Discovery 1x09 – "Into the Forest I Go" [** SPOILERS **]

Spear

Guess I'll start the thread this week.

Warning: This thread will contain spoilers for the episode "Into the Forest I Go". Spoiler tags will not be used, so if you don't want to be spoiled read no further.

I'm less sold on the Ash is Voq thing at this point, but Ash is certainly a screwed up individual either way.

ED E

Not episode specific but IMO the intro theme is one of the best scifi themes ever. The old ones had charm, but this is great.

hal9550

EPIC!

There are elements that annoy me - i would love to know or have known at the end, where they are.. maybe the mirror universe?

But over all it was epic

Best episode of discovery so far!!

And it seems possible that Tyler is Voq, and that they transformed him into a human somehow.. absolutely NO IDEA how or why..

But i am excited for january, cause that was EPIC!!!! Cant wait for more

Chrussell2

Did I see Klingon Boobs?

Evade

I have to wonder why Burnham didn't try to grab Kol. A prisoner is better than another martyr.

FutureGuy

That was fantastic. Lorca is fast becoming one of my favorite Trek characters.

God damnit, I knew Jason Isaacs would bring lots to the role but he has surpassed my expectations.

Cannot wait for January.

Josey Wales

I thought that was an excellent episode. I'm not sure that they turned Voq into a human, more that they might have transferred his consciousness into a human prisoner. Or something like that.

I'm assuming that the Discovery is now in the mirror universe and we will find out what happened to the real Captain Lorca at some point.

ezra_

Great episode - even thought it was 'rushed', it was still very good.

Annoyed now there is a break!

Iseedeadpixels

Loved it, was surprised to see Klingon boobs roll on January! I'm unsure if Tyler is really Klingon or not

spookwoman

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

Loved it, was surprised to see Klingon boobs roll on January! I'm unsure if Tyler is really Klingon or not

Will have to watch again to see what happened to Tyler, I'm thinking brain washed into doing something and I wouldn't be surprised if it he helps l'rell escape or something

That was just so unbelievably amazing. Definitely up there with the best Star Trek episodes ever.

Again - what Discovery does right is how people feel. Tyler's bravado comes crashing down once he sees his captor. He fully breaks down. And then it lingers. No other Trek franchise has got that right - DS9 came close, but not to this extent.

Stammets doing the jumps, with his partner looking on in agony was truly touching. I actually came close to tearing up - it's such a lovely relationship that you actually believe in, which, again, is something Trek franchises haven't got right in the past.

Lorca is just such a good captain.

And, more incredibly, and should be mentioned - that, I believe, was the first proper homosexual kiss in a Trek franchise?

I say "proper" because I know there was a kiss between two women on Deep Space Nine, but I don't think that counts as in the cannon Dax had been male and she had been his ex-wife.

Where do you think they are? Could they have gone to the Mirror universe?

The_Valeyard

Great episode.


Great acting, special effects, and music



So, the mirror universe......

oooo i bet it's the mirror universe or some other parallel one

Hopefully it's not another Voyager, where they're sent to another Quadrant and need to get back.

Evade

Deleted User wrote: »

Hopefully it's not another Voyager, where they're sent to another Quadrant and need to get back.

I'd like to see Star Trek Sliders

Evade, you could just say you liked the episode. Even you can admit it was actually a brilliant one.

Slydice

Looked good.

Now.. we wait!

LeinsterDub

Really really enjoying this series I know it's early doors yet but it's powering up my trek charts. Better than voyager and enterprise.

Evade

Deleted User wrote: »

Evade, you could just say you liked the episode. Even you can admit it was actually a brilliant one.

I have no real complaints about the episode but I wouldn't go so far as brilliant. It was fine. I thought the last episode was setting up the Pahvans to try be some kind of mediator but were they even brought up?

I do wonder if this is the end of the war with the Klingons. If someone else can't keep the houses united they won't be able to make much headway against Starfleet as 24 seperate entities. I suppose Voq could rise to be the leader but he's a housless nobody so it's a long climb. I realise so far all the set up has been about the Federation-Klingon war but that might have been something the first batch of showrunners wanted and the current ones just had to get out of the way before doing the Discovery they want to do.

OldMrBrennan83

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Spear

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They seem to show his skull being cut into/opened up. If he turns out to be Voq, I'm guessing the method is going to be something patronisingly stupid like swapping brains entire or somesuch.

De Bhál

That was quality.

Great fight scene with Burnham. That whole away mission was great watching.

Goodshape

Real good!

AMKC

Dam that was an excellent episode thoroughly enjoyed it.

I was thinking that something was going to happen with Stammets and it did.

Someone on here posted that there nearly teared up and one point well I did have a few tears at that point.

The only part I found silly was all the jumps.

What a brilliant cliffhanger ending. I thought it was an excellent way to end it keeps us all interested.

