Do you think ISIS/Al Queda terror will end eventually?

dd972

Optimistically I think it will, look back over past decades and all these types of movements and campaigns, the 'RA included, sort of mutate, evolve and eventually fizzle out, possibly replaced by something else better or worse or halt altogether.

SuperSean11

Will just evolve into something else

RayM

I'm sure something else will come along to keep the easily-scared full of fear, and the easily-riled full of anger.

Your Face

It's probably going to get worse before it gets better.

wakka12

Well it seems to have died down a lot. When was the last terrorist attack even? august in barcelona? Maybe I'm wrong but its the last one I can recall

OnDraught

wakka12 wrote: »

Well it seems to have died down a lot. When was the last terrorist attack even? august in barcelona? Maybe I'm wrong but its the last one I can recall

More than 300 people died in a mosque attack in Egypt on Friday.

B.A._Baracus

SuperSean11 wrote: »

Will just evolve into something else

well said.
Wasn't bin laden an ally to the americans during the cold war in the 80s. CIA arming his group with weapons to fight the soviets. Yesterday's ally tomorrow's enemy. As in things change.

Junkyard Tom

Will humans stop being violent with each other?

Not in the foreseeable future.

K.Flyer

wakka12 wrote: »

Well it seems to have died down a lot. When was the last terrorist attack even? august in barcelona? Maybe I'm wrong but its the last one I can recall

Egypt this week springs to mind with over 300 deaths.

The Backwards Man

Eventually yeah, but there will be something else to take their place. They are the most fundamentally at odds with evolving civilisation at the present time, but there's plenty more hot on their heels. Wait until the Christians get going, or the sea levels start to rise, plenty of fun times ahead for future generations, if we make it that far.

PARlance

OnDraught wrote: »

More than 300 people died in a mosque attack in Egypt on Friday.

If facebook doesn't have a temporary profile filter for it then it doesn't count.

The_Kew_Tour

No, sadly

PeterParker957

Not in a million years. The belief system behind it is incompatible with modern (I.e. post 1600!) society.

The more we allow these mediaeval beliefs to be held openly and the more we normalize certain rules and practices in the guide of "culture" then the more of a footing they will have.

It will get worse if anything. Not to compare the two but someone referenced the IRA. They had a goal. Therefore a negotiating point and and an ending to hostilities.

What's the goal of Islamic terrorism? To kill non believers and establish a global Caliphate. I don't see negotiation there.

So, no I don't see it ending.

Hector Savage

^^ Spot on, decades more of this ahead of us.

Mentally ill leftists will try and minimize it and normalize it - and with a straight face tell you that the KKK are more of a threat in the modern world.

Shenshen

Yes, but it will be a few more years I should think. At least a decade, possibly more.
But as others have said, something or someone else will take its place before very long, so terrorism will remain, it will just change colour or flavour the way it's always done.

LadyMacBeth_

Everything comes to an end eventually.

baylah17

They will go and be replaced by another group or groups, look at the lat 30 years or so;
PLO
Black September
PFLP
Abu Nidal
Action Direct
Red Brigades
Red Army Faction
PIRA
Bader-Meinhoff

They had their time and they were overtaken by new terrorist groups.

Cee-Jay-Cee

wakka12 wrote: »

Well it seems to have died down a lot. When was the last terrorist attack even? august in barcelona? Maybe I'm wrong but its the last one I can recall

Oh yeah it’s been a full 3 months since the last one so it must have died down.

I don’t think it’s going to die down anytime soon. I think they’ll possibly be lying low over winter and as soon as spring/summer come around again not attack’s will take place.

PeterParker957

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Oh yeah it’s been a full 3 months since the last one so it must have died down.

I don’t think it’s going to die down anytime soon. I think they’ll possibly be lying low over winter and as soon as spring/summer come around again not attack’s will take place.

It's Mohammed's birthday on 30 November so I imagine they're busy.

RocketRaccoon

With the amount of Christmas markets that'll be taking place all over Europe in the next month, an attack is inevitable IMO.

