Saorview and Freesat TV

rcomyn

Hi, sorry if this has already been posted as I imagine it must be a pretty common request.
I'm looking for a TV for my parents who are currently using a combo set top box and want to simplify the current system to one TV with one remote, they're looking for:

49/50 inches
Saorview and Freesat tuners (in a combined 7 Day EPG) (also ideally HD)
Smart features for Netflix would be a bonus but not essential
Somewhat future proof (e.g. 4K etc)
[*]

Does such a thing exist or am I dreaming? Thanks in advance.

RangeR

rcomyn wrote: »

Hi, sorry if this has already been posted as I imagine it must be a pretty common request.
I'm looking for a TV for my parents who are currently using a combo set top box and want to simplify the current system to one TV with one remote, they're looking for:

49/50 inches
Saorview and Freesat tuners (in a combined 7 Day EPG) (also ideally HD)
Smart features for Netflix would be a bonus but not essential
Somewhat future proof (e.g. 4K etc)
[*]

Does such a thing exist or am I dreaming? Thanks in advance.

Pretty much all LG smart Tv's.

Have a look at currys.ie or
harveynorman.ie

Currys usually have smashing deals on Line.

RangeR

Check this bargain alert

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057815434/1/#post105435072

Gerry Wicklow

According to the Powercity website, the LG Tvs have separate channel lists for Saorview and satellite. Other threads here have also mentioned cumbersome switching. This is something to be wary of if buying any TV with satellite built in.

The Cush

Powercity stock a range of Walker and Nordmende TVs that have a single channel list for both Saorview and satellite. The satellite tuner is for FTA channels and not Freesat so no 7 days epg. Thee channel list starts at 301. Netflix and 4K included.

emaherx

Gerry Wicklow wrote: »

According to the Powercity website, the LG Tvs have separate channel lists for Saorview and satellite. Other threads here have also mentioned cumbersome switching. This is something to be wary of if buying any TV with satellite built in.

The cumbersome switching is wildly exadurated on this forum.

exaisle

emaherx wrote: »

The cumbersome switching is wildly exadurated on this forum.

Do you have one of the LG TVs with separate Satellite and Terrestrial menus? I do.

It takes 14 keystrokes to change from Terrestrial to Satellite on my LG TV:Settings>Right>Right>Enter>Down>Down>Down>Enter>Down>Down>Enter>Down>Exit
Subsequent changes take only 9 keystrokes. Only 9! Whoop dee doo!
I don't see the wild exaggeration....

By comparison, the combi box is a pleasure to use. That takes none. Just change channel number. End of story.

Gerry Wicklow

A Samsung I used to have took a minimum 6 presses. The last channel button only operated between same sources.

dos30

exaisle wrote: »

Do you have one of the LG TVs with separate Satellite and Terrestrial menus? I do.

It takes 14 keystrokes to change from Terrestrial to Satellite on my LG TV:Settings>Right>Right>Enter>Down>Down>Down>Enter>Down>Down>Enter>Down>Exit
Subsequent changes take only 9 keystrokes. Only 9! Whoop dee doo!
I don't see the wild exaggeration....

By comparison, the combi box is a pleasure to use. That takes none. Just change channel number. End of story.

Try "Channel List" -> red button -> then select Freesat or Terrestrial.
This is what works on my LG TV bought last year and I think its the same for all the new models

St Senan

rcomyn wrote: »

Hi, sorry if this has already been posted as I imagine it must be a pretty common request.
I'm looking for a TV for my parents who are currently using a combo set top box and want to simplify the current system to one TV with one remote, they're looking for:

49/50 inches
Saorview and Freesat tuners (in a combined 7 Day EPG) (also ideally HD)
Smart features for Netflix would be a bonus but not essential
Somewhat future proof (e.g. 4K etc)
[*]

Does such a thing exist or am I dreaming? Thanks in advance.

