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sniperman

MOD NOTE

Gonna put this here so anyone reading the thread from the start doesn't get caught out by saying they didn't know.

There has been 15 removed posts and three MOD WARNINGS on this thread regarding posting/discussion of methods of combatting poaching that are illegal. It won't be tolerated and infractions will be issued without warning to anyone caught posting such content.

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hi folks,was out bunny bashing the last 3 nights with a mate who took me to some of his permissions,we were around silvermines,templederry areas,anyway the amount of deer we seen in some fields while lamping made me observe how easy it would have been to take some of the deer,i mean here they were standing in front of us, about 100 yards or so,wind howling,shots would have been not so loud,lots of time to clean them,back to the van,not a ranger or check point in sight,could have easily done 3 or 4.its no wonder poaching is rampant,it seems so easy,seen deer all of the 3 nights, any way got 25 bunnies in 3 nights,.22lr winnie subs,:)

270WIN

i wonder should you be giving an address here?

sniperman

270WIN wrote: »

i wonder should you be giving an address here?

im sure these places are already well known;)

extremetaz

sniperman wrote: »

got 25 bunnies in 3 nights,.22lr winnie subs,:)

That's good shooting in wind with subs - don't rate the winchester stuff myself either so good job!

stevep1018

sniperman wrote: »

hi folks,was out bunny bashing the last 3 nights with a mate who took me to some of his permissions,we were around silvermines,templederry areas,anyway the amount of deer we seen in some fields while lamping made me observe how easy it would have been to take some of the deer,i mean here they were standing in front of us, about 100 yards or so,wind howling,shots would have been not so loud,lots of time to clean them,back to the van,not a ranger or check point in sight,could have easily done 3 or 4.its no wonder poaching is rampant,it seems so easy,seen deer all of the 3 nights, any way got 25 bunnies in 3 nights,.22lr winnie subs,:)

Stick around for a while and you will see it going on with your own eyes.i live around here and if you travel up the mountain at night and wait for a little bit...it's like a rave in the sky with all the lights.its not as easy as you might think to get away with it,it really really gets under my skin when people do it and get away with it.you wana see how fast they scamper when my buddy and I sneak up on them though,when we are out for vermin.im not a grass but deer are few and far between around here this year in my opinion so I might have to change that.

Hunter456

was chatting to the fishery's board a couple of weeks ago and he said it was like Shannon airport up here the other night, they have look outs a mile or so down the roads on either side of the hill.:eek::eek::eek:

Grizzly 45

Just a random thought on this problem...
Could the army not be seconded, or particular units to NPWS to combat poaching here?Like the ARW?They have the training, night vision and thermal equipment, camouflage, drones, and whatnot and skill to move at night, all they need is a member of NPWS or AGS with them to make it legal for search and arrest?

If you have been trained in counter-terrorism, guerrilla warfare and all the rest, it shouldn't be too hard to deal with a bunch of yahoos telling everyone within miles where they are with their light shows?

Even if they couldn't be employed, maybe even a bit of PSYOPS[Psychological Operations] of making out that they are being deployed and have been seen, with a few press statements or photo ops, in certain areas might scare the feckers out of an area for a while?

Jerry Mac

Something needs doing to cull the numbers, see no problem in lads whacking a shot of them.

Vizzy

Jerry Mac wrote: »

Something needs doing to cull the numbers, see no problem in lads whacking a shot of them.

Except, maybe, that it is illegal ?

Doctors room ghost

stevep1018 wrote: »

Stick around for a while and you will see it going on with your own eyes.i live around here and if you travel up the mountain at night and wait for a little bit...it's like a rave in the sky with all the lights.its not as easy as you might think to get away with it,it really really gets under my skin when people do it and get away with it.you wana see how fast they scamper when my buddy and I sneak up on them though,when we are out for vermin.im not a grass but deer are few and far between around here this year in my opinion so I might have to change that.

You should get a few bangers up the north and when ye sneak up close to the poachers let off a banger right near them in the dead of night and they won’t be long leaving the wee deer alone.they will sh1t themselves.an odd good fright won’t be long shifting them on a bit

Hunter456

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Just a random thought on this problem...
Could the army not be seconded, or particular units to NPWS to combat poaching here?Like the ARW?They have the training, night vision and thermal equipment, camouflage, drones, and whatnot and skill to move at night, all they need is a member of NPWS or AGS with them to make it legal for search and arrest?

