Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

skipper_G

Details of Liberty's plan for the future of F1 they presented to the teams.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/liberty-rules-meeting-2021-brawn-carey-1022191/

The area I was most interested in is Revenue, because I believe that to be the single biggest issue. The line in bold sounds like a cop out to appease the Scarlet mafiosa and their 5% off the top

Revenues
• The new revenue distribution criteria must be more balanced, based on meritocracy of the
current performance and reward success for the teams and the Commercial Rights Holder.
• F1s unique, historical franchise and value must and will still be recognised.
• Revenue support to both cars and engine suppliers.

Harika

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/982185518044622850

Let's sing with me, It's the end of the world as we know it. I like it, that will be a massive battle and moaning ahead. I don't see it coming only with 150 Million, that is less than Ferrari is getting today alone from the FIA. (not fact checked)

Harika

OSI wrote: »

Won't be enforceable as has been said millions of times. You introduce a cap and everyone will setup separate companies to handle the R&D and "pay" a nominal fee to keep it legit.

I think there might be smart accountants that will be able to define the rules to stop it.

skipper_G

Harika wrote: »

I think there might be smart accountants that will be able to define the rules to stop it.

A handful of forensic accountants would do the job or outsource it to an auditing firm

mickdw

I don't see how outsourced work can be monitored effectively.

H3llR4iser

skipper_G wrote: »

F1 fans are never happy though, and more often than not they are moaning about something of little importance in the grand scheme of things all the while glossing over things like the massive inequity in revenue distribution & unsustainable business practices.

I mentioned it before - I've seen an issue of Autosprint magazine, Italian version of Autosport, from 1973 or whereabouts whose cover had a picture of an F1 car at opposite lock (It might have been Stewart's Tyrrell, memory fails me, this was over 20 years ago); The caption, in a huge yellow font, said "Toh', chi si rivede...il controsterzo!" - "Hey, look who's back...opposite lock!".

Implication - people in the 1970s thought F1 cars were too easy to drive and raced "on rails"...go feckin' figure.

Frankie Lee

Hopefully qualifying follows the pattern of practice, we might have a decent race if it does. Promising signs for the season too. Williams look a sad prospect.

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HighLine

Step game has stepped up. Go faster stripes.

https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/982550219161260033

https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/982592493400227840

AMKC

I wonder was it the step the damaged Vettels bargeboard in FP3 on one side or what happened there?

skipper_G

AMKC wrote: »

I wonder was it the step the damaged Vettels bargeboard in FP3 on one side or what happened there?

They said it was damaged when he ran over a kerb on his installation lap

AMKC

Just wondering about the Safety car and how its always been a Mercedes SLS the last decade at least. Have the FIA got a deal with Mercedes to supply the safety car every year? A pity that Ferrari, Renault or Honda even Infiniti and I suppose Aston Martin now as well do not get a chance to bid to supply one. Even if the Safety car was different at say Abu Dhabi it could be a Ferrari maybe in Monaco, France and Spain it could be a Renault, in America Infiniti could supply it and then in Japan Honda could supply the Safety car. Just on idea.

Schwiiing

AMKC wrote: »

Just wondering about the Safety car and how its always been a Mercedes SLS the last decade at least. Have the FIA got a deal with Mercedes to supply the safety car every year? A pity that Ferrari, Renault or Honda even Infiniti and I suppose Aston Martin now as well do not get a chance to bid to supply one. Even if the Safety car was different at say Abu Dhabi it could be a Ferrari maybe in Monaco, France and Spain it could be a Renault, in America Infiniti could supply it and then in Japan Honda could supply the Safety car. Just on idea.

Fair point. Maybe not a different car everywhere but certainly something faster than an SLS. Drivers have been complaining for years about the safety car being too slow to keep heat in the tyres and brakes.

Harika

Yeah it is a special deal but there is more than one safety car and those cars are specifically prepared for the requirements of F1.

https://www.formula1.com/en/championship/inside-f1/safety/the-safety-car-and-its-driver/The_safety_car.html

flazio

Maybe a Honda NSX? Give Honda some chance of leading a Grand Prix.