Op have a read thru this thread and look at the pictures i posted up. Ideally the Walker, Nordmende TVs have everything your after " your parents need" with the exception of the 7 day epg for UK channels. All the channels are on same screen/menu and only 1 remote control.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=102912544#post102912544

exaisle

dos30 wrote: »

Try "Channel List" -> red button -> then select Freesat or Terrestrial.
This is what works on my LG TV bought last year and I think its the same for all the new models

Yup. That works alright. It brings the number of keystrokes down to 8.
That's 8 more than a combi box...

dos30

exaisle wrote: »

Yup. That works alright. It brings the number of keystrokes down to 8.
That's 8 more than a combi box...

Don't know how you counted 8. Channel List, Red Button, Up/Down, Enter.
The freesat menu is far superior than a combi box, plus it doesn't need retuning when the satellite channels change. You get the 7 day guide and the red button functionality.

Ten Pin

From this thread...

mackersdublin said:
There's a much easier way on LG Freesat TVs

Using the Home button, there's a "My Channels" or "My Programmes" in older models

Add any Saorview channel and when you are in Freesat mode add one of them

I have RTE One and BBC One HD added to "My Channels" so it's very easy to flick between the 2 services

emaherx

Gerry Wicklow wrote: »

A Samsung I used to have took a minimum 6 presses. The last channel button only operated between same sources.

Yes. First button "ch list" then you follow the on screen instructions. It's not like you have to remember some magical secret 6 button combination.

Still has full EPG on both Tuners. No external box and only the TV's original remote to use.

The walkers don't have full EPG neither do the cheapo combo boxes. (Obviously there are some Linux boxes which do and are a great option but require a bit after setting up)

I don't have an LG but does setting up some favourites from Sat and Terristrial tuners not speed up tuner changes? (Thought I read somewhere on here something like that)

I have a Samsung which has a little menu to change between tuners so people are getting upset that they have to use the up or down button and select?

I also have an old Sony Freesat TV which has a single button change which is nice but they stopped making Freesat TV's.

How often do people really change between tuners anyway? There is only 2 or maybe 3 channels on Saorview worth watching. So you can pretty much flick on the Terrestrial guide look at the whole day for your 2 or 3 channels decide there is nothing on and go back to Freesat.

Gerry Wicklow

dos30 wrote: »

Don't know how you counted 8. Channel List, Red Button, Up/Down, Enter.
The freesat menu is far superior than a combi box, plus it doesn't need retuning when the satellite channels change. You get the 7 day guide and the red button functionality.

Any decent combo box...
UP > scroll UP/DOWN to desired channel > OK for all available channels terrestrial AND satellite

or if you prefer

full 7 day EPG > scroll UP/DOWN to desired channel > OK for all available channels terrestrial AND satellite

The main satellite channels very rarely change. The Red Button channel is easily available.

chancer007

got rid of sky
have aerial & satellite feed.
which is the best value combi box on the market?
i cud also buy a sky freesat card & flick between antenna/hdmi I suppose...but combi box would be handier..

RangeR

What about Saorview Connect? I haven't used it but I believe it does SAT too.

deezell

emaherx wrote: »

The cumbersome switching is wildly exadurated on this forum.

Not if you've just paid shedloads for a new QLED samsung, only to discover the saorview/freessat epg conundrum. I cant belive such a high end TV with 2017 technology stickers all over the box can't do something as simple a let you create a favourites list with both sat channels and saorview channels, and that's before you discover the 7 day epg only works if you register as being in the UK. WTF, I bought this as my old plasma was creaking, and my old Edision box died. I didn't want a new combi box, already have a Sab triple in the other room which does all this flawlessly, but I didn't want a linux combi in the TV room where others use it. seemed like a good opportunity to combine Tv and combi tuner, and go up a gear in picture quality.
Its 99.9 saorview viewing anyway, but 6-8 button pressses to get to the sat list? then have to use my phone back to the linux combi box web interface to see the EPG of the channel I want to watch. The picture quality is awesome though, different class, not worth sacrificing for the sake of the Walker/Nordmende EPG .