If you have been trained in counter-terrorism, guerrilla warfare and all the rest, it shouldn't be too hard to deal with a bunch of yahoos telling everyone within miles where they are with their light shows?

Even if they couldn't be employed, maybe even a bit of PSYOPS[Psychological Operations] of making out that they are being deployed and have been seen, with a few press statements or photo ops, in certain areas might scare the feckers out of an area for a while?

It needs sorting fast and people need to be apprehended for this mindless act, these people are licensed firearm holders that's the worrying thing about this. But it's looks to me that the NWPS wont act as there is isn't enough rangers around to set up check points. Don't know the situation for gardai over that way I'd imagine the local Garda would be ballina or neagh but they are slow to act aswell.

stevep1018

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

You should get a few bangers up the north and when ye sneak up close to the poachers let off a banger right near them in the dead of night and they won’t be long leaving the wee deer alone.they will sh1t themselves.an odd good fright won’t be long shifting them on a bit

Brilliant idea.but they will just move on to another spot or change times.went for a drive to a spot of mine that's a bit away last week,went out the drive and turned up the hill and met 2 lads whom I don't know but know where they live driving down the road in a crew cab with 3 does in it....the steam rising from them.problem was it was 7.30 am.whos going to catch these lads.i gave them an angry shake of the finger and drove on.

Hunter456

stevep1018 wrote: »

Brilliant idea.but they will just move on to another spot or change times.went for a drive to a spot of mine that's a bit away last week,went out the drive and turned up the hill and met 2 lads whom I don't know but know where they live driving down the road in a crew cab with 3 does in it....the steam rising from them.problem was it was 7.30 am.whos going to catch these lads.i gave them an angry shake of the finger and drove on.

they are never to fare away are they.

sniperman

i fully agree that something needs to be done,poaching is just too easy,maybe a small bit in the local rag warning of the penalties,or as said above an few checkpoints by the army,its ruining the stalking for us all

Walter Mittys Brother

Some right la la posts here :eek:

Calling in the Army & ARW made me giggle though

Cass

I'm happy to let the thread run regardless of the type of opinion/idea on how to deal with this, but i draw the line when people incite violence and criminal destruction of property.

For the love of jaysus lads, cop on. This forum is public, you are NOT anonymous, and we DO NOT condone any calls for violence or criminal/illegal activity.

stevep1018

I have no intention of committing any crimes against these poachers.we are all just having the laugh.i still don't know how to stop the poachers when I meet them so if there is any constructive ideas that don't break the law,I would love to hear them.i only get to go out now once a month and it's soul destroying when you get to your permissions and just at day break you see someone's been there already.i have no deer in my freezer and with only a couple of weeks to go it's looking bleak for me.i sent a ranting letter back with my deer application along with the survey which I wrote an essay with every question and no reply.i gave full contact details and not so much as an email.sorry for the rant but if it keeps up I might as well just give it up.

Cass

stevep1018 wrote: »

I have no intention of committing any crimes against these poachers.

I've removed the offending post. There was no subtlety in what the poster was saying.

J.R.

Can a photo of the poachers' vehicle with reg clearly visible be taken and passed onto local Gardaí with time & location?

stevep1018

J.R. wrote: »

Can a photo of the poachers' vehicle with reg clearly visible be taken and passed onto local Gardaí with time & location?

I can't see how it would work as then it's your word against the poachers.

Grizzly 45

Walter Mittys Brother wrote: »

Some right la la posts here :eek:

Calling in the Army & ARW made me giggle though

Called thinking outside the box....

Grizzly 45

stevep1018 wrote: »

I can't see how it would work as then it's your word against the poachers.

Not necessarily, its an eyewitness with video/photographic evidence, and if you are willing to go the whole 9yards and testify under oath on the witness box of a district court, it's strong evidence...
That's if........

You want to do this and these scumbags then know who to go and pay a visit for your "Rattin them out"

The AGS/NPWS consider it worth pushing as a crime.