Definitely will be watching that whole episode again it so needs to be seen at least twice.

spookwoman

Spear wrote: »

They seem to show his skull being cut into/opened up. If he turns out to be Voq, I'm guessing the method is going to be something patronisingly stupid like swapping brains entire or somesuch.

had a look couldn't see them cutting his skull but he was put in glad rap, his blood was red, more inclined to think he was tortured, broken and reprogrammed.
Whats Lorca up to with the encrypted navigation, manual coordinates and spore jump 133 destination unknown. Pretty sure its the point that was on the map at the end. Had an feeling there was something to the map he was looking at in previous episodes.

The_Valeyard

Patww79 wrote: »

Ash's flashbacks are surely his 'procedure' from Voq to Ash, whatever form that took.

Brilliant episode and have really enjoyed the whole series so far. I like where it's going now with the parallel reality thing.

I think Voq to Ash is the Augment Virus.

Optimus Prime

Really enjoyed that episode. The fight scene with the Klingon was really well done. Dying to see what happens next. If that last jump to the co-ordinates he entered was to the mirror universe the wreckage could be his old ship the Buran.

fxotoole

Evade wrote: »

I'd like to see Star Trek Sliders

That would be an awesome concept for a half or full season story arc. Jumping to a different universe every week, getting to see different versions of the universe and overcome different challenges every episode

fxotoole

spookwoman wrote: »

had a look couldn't see them cutting his skull but he was put in glad rap, his blood was red, more inclined to think he was tortured, broken and reprogrammed.

I tend to agree. When Ash was having a mental breakdown and the Admiral was trying to reassure/comfort him, she said something like "you spent 7 months in a klingon prison and they didn't break you". I think this kinda telegraphs the possibility that they actually *did* break him and are using him as a sleeper agent essentially.

Also Lorca has been mapping all the spore drive jumps in his ready room. He's definitely up to something and he seems to have a strategy behind all these jumps. I think he is from the Mirror Universe and he secretly wanted Stammets to do enough jumps to get him back to the Mirror Universe. The final scene where he's like "where the hell are we?" is an act. He knows exactly where he is.

silverharp

if there is a gap when they can beam sh111t on to the klingon vessel why not just beam a nuke

Optimus Prime

silverharp wrote: »

if there is a gap when they can beam sh111t on to the klingon vessel why not just beam a nuke

I think they wanted to get the cloaking technologys mcguffin so they could detect other klingon ships?

Iseedeadpixels

silverharp wrote: »

if there is a gap when they can beam sh111t on to the klingon vessel why not just beam a nuke

Was thinking that but they needed the cloak details.

silverharp

I can live with that

The_Valeyard

silverharp wrote: »

if there is a gap when they can beam sh111t on to the klingon vessel why not just beam a nuke

Stargate Atlantis already did it

fxotoole

fxotoole wrote: »

I tend to agree. When Ash was having a mental breakdown and the Admiral was trying to reassure/comfort him, she said something like "you spent 7 months in a klingon prison and they didn't break you". I think this kinda telegraphs the possibility that they actually *did* break him and are using him as a sleeper agent essentially.

Also Lorca has been mapping all the spore drive jumps in his ready room. He's definitely up to something and he seems to have a strategy behind all these jumps. I think he is from the Mirror Universe and he secretly wanted Stammets to do enough jumps to get him back to the Mirror Universe. The final scene where he's like "where the hell are we?" is an act. He knows exactly where he is.

I'm not certain about Lorca being from the Mirror Universe, but I seem to remember him brushing off Stammets' "I didn't know you care", which makes me think there is definitely something else happening.

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Stargate Atlantis already did it

And the original Stargate movie.

The_Valeyard

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm not certain about Lorca being from the Mirror Universe, but I seem to remember him brushing off Stammets' "I didn't know you care", which makes me think there is definitely something else happening.



And the original Stargate movie.

also, Independence Day

ezra_

fxotoole wrote: »

Also Lorca has been mapping all the spore drive jumps in his ready room. He's definitely up to something and he seems to have a strategy behind all these jumps. I think he is from the Mirror Universe and he secretly wanted Stammets to do enough jumps to get him back to the Mirror Universe. The final scene where he's like "where the hell are we?" is an act. He knows exactly where he is.

Hopefully it is something a bit more interesting than that; something along the lines of perhaps Lorca had already been in the mirror universe, and is looking to get back - you'd get a nice little arc out of that.

It would be great if Discovery somehow creates the device that is used to teleport between the Mirror worlds. I don't think that was ever explained? It was just.. there.

spookwoman

ezra_ wrote: »

Hopefully it is something a bit more interesting than that; something along the lines of perhaps Lorca had already been in the mirror universe, and is looking to get back - you'd get a nice little arc out of that.

Also why is he so interested in keeping Burnham alive.

Goodshape

I'm actually a little apprehensive about them exploring other dimensions. Even the roughly-established "mirror universe". A quick dip in-and-out is fine, if a little unnecessary, but at the moment I hope they don't spend the rest of the season (or more) hoping around some fantastical / nonsensical alternate realities.