Gerry Wicklow

RangeR wrote: »

What about Saorview Connect? I haven't used it but I believe it does SAT too.

Saorview CONnect Twice the price for sod all functions. It doesn't even record (yet)

@chancer007 check out this

emaherx

deezell wrote: »

Not if you've just paid shedloads for a new QLED samsung, only to discover the saorview/freessat epg conundrum. I cant belive such a high end TV with 2017 technology stickers all over the box can't do something as simple a let you create a favourites list with both sat channels and saorview channels, and that's before you discover the 7 day epg only works if you register as being in the UK. WTF, I bought this as my old plasma was creaking, and my old Edision box died. I didn't want a new combi box, already have a Sab triple in the other room which does all this flawlessly, but I didn't want a linux combi in the TV room where others use it. seemed like a good opportunity to combine Tv and combi tuner, and go up a gear in picture quality.
Its 99.9 saorview viewing anyway, but 6-8 button pressses to get to the sat list? then have to use my phone back to the linux combi box web interface to see the EPG of the channel I want to watch. The picture quality is awesome though, different class, not worth sacrificing for the sake of the Walker/Nordmende EPG .

The single combined full Freesat/Saorview EPG will never exist on these Telly's and it's not the manufacturers fault it is Freesat who provide the their EPG and they prevent this. Infact the manufacturers are not allowed to market the Freesat EPG at Ireland which is why you have to setup your TV in UK mode.

Now they could make it simpler with a single button press like the Sony's did, but it has to be 2 different guides.

rcomyn

Thanks a mill for all the responses. So what I’m getting from all of this is that the choice is between 7 day Freesat epg on an LG tv or combined epg on a walker? Don’t really know much about Walker really but my gut tells me to stick to big brands (if anyone knows better please correct me though)

From the few pieces I picked up from other threads I had seen something about being able to set up Freesat TVs (I think it was an LG) with a uk postcode, then tune in terrestrial channels, reorder them into the list as they show up somewhere in the 800s. Have I got the wrong idea from that?

Gerry Wicklow

rcomyn wrote: »

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From the few pieces I picked up from other threads I had seen something about being able to set up Freesat TVs (I think it was an LG) with a uk postcode, then tune in terrestrial channels, reorder them into the list as they show up somewhere in the 800s. Have I got the wrong idea from that?

Correct. The UK postcode simply sets up whatever region you want. Use a London postcode for BBC/ITV London, Belfast code for BBC NI/UTV, Cardiff for Wales etc

deezell

emaherx wrote: »

The single combined full Freesat/Saorview EPG will never exist on these Telly's and it's not the manufacturers fault it is Freesat who provide the their EPG and they prevent this. Infact the manufacturers are not allowed to market the Freesat EPG at Ireland which is why you have to setup your TV in UK mode.

Now they could make it simpler with a single button press like the Sony's did, but it has to be 2 different guides.

Looks like we need Linux combi Tv's....

frosty123

dos30 wrote: »

Try "Channel List" -> red button -> then select Freesat or Terrestrial.
This is what works on my LG TV bought last year and I think its the same for all the new models

and will it list saorview and satellite channels in one list ??

deezell

frosty123 wrote: »

and will it list saorview and satellite channels in one list ??

Big fat No to that. Complete PITA.

Nobbies

I,m like op hoping to buy anew t.v with freesat and free to air built in tuner,its being said most l.g t.vs have both?in specifications though it's not stated unless i don't know what way it's described.link here from l.g t.v of currys

http://www.currys.ie/Mobile/Product/lg-49uj701v-49-smart-4k-ultra-hd-hdr-led-tv/343278/397.0.2#ctl00_ctl00__nestedContent__mainpageContent_ProductFamilyDetailsView1_liProductDetails

Johnboy1951

Nobbies wrote: »

