Saudi Arabia and Iran war talk!

Cheerful Spring

We discussed this before, but now Isis is near defeated. The big powers in the region are now beginning to threaten each other.

Saudi Arabia has ordered its citizens to leave Lebanon immediately, escalating a regional standoff with Iran centred on the fragile state, which it claims is being run by Tehran’s proxy, Hezbollah.

The move follows a week of bellicose rhetoric from the Sunni Arab powerhouse about its Shia rival, drawing strong support from Donald Trump and Israel, all three of whom insist Iran is forging strongholds across the region.

The standoff has taken tensions between Riyadh and Tehran to new levels and raised fears that decades of distrust and manoeuvrings between the two may be building towards a military confrontation, underwritten by the Trump administration and joined by Israel.

The Saudi order for its citizens to leave, also made by the kingdom’s allies in Bahrain and Kuwait, came after the country’s foreign minister, Adel al-Jubeir, said his government would treat Lebanon as a hostile state as long as Hezbollah was in the government. He described Hezbollah’s participation in government as an “act of war” against Saudi Arabia.

The Israeli intelligence minister, Yisrael Katz, said on Thursday he believed conditions were ripe for a diplomatic offensive against Iran and Hezbollah at the United Nations, where he said Israel would seek better enforcement of a 2006 ceasefire agreement that called on Hezbollah to disarm and stay away from its border.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/10/saudi-arabia-orders-citizens-to-leave-lebanon-as-tensions-rise

Subcomandante Marcos

So Hezbollah, democratic organisation who are part of a democratically elected government = bad but Saudi Arabia is the good guy because Hezbollah are friendly with Iran and the Saudis and Israel don't like having regional competition?

Feck off Saudi.

Cheerful Spring

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

So Hezbollah, democratic organisation who are part of a democratically elected government = bad but Saudi Arabia is the good guy because Hezbollah are friendly with Iran and the Saudis and Israel don't like having regional competition?

Feck off Saudi.

There is major power play purge happening in Saudi Arabia. The western media barely talking about it. This new prince is wiping out all rivals under the guise of corruption.

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia) — Dozens more people have been taken into custody by Saudi authorities, the kingdom said Thursday, bringing to 201 the number detained in a sweep that investigators say has uncovered at least $100 billion in corruption.

Saudi critics and experts have called the unprecedented purge of top princes and businessmen a bold and risky move by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman aimed at consolidating power as he keeps an eye on the throne, sidelining potential rivals and dismantling alliances built with other branches of the royal family.

The sweep comes at a time of increased tensions between Saudi Arabia and its main regional rival, Iran, over the ongoing conflict and suffering in Yemen and a newly erupting political crisis in Lebanon.

Saudi Attorney General Saud al-Mojeb said 208 people had been called in for questioning, and that seven were released without charge, leaving 201 in custody.

http://time.com/5018461/saudi-corruption-purge-prince-arrests/

bear1

Christ the Middle East is just a boiling cauldron of hate and utter utter ****e talk.
The cheek of SA though when they are one of the biggest offenders against human rights is laughable.

Infini

To be honest so long as what happens in 'rabia stays in 'rabia I couldnt care less. Considering that he's consolidating power by sidelining the zealots Id be willing to wait and see how it plays out.

Cheerful Spring

Infini wrote: »

To be honest so long as what happens in 'rabia stays in 'rabia I couldnt care less. Considering that he's consolidating power by sidelining the zealots Id be willing to wait and see how it plays out.

He could be a new Saddam Hussein? Too early to tell though, but Saddam wiped out his rivals and took power and fought war against Iran, Kuwait and the west. I find it worrying the new prince is lashing out and saying Iran and it's proxies declared war?

Saudi Arabia won't take on Iran, they may have the best military equipment from the U.S and U.K but they can barely defeat a few rebels in Yemen.

The Iranians have battle-hardened Generals from the Iran-Iraq war, not to mention being backed up by Hezbollah. Now could the Saudis count on the U.S getting fully involved, I'm not sure another all-out war will go down well at home.

Ipso

Muslims fighting muslims, has to be the weshts fault.

Hande hoche!

The Saudis have some of the best kit money can buy. Still seem to be getting a hiding from the Houthis. Unless they can get the Israelis to bite, don't see much happening.

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Ipso wrote: »

Muslims fighting muslims, has to be the weshts fault.

The US is definitely involved in helping Saudi if that is what you mean.

Gatling

cisk wrote: »

Saudi Arabia won't take on Iran, they may have the best military equipment from the U.S and U.K but they can barely defeat a few rebels in Yemen.

The Iranians have battle-hardened Generals from the Iran-Iraq war, not to mention being backed up by Hezbollah. Now could the Saudis count on the U.S getting fully involved, I'm not sure another all-out war will go down well at home.

You would be very naive to believe they are fighting a few rebels ,
Iranians have been heavily involved in various conflicts in the region for decades including the 2nd gulf war , sooner or later they will bite off more than they can chew

Subcomandante Marcos

Iranians! Even when it was the bears I know it was the Iranians!

Odhinn

Not much good has come of supporting the Saudi regime thus far. Christ knows what disaster it'll take to change that policy.

Allinall

Shane Ross has already booked his flight.

Be grand.

Subcomandante Marcos

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

So Hezbollah, democratic organisation who are part of a democratically elected government = bad but Saudi Arabia is the good guy because Hezbollah are friendly with Iran and the Saudis and Israel don't like having regional competition?

Feck off Saudi.

Hezbollah, the terrorist anti Semitic group dedicated to the obliteration of Israel, the group that has bombed cultural centres, airplanes and busses to kill civilians, as well as assassinating democratically elected political figures in Lebanon...is a democratic organisation?