Deise Vu

The Middle East won the Global Lotto having a pollutant underground that you just had to to pump, subject to a minor process and ship to the rest of the World where they actually produce things and then sit back and watch untold trillions of bucks come rolling in. They chose to use this once in a millenium largesse to enrich a tiny coterie of individuals, take reasonable care of an extended population, while keeping them out of the Golden Circle, and spend the rest exporting hatred, war and barbarity in some insane attempt to prove that their interpretation of the sayings of Muhammed are better than some other people's interpretation.

When the oil and the money runs out there are going to be an awful lot of people with a awful lot of guns facing a horrific future, feeling betrayed by the Golden Circle who will flee to the West thus proving to the remainder that it was all a Western plot to steal their riches.


Then watch what happens.

Ronaldinho

These two organisations may well go by the wayside but I'm sure there will be new ones to take their place.

PeterParker hits the nail on the head with his last couple of paragraphs above. There's no scope for negotiation.

RobertKK

I find the crown prince of Saudi Arabia to be an interesting man.
Mohammed bin Salman recently gave an interview to the Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/24/i-will-return-saudi-arabia-moderate-islam-crown-prince

He said:
“What happened in the last 30 years is not Saudi Arabia. What happened in the region in the last 30 years is not the Middle East. After the Iranian revolution in 1979, people wanted to copy this model in different countries, one of them is Saudi Arabia. We didn’t know how to deal with it. And the problem spread all over the world. Now is the time to get rid of it.”

“We are simply reverting to what we followed – a moderate Islam open to the world and all religions. 70% of the Saudis are younger than 30, honestly we won’t waste 30 years of our life combating extremist thoughts, we will destroy them now and immediately.”

He also said Saudi Arabia can’t have economic transformation without having social transformation.
Whether the light has been seen, we will have to wait and see.

whisky_galore

Replaced by or mutated into something else, no doubt.

BTW Al Queda and ISIS are two different things.

Terrorism will never go away. It'll just be somebody else with some other agenda. It's either the IRA, or Basque Separatists, Islamic Extremists, or even domestic US terrorism.

seenitall

Most societies and civilisations follow the same cyclical pattern over and over again: peace - small tensions/unrest/acts of terrorism - more tensions/wars/purges/revolutions/wholesale slaughterfest etc. - peace again! Til next time. Ideology, race or territory is used as reasoning for these cycles, but it is just down to human nature, really.

Some manage to skip the particularly nasty step in the cycle sometimes, and some go through these cycles so fast like it's going out of style compared to others. But the basic pattern is always there.

Oh, and European, oh so civilised, societies are not exempt from these cycles, never were and never will be. There is no end to history.

Chrongen

ISIS / Al Qaeda don't exist.

PeterParker957

Chrongen wrote: »

ISIS / Al Qaeda don't exist.

Insert laughing GIF here.

Chrongen

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Insert laughing GIF here.

Laugh all you want. They don't exist.

PeterParker957

Chrongen wrote: »

Laugh all you want. They don't exist.

Go on I'll bite - then who brought down the Towers ? Who has been waging jihad across Europe for a decade or more ?

Grayson

It's probably worth mentioning that terrorist attacks by right wingers in the US since 9/11 have outnumbered islamic attacks. So it might be that something has already replaced it, just no-ones noticed because there's so much focus on islam because of 9/11.

seamus

Extremist ideologies will always exist, it's part of the human condition.

Even if we attain the position where religions have no influence over public policy, and the entire planet is united under a single governing structure, you will have extremist groups who want to break away and be in charge of their own little corner of the planet, ruling with their own set of arbitrary codes. And they'll use violence to try and achieve it.

Even reading my post, some of you will become irrationally angry about the concept that we'd have a one-world government. This tribal instinct will never leave us, most of us will just learn to recognise its irrationality.

Oldtree

No. Discontent will always find a new way.