I,m like op hoping to buy anew t.v with freesat and free to air built in tuner,its being said most l.g t.vs have both?in specifications though it's not stated unless i don't know what way it's described.link here from l.g t.v of currys

http://www.currys.ie/Mobile/Product/lg-49uj701v-49-smart-4k-ultra-hd-hdr-led-tv/343278/397.0.2#ctl00_ctl00__nestedContent__mainpageContent_ProductFamilyDetailsView1_liProductDetails

TV tuner

-Saorview Play
-DVB-T2 Irish Digital Ready Tuner
-DVB-S2 Irish Digital Ready HD Tuner
Electronic programme guide
8-day EPG and 7-day catch up with Saorview Play

It clearly states both DVB-T2 (terrestrial) and DVB-S2 (satellite) capability.

I would still want assurance from the seller as there are quite a number of ads that are not quite correct in relation to some specifications.

Nobbies

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

It clearly states both DVB-T2 (terrestrial) and DVB-S2 (satellite) capability.

I would still want assurance from the seller as there are quite a number of ads that are not quite correct in relation to some specifications.

i,m afraid many seller,s know very little in this area from my experience.

deezell

Due to some odd manufacturing licensing constraint, the tuners are either-or. You can't have both in the epg at the same time. You can't record sat and watch terrestrial. The UK freesat system with 7 day epg and automatic program numbering and update only works if the set is configured as being in the UK. Configure it as Ireland and the terrestrial tuner works perfectly for Saorview, but switch over to the satellite ( multiple button presses) and the epg is just now-next, with 500 odd channels in a large unsorted mess. I guess I'm spoiled by the versatility of linux settop boxes, which have immsculate epg displays with all sources combinable ( iptv included), picons, fully user configurable etc.

St Senan

The only TVs on the market that will have both the Irish " saorview " and UK "FTA" on the same screen without multiple button presses are the Walker and Nordmende TVs. I am setting them up each and every day for people through a shop i work for. now granted there is no 7 day epg for UK channels but nowadays everyone has smart phones so just download and customize www.tvguide.co.uk either on a phone, a tablet or laptop then you will have a 7 day "detailed" epg for all the channels. These TVs are brilliant for non techies or for some elderly people who dont understand selecting source buttons and just want to press up or down on remote control to move from channel to channel.

deezell

Navarre wrote: »

The only TVs on the market that will have both the Irish " saorview " and UK "FTA" on the same screen without multiple button presses are the Walker and Nordmende TVs. I am setting them up each and every day for people through a shop i work for. now granted there is no 7 day epg for UK channels but nowadays everyone has smart phones so just download and customize www.tvguide.co.uk either on a phone, a tablet or laptop then you will have a 7 day "detailed" epg for all the channels. These TVs are brilliant for non techies or for some elderly people who dont understand selecting source buttons and just want to press up or down on remote control to move from channel to channel.

Not much use if you want to upgrade to QLED or OLED image quality. The choice of brands is limited. There might be some hope in the form of an app, especially if your TV has an android operating system. I can't believe how crude the OSD on the samsug QLED is, its like something from an old smart box I have in the bin from years ago. Slick and versatile it is not. I put on an IPTV app which mentions a menu entry for TV's own tuners, I have to register it first, then I'll have a look to see if it's menu structures will combine IPTV with Terrestrial and Freesat when I get it up and running.

deezell

A few more comments on the tuner shortcomings of the Samsung Qled TV interface

1. It takes 9 button presses to change from Sat to terrestrial plus 2 exit presses to clear the menu and then the smart hub which pops up. (Ch.List-Right-Down-Down-Down-Down-OK-Up(orDown)-Ok, Exit-Exit)

2. With TV set to UK location you get Freesat 7 day EPG, but non-Freesat channels are missing and you can't tune individual TPs on this set to add them. No Horror channel.

3. It's either tune Freesat or all of Astra, but the latter loses you the 7 day EPG and the sorted channel list, even on UK location.