It's just too much of a blank-cheque for the creative team. Any scenario could potentially be escaped with "oh, well, in this universe..." deus ex machina device without any further explanation.


But I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for the next couple of months anyway . They might make it work.

Johnny Storm

spookwoman wrote: »

ezra_ wrote: »

Hopefully it is something a bit more interesting than that; something along the lines of perhaps Lorca had already been in the mirror universe, and is looking to get back - you'd get a nice little arc out of that.

Also why is he so interested in keeping Burnham alive.

I think he must have some special relationship with her in the Mirror Universe or else she holds some vitally important position in the MU

Johnny Storm

silverharp wrote: »

if there is a gap when they can beam sh111t on to the klingon vessel why not just beam a nuke

This is actually a problem with pretty much every Star Trek ever. (I am willing to overlook it -  keep suspending that disbelief!)

Optimus Prime

Is the door open for the show to actually be in the mirror universe so far and they have just jumped to the normal universe? or did the showrunners already say that isnt the case?

silverharp

Johnny Storm wrote: »

This is actually a problem with pretty much every Star Trek ever. (I am willing to overlook it -  keep suspending that disbelief!)

the first borg encounters springs to mind but I guess you could take it as given that you wouldn't get a second shot at it. Then again in the Klingon case if it was a known flaw that there is a time gap you would have some tech to scatter transporter beams.

Mitch Connor

They were able to detect the power signature of a cloaked ship - if they can detect the power signal, why not the location of the ship? Just determin where the power signal is coming from.

PhiloCypher

While certainly a lot of things point to the mirror universe theory, watching the episode I was hoping it was going to be a jump back in time to the battle of the Binaries. That Lorca having discovered the mycelial spores traversed time space and other dimensions was willing to sacrifice Stamets in order to map the network well enough to jump back to save the Buran . His biggest failure and his biggest regret .

I think his single minded pursuit of that goal would reframe his actions throughout the season quite beautifully. Think the Doomsday machine episode of TOS but told in long form except instead of ptsd wracked Matt Decker being willing to sacrifice the Enterprise to avenge his crew , a ptsd wracked Lorca is willing to sacrifice Stamets and the crew of the Discovery to save his old crew . The line "Let's go Home" referring to the Buran rather then federation space in this instance. But then they jumped into the aftermath of a battle and I became less sure . Is this the battle of the Binaries , wouldn't they recognise it as such ?

If it is it still doesn't preclude my theory, the Buran could have been scuttled by Lorca with all hands after the battle was over as the Klingons approached . If it isn't well then we're looking at a mirror universe or lost in space(voyager) scenario which is , imo, far less interesting.

TheIrishGrover

Well, I really enjoyed those 9 episodes and am looking forward to part 2 in the new year. I completely understand people being upset with the look and the tone and the tech continuity but I really liked it:

• Jason Isaacs is just mesmerizing when he's on screen. Amazing performance.
• The production values are just outstanding.
• Doug Jones is fantastic as usual. Glad to see him begining to get the exposure he deserves
• Really liked the Engineer/Navigator's arc. From being a prickly sh*t to a real human being.
• The relationship between him and his partner. No more dialed up or down than a straight relationship would have been.
• I really like pretty much all the characters. The Klingons (Apart from the Albino one, Kor?) all seem to chew their words though. They are just uttering word after word without a proper flow to convince that it was an actual language. Kor made it sound like an actual language.
• Maybe a little too much focus on Burnham. I know she's supposed to be the main character but so was Sisko in DS9 and every other character had their own screentime and room to move

My thoughts on last episode. Now, I haven't read any spoilers online or theories 'cos I want to go into each episode ignorant but I get the impression that the security officer is actually a Klingon after surgery? (As opposed to brainwashed/Manchurian Candidate type thing)

I really hope, if they are now in the Mirror Universe, that they do their own take on it. I never really liked that universe. Always thought it was very silly. So OTT camp.

Did they really need the navigator to do the micro-jumps? I thought they said earlier in the series that they had small jumps down. It was only when they wanted to go large distances that they were having problems.

Going forward:
Would like to see them flesh out the other characters just a wee bit more.
Don't go the Enterprise/DS9 route with the Mirror Universe. Those episodes were fun but inconsequential.
Would like to see more of the Admiral. Thought she was good but looks like she's probably done with the series.
Dare to try new things you wouldn't normally see in Trek. The people who don't like it are never gonna like it so go for it. (Although leave out the unnecessary swearing. The "F*ck"s came across like a 2-year old learning a new word. But when they said sh*t in the cell, that was convincing)

Yeah, looking forward to January

The_Valeyard

The only thing that annoys me (other than Klingons & ship style)

Id like more time on other characters in the show, like the weird robot bridge lady and other bridge officers. Could be plenty of interesting stories to make out of them.

OldMrBrennan83

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The_Valeyard

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Seven will do nicely

AMKC

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Seven will do nicely

Seven would be good yes but there is talk of this going for ten seasons to bring it up to how we get to TOS