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Do you think ISIS/Al Queda terror will end eventually?

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    #32
    seamus
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    Extremist ideologies will always exist, it's part of the human condition.

    Even if we attain the position where religions have no influence over public policy, and the entire planet is united under a single governing structure, you will have extremist groups who want to break away and be in charge of their own little corner of the planet, ruling with their own set of arbitrary codes. And they'll use violence to try and achieve it.

    Even reading my post, some of you will become irrationally angry about the concept that we'd have a one-world government. This tribal instinct will never leave us, most of us will just learn to recognise its irrationality.


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    #33
    Oldtree
    Registered Users Posts: 8,104 ✭✭✭Oldtree


    No. Discontent will always find a new way.


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    #34
    KungPao
    Registered Users Posts: 4,781 ✭✭✭KungPao


    baylah17 wrote: »
    They will go and be replaced by another group or groups, look at the lat 30 years or so;
    PLO
    Black September
    PFLP
    Abu Nidal
    Action Direct
    Red Brigades
    Red Army Faction
    PIRA
    Bader-Meinhoff

    They had their time and they were overtaken by new terrorist groups.

    Not to mention:
    New Provo Front
    Liberte de Quebec
    Asian Dawn...


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    #35
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    KungPao wrote: »
    Not to mention:
    New Provo Front
    Liberte de Quebec
    Asian Dawn...

    No, DAWN dear - DAWN!!!! ;)


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    #36
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    KungPao wrote: »
    Not to mention:
    New Provo Front
    Liberte de Quebec
    Asian Dawn...

    You missed the People's Front of Judea too.


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    #37
    branie2
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    Hopefully they will.


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    #38
    [Deleted User]
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    No. These Terrorist groups are far too connected to their religion and Islam is based on a warrior culture system. There is no suggestion of forgiveness in any dialogue, which gives them the ability to rehash every slight they've ever received and produce it to justify their cause. Instead, ISIS/Al Queda will morph into another group with similar aims, and it won't stop until the overall culture/religion changes, or they win becoming the dominant culture/religion/society in the world.


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    #39
    darkdubh
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    Has a certain poster asked for this thread to be shut down yet? :rolleyes:


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    #40
    PeterParker957
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    darkdubh wrote: »
    Has a certain poster asked for this thread to be shut down yet? :rolleyes:

    Not as yet no!


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    #41
    Chrongen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Chrongen


    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    Go on I'll bite - then who brought down the Towers ? Who has been waging jihad across Europe for a decade or more ?

    You just need to watch a BBC documentary:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD1BRE-DBsA


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    #42
    Ipso
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    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    Go on I'll bite - then who brought down the Towers ? Who has been waging jihad across Europe for a decade or more ?

    Wake up sheeple! You just don't get it, you're not one of the special ones who can see through the MSM lies and questioning what you are being told (just don't question the dullards on the youtube videos or on infowars).

    As far as ISIS goes, I think they will burn themselves out. Scummy groups have always been around but ISIS seem to be a bit too cruel and incoherent to be able to remain a functioning organization for long. They will probably turn on each other after a while.


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    #43
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Chrongen wrote: »
    Laugh all you want. They don't exist.

    Sorry, you're just attention seeking.


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    #44
    Chrongen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Chrongen


    Ipso wrote: »
    Sorry, you're just attention seeking.

    Have you ever seen or heard anybody who has claimed to be a member of ISIS or IS or ISIL or Al Qaeda?

    I haven't.

    EVER.


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    #45
    Ipso
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    Hmm. Have you a pamphlet I can subscribe to?


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    #46
    SnakePlissken
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    Chrongen wrote: »
    Ipso wrote: »
    Sorry, you're just attention seeking.

    Have you ever seen or heard anybody who has claimed to be a member of ISIS or IS or ISIL or Al Qaeda?

    I haven't.

    EVER.

    I've never met an Argentinian, doesn't mean the country doesn't bloody exist.


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    #47
    Autochange
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭Autochange


    Did ISIS exist before the Us ruined Iraq?
    The west and particularly the Us has brought some of this on themselves.


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    #48
    Ipso
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    The people that formed it did. If we are to say that intervention in Iraq and Libya helped cause their rise, does that mean the best we can hope for are dictatorships to keep the scumbags under control?


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    #49
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    Chrongen wrote: »
    Ipso wrote: »
    Sorry, you're just attention seeking.

    Have you ever seen or heard anybody who has claimed to be a member of ISIS or IS or ISIL or Al Qaeda?

