of the main concepts of the new handicap system is based around your handicap changing depending on the difficulty of the course, I would have assumed one of the first things they would do would put (on golf ireland or golfnet) a very simple PDF of courses in Ireland and their slopes?

    The second piece around previously having a list is pointless considering we never had a handicap system where your handicap system changed depending on the course rating.

    Played in 3 different clubs and not one (including my home club) have their slope rating visible anywhere. Nor has been well published how to calculate your actual playing handicap. (I am aware how to do it, but played with several who haven't a clue).

    It just seems like a bit of a shambolic transfer of a very important feature of competitive golf.

    Playing Kileen next week. Went onto their website. Onto golf net. No sign of slope rating? Happy to be proven wrong but I couldn't find it despite going through a few links.


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    #1883
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    blue note wrote: »
    I put in a casual round on Saturday and shot 37 points. Will I see the effect of this on my handicap on HDID? Or will I see it when I next sign into a competition? I reckon I could have a slight cut from it, so don't want to put in the wrong handicap when I play next!

    Golf Ireland website


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    #1884
    billy3sheets
    Registered Users Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭billy3sheets


    wardides wrote: »
    Considering one of the main concepts of the new handicap system is based around your handicap changing depending on the difficulty of the course, I would have assumed one of the first things they would do would put (on golf ireland or golfnet) a very simple PDF of courses in Ireland and their slopes?

    The second piece around previously having a list is pointless considering we never had a handicap system where your handicap system changed depending on the course rating.

    Played in 3 different clubs and not one (including my home club) have their slope rating visible anywhere. Nor has been well published how to calculate your actual playing handicap. (I am aware how to do it, but played with several who haven't a clue).

    It just seems like a bit of a shambolic transfer of a very important feature of competitive golf.

    Playing Kileen next week. Went onto their website. Onto golf net. No sign of slope rating? Happy to be proven wrong but I couldn't find it despite going through a few links.
    All of the course slope ratings can be got on
    https://ncrdb.usga.org/
    Here's Killeen https://ncrdb.usga.org/courseTeeInfo.aspx?CourseID=22756
    Slope of 126, 128, 131 off the different tees.


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    #1885
    blue note
    Registered Users Posts: 4,505 ✭✭✭blue note


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Golf Ireland website

    If hdid isn't going to update for casual rounds are they going to abandon the handicap thing altogether? No point in having it if it's not going to be right.


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    #1886
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,836 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    blue note wrote: »
    If hdid isn't going to update for casual rounds are they going to abandon the handicap thing altogether? No point in having it if it's not going to be right.

    Your handicap is not recorded on HDID.
    It is recorded on golf Ireland.


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    #1887
    Golfgraffix
    Registered Users Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭Golfgraffix


    blue note wrote: »
    If hdid isn't going to update for casual rounds are they going to abandon the handicap thing altogether? No point in having it if it's not going to be right.

    HDID and others no longer have anything to do with your handicap. They are now just competition software. Golf Ireland do all the calculations now


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    #1888
    blue note
    Registered Users Posts: 4,505 ✭✭✭blue note


    Seve OB wrote: »
    Your handicap is not recorded on HDID.
    It is recorded on golf Ireland.

    I know the gui is the official source. But hdid has always correctly shown my handicap. It's what the computers are linked to in the golf clubs I reckon so it's fair to say that clubs rely on it. I don't know if hdid was linked to gui site or if it calculated the handicaps based on what was entered into them. But it was always someplace you could find your handicap and if you can't still then it just won't work. And lots of clubs will need a new system for recording scores.

    I'm just going to assume it'll update for casual golf too. I'm sure they've thought of it.


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    #1889
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,836 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    blue note wrote: »
    But it was always someplace you could find your handicap and if you can't still then it just won't work.

    But you just go to golf Ireland to find your handicap so of course it will work


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    #1890
    blue note
    Registered Users Posts: 4,505 ✭✭✭blue note


    Seve OB wrote: »
    But you just go to golf Ireland to find your handicap so of course it will work

    Golf Ireland isn't working for me - some problem with my PIN. But more importantly, why would I use two sites? I'll have HDID anyway for scores. I might as well just get my handicap from there.

    I still can't imagine that HDID hasn't synced up with it. They'd have to close their business if they haven't.


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    #1891
    PabloAndRoy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭PabloAndRoy


    Golfgraffix wrote: »
    HDID and others no longer have anything to do with your handicap. They are now just competition software. Golf Ireland do all the calculations now

    I assume these providers have the ability to query golf ireland via an API to get the HI?

    Is there a possibility to sync a set of GUIDs or is the call a one call per GUID (done at competition entry time)?

    Any limits on the quantity of API calls?


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