Your judge isn't from Ennis and virtually commends them for their public services and lets them walk free.:rolleyes:

stevep1018

Quote,

You want to do this and these scumbags then know who to go and pay a visit for your "Rattin them out.

Good point.the law won't be able sort that out for me.i think there is no harm in leaving a note on these poachers window stating that you know what their up to and the details have been passed on to the local garda.it might keep them away for a while or move them on

sniperman

i think a small piece in the local rags warning of the penalties,and stating checkpoints will be in force,and guns will be taken, if caught, may make a lot of them think twice, but could an ordinary joe put such a piece legally in the paper?id gladly do and pay for it if i thought it would do any good,least this way no one need rat out anyone,damage vans etc,just a thought

Wadi14

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Just a random thought on this problem...
Could the army not be seconded, or particular units to NPWS to combat poaching here?Like the ARW?They have the training, night vision and thermal equipment, camouflage, drones, and whatnot and skill to move at night, all they need is a member of NPWS or AGS with them to make it legal for search and arrest?

If you have been trained in counter-terrorism, guerrilla warfare and all the rest, it shouldn't be too hard to deal with a bunch of yahoos telling everyone within miles where they are with their light shows?

Even if they couldn't be employed, maybe even a bit of PSYOPS[Psychological Operations] of making out that they are being deployed and have been seen, with a few press statements or photo ops, in certain areas might scare the feckers out of an area for a while?

Its too late waiting till the poacher is up the hill or in the forest and then driving around trying to catch them, you need to be in position well before them and then they are wasting their time putting guys on the roads to see u coming. your there waiting on them.
Im not a hunter so I don't know the background, but if the authorities where serious they could catch a lot of these guys.

Grizzly 45

If, the area is like what is described, a freakin Brocks benefit display of jack lights being waved about, you can be sure they will be back the following night or weekend.It's not a question of chasing after them, its a question of catching them in the act and making an example out of one group properly with the courts and the law and to show that the gloves are off in this malarkey.No one takes NPWS or AGS seriously in situations like these,as they know the fine and whatnot is lenient.Finding yourself looking down a few MP5 barrels being pointed at you by lads in ghillie suits, being hooded, handcuffed, tagged and dumped into the back of a truck, while being used as a footrest for a half dozen pairs of size 12 combat boots and then seeing the next light of day in a Garda interrogation room,is I would imagine being a very scary, and sobering experience.

The crux is this..drastic times call for drastic measures, we can pussyfoot around with things like Deer tags, or play fiddleyfuk with bringing in licensing which will give us licensed poachers,and vacuum more money out of our pockets.Or we can spend 24/7 in our lets trying to catch on video poachers, or we can fill the forests with trail cams sending us real footage and stills,or report incidents on the anti-poaching hotline, to be told it's not good enough for a prosecution.

Or,we can ask the state to use whatever resources it has to hand in combating a crime spree in our country.Whats to say this cant be integrated into a PR/PSYOP operation that this is the new Govt initiative to combat rural crime against elderly farmers living alone?You can sell this idea to a politican as this is something they love.It has all the ingredients for good pr and election winning.It creates DOUBT in the criminal mind and especially if even the parts are played out, Sell the sizzle, not the sausages...A 72 hour recce, FS I can still do that no bother.So whats that to a squad of pros?

Or like the song by Delametri."Nothing ever happens at all"We just sit back and complain about this and that someone has to "do something" for another season, and another, and another.And when someone does, it will cost US money or easy access to deer hunting in Ireland...It's in our hands' people.

Cass

Final warning.

One more post about how to give a set of low profiles, or in any way damage someone else's property, and it's an infraction/ban then i'll shut the thread.


Criminality cannot be combated by more criminality and whether you agree with that or not doesn't really matter because the forum rules say NO DISCUSSION OF ILLEGAL ACTIVITY.

Cass

I've been contacted by a few lads and they, rightly, said this is an important topic.

To that end i've done a review of the thread and removed anything even close to illegal. The thread is open again, but i'll stress this one last time.

ANY discussion of illegal activity or criminality will be met with an infraction and permanent closure of the thread.