    I haven't.

    EVER.

    I've also never met anyone who claimed to be in the SAS, the Smurfs or the Harlem Globetrotters but I'm sure they're real. Their work proves it.


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    #50
    Autochange
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭Autochange


    Ipso wrote: »
    The people that formed it did. If we are to say that intervention in Iraq and Libya helped cause their rise, does that mean the best we can hope for are dictatorships to keep the scumbags under control?

    Conservative estimates have the iraqi civilian death toll from the Us invasion at over 100000. Thats a lot of pissed of family members left behind.


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    #51
    Stephen15
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    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    With the amount of Christmas markets that'll be taking place all over Europe in the next month, an attack is inevitable IMO.

    Most have been surrounded with concrete barriers now so it will be a lot harder to do a truck attack which seems to be their favoured method as of late.


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    #52
    Ipso
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    Autochange wrote: »
    Conservative estimates have the iraqi civilian death toll from the Us invasion at over 100000. Thats a lot of pissed of family members left behind.

    Most of that death toll is down to rival groups/civil war. Of course that fighting was indirectly caused by the US invasion, so are we better of with dictators in power?

    Then you have stuff like this happening that is not exactly encouraging.
    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/inpictures/2017/11/pakistan-police-move-anti-blasphemy-protests-171126075559069.html


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    #53
    Autochange
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭Autochange


    Ipso wrote: »
    Most of that death toll is down to rival groups/civil war. Of course that fighting was indirectly caused by the US invasion, so are we better of with dictators in power?

    Then you have stuff like this happening that is not exactly encouraging.
    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/inpictures/2017/11/pakistan-police-move-anti-blasphemy-protests-171126075559069.html

    That depends on whether invading forces are actually really there to free the people.


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    #54
    Chrongen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Chrongen


    SnakePlissken wrote: »
    I've never met an Argentinian, doesn't mean the country doesn't bloody exist.


    Well, I suppose that proves it all then.

    I've never seen the tooth fairy. Hence her/his existence can't be sub or unsubstantiated either.


    Al Qaeda doesn't exist.


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    #55
    Ipso
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    Of course the war was one of the most ridiculous foreign policy decisions of recent years; but given what's happened the choices seem to be brutal dictator or civil war.


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    #56
    Ipso
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    Chrongen wrote: »
    Well, I suppose that proves it all then.

    I've never seen the tooth fairy. Hence her/his existence can't be sub or unsubstantiated either.


    Al Qaeda doesn't exist.

    So the suicide bombings and attacks are carried out by whom?


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    #57
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users Posts: 7,452 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Grayson wrote: »
    It's probably worth mentioning that terrorist attacks by right wingers in the US since 9/11 have outnumbered islamic attacks. So it might be that something has already replaced it, just no-ones noticed because there's so much focus on islam because of 9/11.
    Is that number of attacks rather than death toll? Imagine the latter will have a greater impact on the public imagination.


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    #58
    Mint Sauce
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    OnDraught wrote: »
    More than 300 people died in a mosque attack in Egypt on Friday.

    Was gonna mention that one my self. Unfortunately Al Queda and IS are probably killing hundreds often in the Middle East and North Africa, but it seems these people are either not White or Western enough for the mainstream media for it to be reported. It was two days after the above events before I heard it, that goes to show the interest.


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    #59
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    Ipso wrote: »
    Chrongen wrote: »
    Well, I suppose that proves it all then.

    I've never seen the tooth fairy. Hence her/his existence can't be sub or unsubstantiated either.


    Al Qaeda doesn't exist.

    So the suicide bombings and attacks are carried out by whom?

    Asked that hours ago. I'm not expecting a speedy reply.


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    #60
    Autochange
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭Autochange


    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    Asked that hours ago. I'm not expecting a speedy reply.

    Disillusioned and mentally weak lone wolves who have had innocent family members or friends killed by Us invading forces?


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    #61
    Chrongen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Chrongen


    Ipso wrote: »
    So the suicide bombings and attacks are carried out by whom?

    Have you ever once witnessed anybody claiming to be a member or these groups?

    I haven't.

    I've seen people claim membership of the IRA or ETA or Black September or The Tamil Tigers or Shining Path or......(fill in the nomenclature) but I have never once experienced anyone claiming to be a member of Al Qaeda or the Islamic State. IS in Libya/Lebanon...whatever ISIL stands for.

    I haven't, I really have not.


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