KungPao

baylah17 wrote: »

They will go and be replaced by another group or groups, look at the lat 30 years or so;
PLO
Black September
PFLP
Abu Nidal
Action Direct
Red Brigades
Red Army Faction
PIRA
Bader-Meinhoff

They had their time and they were overtaken by new terrorist groups.

Not to mention:
New Provo Front
Liberte de Quebec
Asian Dawn...

PeterParker957

KungPao wrote: »

Not to mention:
New Provo Front
Liberte de Quebec
Asian Dawn...

No, DAWN dear - DAWN!!!!

PeterParker957

KungPao wrote: »

Not to mention:
New Provo Front
Liberte de Quebec
Asian Dawn...

You missed the People's Front of Judea too.

branie2

Hopefully they will.

No. These Terrorist groups are far too connected to their religion and Islam is based on a warrior culture system. There is no suggestion of forgiveness in any dialogue, which gives them the ability to rehash every slight they've ever received and produce it to justify their cause. Instead, ISIS/Al Queda will morph into another group with similar aims, and it won't stop until the overall culture/religion changes, or they win becoming the dominant culture/religion/society in the world.

darkdubh

Has a certain poster asked for this thread to be shut down yet? :rolleyes:

PeterParker957

darkdubh wrote: »

Has a certain poster asked for this thread to be shut down yet? :rolleyes:

Not as yet no!

Chrongen

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Go on I'll bite - then who brought down the Towers ? Who has been waging jihad across Europe for a decade or more ?

You just need to watch a BBC documentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD1BRE-DBsA

Ipso

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Go on I'll bite - then who brought down the Towers ? Who has been waging jihad across Europe for a decade or more ?

Wake up sheeple! You just don't get it, you're not one of the special ones who can see through the MSM lies and questioning what you are being told (just don't question the dullards on the youtube videos or on infowars).

As far as ISIS goes, I think they will burn themselves out. Scummy groups have always been around but ISIS seem to be a bit too cruel and incoherent to be able to remain a functioning organization for long. They will probably turn on each other after a while.

Ipso

Chrongen wrote: »

Laugh all you want. They don't exist.

Sorry, you're just attention seeking.

Chrongen

Ipso wrote: »

Sorry, you're just attention seeking.

Have you ever seen or heard anybody who has claimed to be a member of ISIS or IS or ISIL or Al Qaeda?

I haven't.

EVER.

Ipso

Hmm. Have you a pamphlet I can subscribe to?

SnakePlissken

Chrongen wrote: »

Ipso wrote: »

Sorry, you're just attention seeking.

Have you ever seen or heard anybody who has claimed to be a member of ISIS or IS or ISIL or Al Qaeda?

I haven't.

EVER.

I've never met an Argentinian, doesn't mean the country doesn't bloody exist.

Autochange

Did ISIS exist before the Us ruined Iraq?
The west and particularly the Us has brought some of this on themselves.

Ipso

The people that formed it did. If we are to say that intervention in Iraq and Libya helped cause their rise, does that mean the best we can hope for are dictatorships to keep the scumbags under control?

PeterParker957

Chrongen wrote: »

Ipso wrote: »

Sorry, you're just attention seeking.

Have you ever seen or heard anybody who has claimed to be a member of ISIS or IS or ISIL or Al Qaeda?

I haven't.

EVER.

I've also never met anyone who claimed to be in the SAS, the Smurfs or the Harlem Globetrotters but I'm sure they're real. Their work proves it.

Autochange

Ipso wrote: »

The people that formed it did. If we are to say that intervention in Iraq and Libya helped cause their rise, does that mean the best we can hope for are dictatorships to keep the scumbags under control?

Conservative estimates have the iraqi civilian death toll from the Us invasion at over 100000. Thats a lot of pissed of family members left behind.

Stephen15

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

With the amount of Christmas markets that'll be taking place all over Europe in the next month, an attack is inevitable IMO.

Most have been surrounded with concrete barriers now so it will be a lot harder to do a truck attack which seems to be their favoured method as of late.