4. With UK location set, Saorview channels are numbered 800 plus, and incredibly you can't renumber them down to 1,2 etc, though you can renumber the sat channels if they were tuned without Freesat. So no RTE1 on Button 1 (having made 11 presses to go to terrestrial) , which is a No-No in my house. Trying to remember TV3 is on 85-something? forget it.

5. 7 day sat EPG is pointless if you can't browse it while watching terrestrial anyway.

6. The Ribbon in the smart hub only shows the most used channels for the current tuner, it ignores the previous ones when you switch tuner.

Only solution is to set the TV to Irish location, RTE1 starts at one, and switching to Sat gives you the Astra mess which is sortable and renumberable with time and patience. Backed up channel lists on Some Samsung smart TVs, H and J series, can I believe be loaded into PC software which gives an interactive interface to sort and arrange, for reloading back to the set, a bit like the Linux boxes. I'm not sure about the Qled series, but I do know that it sneers at you if you try to restore a Freesat list made while in UK location, having changed the set back to Ireland. I mean, how dare we!

So far I've programmed a remote control app, Anymote, with a macro to do all the button presses, but each press needs a long delay inserted as the TV dithers between presses, sometimes missing one. It works half the time.
There are direct network commands for the Samsung TVs, of this format, "KEY_VOLUP, KEY_MENU" and the like. These are programmed into the various remote apps you can download, such a ANYMOTE. There are command line utilities to be had which can send these commands directly to a Samsung TV, if you have the craft to implement them on a tablet or phone. The interesting thing about these is the list of commands, which are far more than are on the remote control, or on the app versions of Samsung remotes. The list is at the bottom of this resource,

https://github.com/openremote/Documentation/wiki/Samsung-Smart-TV

Of interest are these commands;
KEY_AUTO_ARC_ANTENNA_AIR,
KEY_AUTO_ARC_ANTENNA_CABLE,
KEY_AUTO_ARC_ANTENNA_SATELLITE,

I'm hoping that these commands would switch the set in one press from Sat tuner to Terrestrial. If anyone is interested enough the Anymote paid version of the app can send direct network commands, I'm just waiting for confirmation from Anymote if the above commands can be sent, as the free version doesn't allow you try it out. Alternatively there are resources for python coders etc. to create command line utilities, such as this; https://github.com/Ape/samsungctl.

I don't think I could have designed a worse interface for a TV, notwithstanding the licencing restrictions placed on the manufacturers. Restrictions on numbering, reordering (with freesat tuned on sat, the fixed channel numbers of terrestrial can't be removed when you create and re-order a favourites list, they stare out at you in complete disorder), restoration of settings, the favourites ribbon, etc. Beautiful picture, just don't change channel.

Johnboy1951

The above highlights one reason why I have TVs with tuners (some with Sat & Terr) which are never connected or used.

Instead I use one system which allows me to receive the channels I want; display them in the order I want; 7 day EPG on all channels; allows me to record and playback and feed that to all TVs client boxes.

No frustrations, and no more caring about how well a TV might handle some things. All the TV needs to do is display the picture in good quality.

deezell

Just as a follow up to this, I began the tedious process of wading through the 400+ free channels to weed out the dross, remove multiple versions of ch4, bbc1 etc. The next task was to renumber, add to a favourites list and reorder. This would give me some shape to the full list.. I could then break them into favourites groups later. Several hours of this, I needed a break and went to switch back to terrestrial for the 9.00 news, and mysteriously, an extra entry had appeared in the tuners list . It now contained Terrestrial, Satellite, and Freesat. Wtf? I clicked on it and my satellite list appeared in glorious order, BBC1 at 101 etc., the Genre menu item reappeared, entertainment, movies etc, and pressing guide brought up the full seven day EPG. All I had done was a lot of editing and several channel list backups. This is major. I'm still in region Ireland, my terrestrial is properly in saorview format and numbering, so happy days. To cap it all I discovered a menu item that allows scanning of individual TPs, I don't know how I missed it before, but with menu items appearing on the fly, anything is possible. ITV is not in HD in the list, but this is a minor quibble as I can put my non freesat channels in a favourites list under tuner choice " Satellite". I really don't know why this decided to appear, but it's a welcome improvement.