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flazio

I think the standard safety car that goes to all Grand Prix only came in in the late 90s. Before that each circuit had to provide their own safety car.
Argentina 1996

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5QkI2lUiYg

mickdw

The safety car has a lot of kit fitted specific to its task so it makes sense to keep it the same.
As far as I know Mercedes have provided it and medical cars free of charge for many years.
It's not an sls. It hasn't been for 3 years or so. It was the Amg GT. New faster version for this season too.

Joeface

Is the Chinese GP consider a fast Track in line with what we saw in Bahrain , Cannot remember the race from last year or the track for that matter ... I remember something about cloud cover or smog one of the days

Joeface

so after the top three Teams , suits no on really .

Should make for some racing .

Sterling Archer

So did anyone catch the F2 race?
Some very close racing and Artem Markelov must have been racing on the easy setting

skipper_G

Shane_ef wrote: »

So did anyone catch the F2 race?
Some very close racing and Artem Markelov must have been racing on the easy setting

Yeah some great battles alright, Markelov had a great recovery in the feature race and was very comfortable in the sprint. Norris looked good as well, Russell seemed to struggle more with his tyres but the season could be very interesting. Plenty of guys capable of winning

supremenovice

flazio wrote: »

I think the standard safety car that goes to all Grand Prix only came in in the late 90s. Before that each circuit had to provide their own safety car.
Argentina 1996

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5QkI2lUiYg

Lamb of jaysus. A Renault Clio safety car? What a laugh that is. God bless 1996.

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AMKC

supremenovice wrote: »

Lamb of jaysus. A Renault Clio safety car? What a laugh that is. God bless 1996.

Awe sure the cars were slower back then :rolleyes:

Frank Bullitt

Porsche's 919 Hybrid LMP1 car has broken the unofficial lap record of the Spa-Francorchamps circuit, beating Lewis Hamilton's pole position time for last year's Formula 1 race.

World Endurance champion Neel Jani was at the wheel of a modified 919 Hybrid 'Evo' on Monday, and recorded a lap of 1m41.770s around the Belgian Grand Prix venue.

Thats a crazy time for an LMP1 car to, granted its heavily modified. This is slightly related to F1 so just putting it in there.

Its a bit of a looker as well.

H3llR4iser

Schwiiing wrote: »

Fair point. Maybe not a different car everywhere but certainly something faster than an SLS. Drivers have been complaining for years about the safety car being too slow to keep heat in the tyres and brakes.

While it would be cool to have different cars depending on the event and it would probably be a good sponsorship opportunity, you won't find many cars faster than the F1 Safety car this side of racing vehicles. The SLS they use is by no means standard, it's essentially a race-ready car in many aspects; If you see it going around from the trackside, it's quite obvious. Same goes for the medical car - you don't see a non-modified estate going around bends like it does.

Almost anything will feel pedestrian compared to F1 cars - and it should be, if they went any faster under SC than they currently do, the whole "safety" part of it would be pointless

Gintonious wrote: »

Thats a crazy time for an LMP1 car to, granted its heavily modified. This is slightly related to F1 so just putting it in there.

Its a bit of a looker as well.

Happened before: in 1990, a race spec Group C sport prototype (might have been a Sauber C9 Mercedes, not sure) lapped Monza faster than the F1 cars went around during test sessions - around the 1'22"5 marker or so. Then in September Senna went 1'21"114 during qualifying, but the whole "incident" meant that the Group C rules were significantly revised.

Frank Bullitt

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Happened before: in 1990, a race spec Group C sport prototype (might have been a Sauber C9 Mercedes, not sure) lapped Monza faster than the F1 cars went around during test sessions - around the 1'22"5 marker or so. Then in September Senna went 1'21"114 during qualifying, but the whole "incident" meant that the Group C rules were significantly revised.

I suspect it will be smashed this year as well, still though, its nice to see a race car base being built upon to extract massive power. I wonder what an F1 car could do if the same idea was applied.

Harika

Gintonious wrote: »

I suspect it will be smashed this year as well, still though, its nice to see a race car base being built upon to extract massive power. I wonder what an F1 car could do if the same idea was applied.

As Porsche has left the WEC, there is only Toyota left. So the rules don't really matter anymore as they are driving against themselves.

Frank Bullitt

Harika wrote: »

As Porsche has left the WEC, there is only Toyota left. So the rules don't really matter anymore as they are driving against themselves.

Pretty much, Porsche are doing this as a technical exercise.