There will be no warnings after this.

stevep1018

Bad night foxing last night.met 5 shot none.didnt get a chance to shoot.they scampered minute they saw the light.my old mate reckons that because of the deer poachers,the foxes associate the lamp with a bang.i agree because on my other land with no deer we don't have this problem.alot of snow up the hill so we only met one other vehicle.we had spotted deer in a field and drove on 50 yards to another spot and walked in to a fox when 5 mins later a vehicle pulled up where the deer were.they lit up the field but the deer had gone.somebody must have frightened the deer with the horn in the van.....they pulled up to our field next and lit it up.i would love to have seen their faces when they saw us three waving at them from the middle of the field.so guys in the silver rav 4,stop and say hi next time.

ayagerard

well what we need to act on here is the political will to do something about
poaching first ,plenty lads driving around with the 204 in the front seat with the 308 with thermal imaging in the back, who looks in the back no one is breaking the law by having one in the backseat of a jeep covered by a coat rug what ever ,the guards , rangers , army, need to search any vehicle front, back, middle , completely even when told this is all we have at foxes the 204 ????,

the will to stop this wont come from farmers landowners as 90% just want the animals gone and the crowd following them us hunters with them, but they do recognize that some one keeping an eye on things happening on their land is better than no one at all looking , certainly better than comercial hunts again
getting the ifa on side will be the big one here

one or two cars parked the far side of the wood are only the mice nibbling at the cheese. but 4 lads going home at first light could have a lot of damage done with a van doing a follow up and the usual story no body no crime, us licensed hunters think in numbers of 1-2 animals and how hard it was to get them back to the car and home ,, 20-30 a night is not impossible to these boys well organised 3-4 lads 2 vehicle the driver never leaves the vehicle so you wont get a chance for (maguire & patterson) and certainly wont be shooting 400-500 yards from the road it just takes to long to recover, phone
gps marked move on van on the way
if the will to stop this was there we would see all the poachers moving to co clare or at least hoping they got caught there at least , most of these groups are known to the authorities i would think definitely known by the game dealers and exporters ,but are being maned by non nationals now an economic decision i would think , and no i wont be stopping these guys making any suggestions about their illegal activity or wont be recommending any one to approach them , these boys have nothing to loose , came here by truck and will leave by truck only here for the money they can make for a couple of months then gone
operation bambi needs to be implemented fully like the drink driving if there is an accident mandatory breath test , if a vehicle is suspesius search it if no good reason confiscate the guns and send them on to the super to decide could take a while ?? second offence ,crush vehicle , firearms offences , 5000 to poor box min , that will take the fun out of the game ,but don't send them to clare , a chap got 4 months suspended for stealing a e3.50 sandwich from a shop while 3 men got 6 months suspended for stealing 4 cattle e 3200 from a farmer and left him without an income , it is just nuts the punishment must fit the crime , when the guards do their job encouragement is what they need not a kick in the teeth by some cynical judge that don't want to do what his job requires ,one rotten apple will spoil a barrel of apples if left , hence where we are here to day the non implementation of existing laws , implement the law as it stands more bodies on the ground not willing to turn a blind eye to what is going on and an end to the back scratching , law and regulations are for law abiding people , not these people, so it needs to be imposed upon them and the punishment needs to hurt
just my 2 cents

Grizzly 45

Don't think anyone around here would even bother with thermal imaging.At still around 4grand starting for a weapons mountable system?

IF There were proper prosecution and enforcement, you could be assured any poaching gang would have to seriously up their game and invest heavily in equipment, vehicles and tactics.What they are doing here would be to both US and German Fish&Game rangers just so many easy collars, they would all be promoted within days for the catches and arrests made.

TAKE THE MONEY LURE OUT OF THIS situation and this whole industry will collapse.I'll say it until I'm blue in the face.This is a low risk "aisey money "enterprise for lowlifes if game dealers of the dubious kind stash 20grand away each season as a "business expense" in case they get caught and fined in the district court, isn't that saying something on both money made and attitude?

If the law won't come down, the govt won't recognise a problem or deploy resources or manpower the bureaucrats and our own "organisations" are using this for a legislation and money-spinning exercise ..Don't be surprised that vigilantism might take hold.