Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

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Harika

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

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I think it never got announced what Honda is paying Toro Rosso but it will be something to put the sticker on the car. RedBull is a bigger fish but is also not so reliant on sponsorship money as they are itself their sponsor and are paying atm for their engines. Even free engines will be a boost for them.
Sure, as above mentioned, TR scored not better than McLaren last year, but TR has two rookies and their agenda is bringing rookies into F1 and not win races, their aero department is also smaller than McLarens and Hondas reliability issues seems to be under control at least. Still I expect penalties but so far their partnership is far better working than the McLaren one.
just checked Sainz and Kyvat with three seasons under their belt, was only scoring a bit better than TR now.
8-7-Ret-10 / Kyvat 9-Ret-12-12
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Ret-4-18-12 / 15-17-20-10

Frank Bullitt

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

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They are 4 races with that unit, when RB got the Renault RS27 in 2007 they weren't winning races either with it until 2009, and that was a title winning unit the previous year. Williams have the current Merc unit and are struggling as well.

McLaren also have Peter Prodromou, who was Newys righthand man at RB. Saying it was McLarens issues over Honda because they aren't winning races yet or beating RB is a bit of a stretch.

It was never going to be a plug and play for McLaren.

Harika

Gintonious wrote: »

Saying it was McLarens issues over Honda because they aren't winning races yet or beating RB is a bit of a stretch.

It was never going to be a plug and play for McLaren.

I think it is a lot of mockery as McLaren claimed to have the best chassis and just the engine is holding them back.

Frank Bullitt

Harika wrote: »

I think it is a lot of mockery as McLaren claimed to have the best chassis and just the engine is holding them back.

That may be the case, I think they said one of the best, not to nit pick though.

McLaren are also the only team this year to have both cars reach the chequered flag at every race as well. Before you can be fast, you have to be reliable.

meeeeh

McLaren are one of the teams with highest budget in F1 or at least they were up to this year, I think they cut budget drastically this year. They are not the team that should be comparing themselves to Toro Rosso. They were under preforming, not just Honda but the whole team. They also have at least one better driver than majority of other teams. That being said I often wonder if Alonso isn't destructive influence on the team(s) when things go wrong. While their chassis certainly isn't the worst there is absolutely no proof they are anywhere near the top. The results don't point to that.

Joeface

It is only going to get harder of McLaren to succeed this season from now on

Just going on Yesterdays race , the Pace of the Renault Renaults and the Redbull( even though poorer than expected) was well head of what the Mclaren seems to be Capable of . Force India seem to have had a massive Recovery and were on par with front of the Grid for most of the weekend . This just adds to list of teams Mclaren have to get a head off.

yesterdays race had loads I of stuff off camera that was missed and some of the camera switching was awful.

Start of the Day has to go to Gasly the over head camera footage of the start shows how good a start he actually had it was excellent . Didnt know however that KMag had hit him at one of the restarts and bent his steering and broke his wing mirror (https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/135700/gasly-magnussen-most-dangerous-driver-ive-raced)
Penatly points for KMag . Not sure it is even a Good Race course but my does it throw spanners everywhere .


Also Redbull have started Formal Talks with Honda .

Spain next isn't it ? looking forward to it

Frank Bullitt

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/magnussen-most-dangerous-driver-gasly-1031915/

Mag is very close to a race ban it seems. I heard about this clash but it wasn't caught on the TV it seems.

So footage has been released...its terrifying.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/headlines/2018/4/video-f1-gasly-magnussen-dangerous-azerbaijan.html

skipper_G

Gintonious wrote: »

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/magnussen-most-dangerous-driver-gasly-1031915/

Mag is very close to a race ban it seems. I heard about this clash but it wasn't caught on the TV it seems.

So footage has been released...its terrifying.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/headlines/2018/4/video-f1-gasly-magnussen-dangerous-azerbaijan.html

I'm normally a fan of KMag's in your face style, but that was lunacy :eek:

Re: Red Bull and Honda, it's not exactly a surprise. Red Bull have crapped all over their relationship with Renault through the last few years. If I was Renault I wouldn't sign a new contract to supply them either. Red Bull have nowhere else to go, it's Honda and nobody else.

Harika

skipper_G wrote: »

I'm normally a fan of KMag's in your face style, but that was lunacy :eek:

Re: Red Bull and Honda, it's not exactly a surprise. Red Bull have crapped all over their relationship with Renault through the last few years. If I was Renault I wouldn't sign a new contract to supply them either. Red Bull have nowhere else to go, it's Honda and nobody else.

RedBull has a clause that forces Renault to supply them with engines. No idea how long, but that is the fail safe.

skipper_G

Harika wrote: »

RedBull has a clause that forces Renault to supply them with engines. No idea how long, but that is the fail safe.

I know there's a regulation which says if a team has no engine supply then the manufacturer with the least amount of customer teams is obliged to provide engines to that team.

Unless you're referring to some under the table clause in the Renault agreement they signed for some historic money with Bernie before their return ?

Harika

skipper_G wrote: »

I know there's a regulation which says if a team has no engine supply then the manufacturer with the least amount of customer teams is obliged to provide engines to that team.

Unless you're referring to some under the table clause in the Renault agreement they signed for some historic money with Bernie before their return ?