deezell

Just for a laugh, more likely a pained groan, I enquired from Samsung support if there was a shorter way of switching tuners than the current 11-12 presses, as in;
1 Ch. list
2 Right
3 Down
4 Down
5 Down
6 Down
7 OK (list of tuners)
8 Up or Down (+1)
9 Ok
10 Exit( ch. list)
11 Exit(Smart Hub)

I asked was there a utility, software update, some way of assigning the coloured buttons. They said no, then happily outlined pictorially a "short" method to access tuners. It consists of;

1 Ch. list
2 Right
3 Down
4 Down
5 Down
6 Down
7 OK
8 Up or Down
9 Ok
10 Exit( ch. list)
11 Exit(Smart Hub)

I'm speechless.

Gerry Wicklow

You should look for a job with them since you obviously know as much about it as they do

Sorry, I'll get my coat.....

deezell

Gerry Wicklow wrote: »

You should look for a job with them since you obviously know as much about it as they do

Sorry, I'll get my coat.....

HAHA, Just don't ask Samsung to get it for you. The appearance of Freesat while the set is configured as located in Ireland was a huge boost. Made it easier to (eleven button) flick over to the Beeb for the rugby in HD. Still a problem for SHMBO, I daren't leave it on Freesat, as 11 button pressses to return to RTE one is 10 too many. Freesat starts at 101. Why on earth the logic can't recognise a channel press of 1 as the terrestrial tuner I don't know

Gerry Wicklow

deezell wrote: »

... Why on earth the logic can't recognise a channel press of 1 as the terrestrial tuner I don't know

I'm open to correction on this but I seem to remember that it is a restriction imposed by Freesat. Combo boxes clearly show that it is technically feasible to mix and match.

Sam Russell

I have a Samsung and I can change from Sat to Ter by using the History part of the controller. Works fine.

Or I can press another button and move the arrow across and select RTE 1 or BBC 1. Works fine.

Even Mrs Russell can manage it.

It is a Samsung ES7000 with the Evolution plug in. Needs a software upgrade that I cannot get to load, but it is getting too old for Samsung to care.

deezell

Don't load the upgrade. Apparently the cross tuner history function disappeared on some Samsung sets when upgraded. It's like they tried to retrospectively f**k up Smart Tv's which had been useful up to then, in order to comply with idiosyncratic freesat licensing terms. On new Tv's, it's like having 2 separate sets, turning off one to watch the other. When in terrestrial there's no trace of satellite reception on the tv and vice versa.

The J Stands for Jay

exaisle wrote: »

Do you have one of the LG TVs with separate Satellite and Terrestrial menus? I do.

It takes 14 keystrokes to change from Terrestrial to Satellite on my LG TV:Settings>Right>Right>Enter>Down>Down>Down>Enter>Down>Down>Enter>Down>Exit
Subsequent changes take only 9 keystrokes. Only 9! Whoop dee doo!
I don't see the wild exaggeration....

By comparison, the combi box is a pleasure to use. That takes none. Just change channel number. End of story.

Wow, my two box setup is actually a lot easier.

deezell

McGaggs wrote: »

Wow, my two box setup is actually a lot easier.

Amen to that.

emaherx

deezell wrote: »

Amen to that.

The old Sony Freesat TV's change with a single button press. Don't think there is any license agreement that means you have to have multiple button presses, only that the Freesat guide must be completely separated from any other guides.

But my Samsung only takes 4 button presses
CH list, red button, up or down, select. (3 more than it should but it's not so bad)

jobless

lot of good info in this thread for someone that has no idea about TVs like me ... im basically in the same boat, have ditched sky and want saorview/freesat...

so if im reading it right, unless i want to buy walker i'll need to buy a combi box of some sort to have some sort of seamless tv experience between soarview and freesat?... is that correct?

deezell

jobless wrote: »

lot of good info in this thread for someone that has no idea about TVs like me ... im basically in the same boat, have ditched sky and want saorview/freesat...

so if im reading it right, unless i want to buy walker i'll need to buy a combi box of some sort to have some sort of seamless tv experience between soarview and freesat?... is that correct?

