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Pubs open good Friday shows TDs in Vintners pockets

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    #122
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,499 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    Sober or pissed, night or day Dublin is never a nice CC to walk around in and its not drunks making it so

    At night, which we are discussing, it is.

    The addicts tend to be tucked in bed at that stage.


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    #123
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    London and Parisian standards are not too big for Dublin to emulate.

    If there was a will it would be done through, yes, education but also enforcement which both those cities do ruthlessly compared to us.

    And it works. In Dublin it's almost lawless drunkenness.

    I hope things are changing but I don't see it, yet.

    But London allows bars to open every day of the week and every hour of the day?

    So there is more access to drink than Dublin yet they are able to control it. Why is that?


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    #124
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,499 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Mr.H wrote: »
    But London allows bars to open every day of the week and every hour of the day?

    So there is more access to drink than Dublin yet they are able to control it. Why is that?

    They have far better policing than we do. Try spot a guard between the canals after 9 pm on weekends...you'll see a van in Temple Bar, the odd car, and that's it.

    There is not remotely the enforcement needed.

    That applies during the day almost as much by the way!


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    #125
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    At night, which we are discussing, it is.

    The addicts tend to be tucked in bed at that stage.

    The addicts are wide awake and causing trouble after the clubs in Dublin as well I'll tell you that


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    #126
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    They have far better policing than we do. Try spot a guard between the canals after 9 pm on weekends...

    There is not remotely the enforcement needed.

    That applies during the day almost as much by the way!

    So what you are saying is it is nothing to do with what days or times the bars are open and more to do with policing?

    I agree that is an aspect.


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    #127
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,499 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Mr.H wrote: »
    The addicts are wide awake and causing trouble after the clubs in Dublin as well I'll tell you that

    Maybe that's the case I don't know. Never had a problem in the early hours with addicts. Maybe I have just been lucky.


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    #128
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,499 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Mr.H wrote: »
    So what you are saying is it is nothing to do with what days or times the bars are open and more to do with policing?

    I agree that is an aspect.

    It's a big aspect.

    I agree the opening times are daft because everyone knocks back before closing.

    We don't have the effort needed on multiple fronts to change things.

    I think things have to change because it's reputational damage (and sometimes worse) at the end of the day. When that will be, I won't hold my breath.


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    #129
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    It's a big aspect.

    I agree the opening times are daft because everyone knocks back before closing.

    We don't have the effort needed on multiple fronts to change things.

    I think things have to change because it's reputational damage (and sometimes worse) at the end of the day. When that will be, I won't hold my breath.

    I think its unfair to put the blame mostly on the Gardai. Thats like saying "you should have arrested me before I got into a fight".

    The biggest issue is education simple as. We need to teach our society young and old the effects of not just drinking, but violent behavior. Drinking is only talked about as a danger to organ and body health where the other issues associated with it such as violence, mental health and the harm verbal abuse can cause.

    As a society we need to be given more freedom and harsher punishments. No closing times would be my suggestion. But public disorder would be punished with mandatory minimum public service work. If you are involved in something stupid you should at least get a week of community services. Clean the streets and parks. Punishments need to be more beneficial to society as a whole and not just send people to jail for everything.

    But I wouldnt blame the Gardai because I believe that most Gardai are just doing the best they can. They are under resourced and their superiors are not giving them what they need to do the job. What they need is better laws regarding punishments.


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    #130
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users Posts: 24,473 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    At night, which we are discussing, it is.
    Sorry, I didn't realise you're setting the exact context of this thread
    Leave you too it...


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    #131
    Irishsneachta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 48 ✭Irishsneachta


    People have little to be crying about


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    #132
    Kimbot
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    MOD Thread already discussing this here: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057834196


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