You might be right
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/43951435

Renault told Red Bull last September that it did not want to continue with the team in 2019 but the car company's contract with F1 contains a clause that dictates it must supply Red Bull with engines if asked to do so.

billybonkers

Harika wrote: »

You might be right
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/43951435

Why do Renault not want to supply Red Bull?

meeeeh

billybonkers wrote: »

Why do Renault not want to supply Red Bull?

Why would they. They want their own team to fight for titles, they have also McLaren on their books and Red Bull constantly blame any issues they have on Renault.

Joeface

The Next Race ,Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya for me is the Make or break for a lot of teams on how the rest of the season goes .

For all the New Drivers , Gasly , Leclerc , Hartley & Sirotkin they have no excuse when it comes the Track knowledge they all have serious number of laps under there belts for it .

All the testing at the start should mean even with additions to the car and Weather changes they should all have good starting point here.

Mclaren have already said their 2018 car they want is Targeted for the Spainish Gp .
Force India Upgrades were Due to be complete there also ( big step up from them over the last 2 races so their upgrades are working)
Sauber are suppose to have some package upgrades also which might help Leclerc .

If Williams are to sort themselves out some way it has to start here also .

Pretty sure this is the First Season in ages that only 2 of the 20 Drivers have yet to score points ( Sirotkin & Grosjean )

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PopePalpatine

LIGHTNING wrote: »

That's a disgrace and at that speed quite dangerous. I hope they throw the book at him for that

They gave him a 10 second penalty, but yeah, that was sucky behaviour from Magnussen.

Jordan 199

I wonder is Kevin close to getting a race ban.

meeeeh

I think he either has 7 or 8 penalty points now and one will go of licence shortly. So he has a bit to go to 12.

Ghost Train

Maybe the points system should be reviewed, been a while since any driver was banned for a race. Maybe it's not much of a deterrent.

Brian CivilEng

Ghost Train wrote: »

Maybe the points system should be reviewed, been a while since any driver was banned for a race. Maybe it's not much of a deterrent.

The fact Verstappen only has 2 points on his license makes a mockery of the system in my opinion.

skipper_G

abitofacomedian wrote: »

The fact Verstappen only has 2 points on his license makes a mockery of the system in my opinion.

What list are you using for that? The only half decent list I've found was on motorsport.com and that says he has 5

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Brian CivilEng

skipper_G wrote: »

What list are you using for that? The only half decent list I've found was on motorsport.com and that says he has 5

Apologies, I was looking at a list of points earned in 2018, not points on the license. He does indeed have 5 current. I stand corrected.

Burkie1203

https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/status/991221806945259520?s=19

Frank Bullitt

skipper_G

The cynic in me says the aero changes they're bringing in for 2019 will benefit the teams with bigger budgets, because they'll just throw a pile of cash at the problem. It's the same thing all the time in F1, with stability in the regulations the teams naturally get closer over time. Change them up and you widen the spread all over again and back to square one. The proof will come when the cars hit the track for Melbourne next year so I won't worry too much about just yet.

In other short term news, F1 signed a deal with Twitter to broadcast a live post race show from 10 GP's.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-agrees-exclusive-twitter-deal-1032430/?s=1

Infoanon

OSI wrote: »

Formula 1 Licensing has trademarked the use of the word "Shoey"

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/formula1/f1-trademark-shoey-daniel-ricciardo-celebration-max-verstappen-red-bull-crash-latest-a8328896.html

Surely Ricciardo would have some form of recourse here given it was literally his invention?

Moto GP and Jack Miller might have an issue with that to considering he started the trend.

skipper_G

According to the article it only covers the category of flasks, glasses, bottles, mugs, sculptures and figurines. Somebody else had the clothing one, some sort of Aussie surfing brand who've been doing it for years and are apparently the originators.

AMKC

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/status/991221806945259520?s=19

That is good news. So this year will be the year that the aero on the wings and other parts of the cars like the brake ducts is at its most complicated. I am surprised they did not ban any aero on the suspension arms as some teams have been doing however I also think the benefits there are very small.

I hope these changes bring about better racing next year as they are going to need it to keep people interested as it will only be Sky that has it live next year so they are going to lose a third to a half of there viewers.

skipper_G wrote: »

The cynic in me says the aero changes they're bringing in for 2019 will benefit the teams with bigger budgets, because they'll just throw a pile of cash at the problem. It's the same thing all the time in F1, with stability in the regulations the teams naturally get closer over time. Change them up and you widen the spread all over again and back to square one. The proof will come when the cars hit the track for Melbourne next year so I won't worry too much about just yet.

In other short term news, F1 signed a deal with Twitter to broadcast a live post race show from 10 GP's.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-agrees-exclusive-twitter-deal-1032430/?s=1

skipper_G wrote: »

The cynic in me says the aero changes they're bringing in for 2019 will benefit the teams with bigger budgets, because they'll just throw a pile of cash at the problem. It's the same thing all the time in F1, with stability in the regulations the teams naturally get closer over time. Change them up and you widen the spread all over again and back to square one. The proof will come when the cars hit the track for Melbourne next year so I won't worry too much about just yet.

Surely if the new wings are simpler than they should be cheaper to design and make and there should be less aero upgrades throughout the year so all the teams will hopefully benefit from it. I think the bigger rear wings is the most interesting part.