Pretty much. Certainly with Samsung its a pain in the h**e to swap twixt saorview and Freesat , nor can I cross tuner record, which is a cinch on any decent combi box. Getting a combi box that has full 7 day epg on both is tricky enough though, Linux boxes are where it's at but I think there may be a few other options. I'll have a read up.

jobless

deezell wrote: »

Pretty much. Certainly with Samsung its a pain in the h**e to swap twixt saorview and Freesat , nor can I cross tuner record, which is a cinch on any decent combi box. Getting a combi box that has full 7 day epg on both is tricky enough though, Linux boxes are where it's at but I think there may be a few other options. I'll have a read up.

thanks, better read up on them myself

deezell

jobless wrote: »

thanks, better read up on them myself

The likes of this Technomate combi
https://www.satellitetv.ie/sat-receivers-hd-1080p/technomate-tm5402-m3?sort=pd.name&order=ASC
can access 7 day sat epg after a bit if channel fiddling, I wonder can the saorview and Freesat channels be listed in a single favourites list, which is the whole point apart from 7 day epg. A box like this avoids getting into the linux boxes, which can be tricky to learn, though once set up they work really well.

Sam Russell

deezell wrote: »

Pretty much. Certainly with Samsung its a pain in the h**e to swap twixt saorview and Freesat , nor can I cross tuner record, which is a cinch on any decent combi box. Getting a combi box that has full 7 day epg on both is tricky enough though, Linux boxes are where it's at but I think there may be a few other options. I'll have a read up.

I have a Samsung that is quite easy to change, but it is quite old at this stage. [ES7000 with the Evolution upgrade that makes it equivalent to the F7000]

The evolution kit brought a new small remote that brings two features. One is a history that allows one to select a channel recently viewed so changing from Freesat to Saorview or the other way is easy. Or alternatively selecting from a list that includes (in my case) RTE 1 or BBC 1. Prior to the new kit, it was a PITA changing.

Obviously later TVs might have different methods.

deezell

Sam Russell wrote: »

I have a Samsung that is quite easy to change, but it is quite old at this stage. [ES7000 with the Evolution upgrade that makes it equivalent to the F7000]

The evolution kit brought a new small remote that brings two features. One is a history that allows one to select a channel recently viewed so changing from Freesat to Saorview or the other way is easy. Or alternatively selecting from a list that includes (in my case) RTE 1 or BBC 1. Prior to the new kit, it was a PITA changing.

Obviously later TVs might have different methods.

They've killed the history function on the remote and on the little voice operated additional one that's supposed to be able to learn all sorts of remotes and commands. History will only jump between previous channels on the currently selected tuner. The little remote has "channel list" as a voice command, but not " satellite, terrestrial " or "freesat". Watch RTE and say " BBC one", it hasn't a clue. Terrestrial and Satellite are two different Tv's. It's that bad. Their response to a support query was nothing short of moronic. Probably a bot.

Sam Russell

deezell wrote: »

They've killed the history function on the remote and on the little voice operated additional one that's supposed to be able to learn all sorts of remotes and commands. History will only jump between previous channels on the currently selected tuner. The little remote has "channel list" as a voice command, but not " satellite, terrestrial " or "freesat". Watch RTE and say " BBC one", it hasn't a clue. Terrestrial and Satellite are two different Tv's. It's that bad. Their response to a support query was nothing short of moronic. Probably a bot.

That is a retrograde move.

deezell

Sam Russell wrote: »

That is a retrograde move.

Forced on them by freesat licensing? I also read in the blogs how innovative programmers who write little " fixes" for their firmware are saying that Samsung are blocking access more and more.