You're having a laugh!

Subcomandante Marcos

Deleted User wrote: »

Hezbollah, the terrorist anti Semitic group dedicated to the obliteration of Israel, the group that has bombed cultural centres, airplanes and busses to kill civilians, as well as assassinating democratically elected political figures in Lebanon...is a democratic organisation?

You're having a laugh!

You mean Hezbollah the group which began to protect Northern Lebanon from continuous incursions into the country by Israel and to protect people in the region from the christian falangist militias which were armed, trained and supported by Israel? The organisation who campaigned for the removal of a political system in Lebanon which meant that the vote of a Christian in 1 area was worth 4 votes of Muslims in another area?

Yeah, them.

Nice revisionist history by the way, clearly downing the Hasbara juice!

Subcomandante Marcos

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

You mean Hezbollah the group which began to protect Northern Lebanon from continuous incursions into the country by Israel and to protect people in the region from the christian falangist militias which were armed, trained and supported by Israel? The organisation who campaigned for the removal of a political system in Lebanon which meant that the vote of a Christian in 1 area was worth 4 votes of Muslims in another area?

Yeah, them.

Nice revisionist history by the way, clearly downing the Hasbara juice!

I see you didn't refute one accusation, just pointed to other times when you think they were really nice, so this meant their terror attacks from Buenos Aires to Bulgaria were fine out.

Oh and obviously anyone who points to them killing civilians around the world is a Zionist.

Incidentally, Israel is South of the Lebanon...

A Little Pony

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

Hezbollah, the terrorist anti Semitic group dedicated to the obliteration of Israel, the group that has bombed cultural centres, airplanes and busses to kill civilians, as well as assassinating democratically elected political figures in Lebanon...is a democratic organisation?

You're having a laugh!

You mean Hezbollah the group which began to protect Northern Lebanon from continuous incursions into the country by Israel and to protect people in the region from the christian falangist militias which were armed, trained and supported by Israel? The organisation who campaigned for the removal of a political system in Lebanon which meant that the vote of a Christian in 1 area was worth 4 votes of Muslims in another area?

Yeah, them.

Nice revisionist history by the way, clearly downing the Hasbara juice!

Christians standing up for themselves, how dare they. Good for them in that **** hole part of the world.

Subcomandante Marcos

A Little Pony wrote: »

Christians standing up for themselves, how dare they. Good for them in that **** hole part of the world.

You know that the Christian minorities in southeast and northern Lebanon are some of the most Ardent supporters of Hezbollah, right?

Christians weren't "sticking up for themselves" falangits were rigging elections so they could keep power and continue to oppress other ethnic and religious groups. But as you were.

Mutant z

I just wish Saudi could just disappear of the face of the world it would be better for all our sakes they over nothing but carnage to this planet.

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Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

You know that the Christian minorities in southeast and northern Lebanon are some of the most Ardent supporters of Hezbollah, right?

Christians weren't "sticking up for themselves" falangits were rigging elections so they could keep power and continue to oppress tiger ethnic and religious groups. But as you were.

I don’t think these guys know much of what’s goung on.

Anyway Saudi Arabiais clearly worse than Iran. In all ways. Despite what the neo conservatives manage to convince themselves and their minions.

Subcomandante Marcos

server down wrote: »

I don’t think these guys know much of what’s goung on.

Anyway Saudi Arabiais clearly worse than Iran. In all ways. Despite what the neo conservatives manage to convince themselves and their minions.

Murika (and proxies) = Gud. Yeehaw freedums.

That's about the height of their analysis on these issues.

A Little Pony

Mutant z wrote: »

I just wish Saudi could just disappear of the face of the world it would be better for all our sakes they over nothing but carnage to this planet.

Once the oil runs out they will have to make fundamental changes.

Gatling

server down wrote: »

I don’t think these guys know much of what’s goung on.

Anyway Saudi Arabiais clearly worse than Iran. In all ways. Despite what the neo conservatives manage to convince themselves and their minions.

There both as bad as each other but it's going to come to a head at some point ,
Could be a very dangerous situation for both but you get the feeling that it's going to come down to who's got the best backers in an all out war

Subcomandante Marcos

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Murika (and proxies) = Gud. Yeehaw freedums.

That's about the height of their analysis on these issues.

In fairness, you are the one who spoke of Israeli incursions into North Lebanon!

I don't think you can be too damning of any analysis by others...

Subcomandante Marcos

Gatling wrote: »

There both as bad as each other but it's going to come to a head at some point ,
Could be a very dangerous situation for both but you get the feeling that it's going to come down to who's got the best backers in an all out war

You just see impending war everywhere you look because of your weird romanticism of all things. military and sycophantic support of all things US/UK in these regards.

Subcomandante Marcos

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In fairness, you are the one who spoke of Israeli incursions into North Lebanon!

I don't think you can be too damning of any analysis by others...

The had incursions into north Lebanon often. They established a proxy in the south, that doesn't mean they didn't have a goo for sending boys across the border.

Gatling

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

You just see impending war everywhere you look because of your weird romanticism of all things. military and sycophantic support of all things US/UK in these regards.

No wrong but hey not your not the first to make the claims ......


So since when is Iran the bastion of humanity

Rumpy Pumpy

There should be some version of 'Godwin's Law' for morons who try and get a dig in at Israel in any debate about geopolitics.

Subcomandante Marcos

Gatling wrote: »

No wrong but hey not your not the first to make the claims ......


So since when is Iran the bastion of humanity

Never claimed they were.

I don't think Iran or by extension Hezbollah are benign harmless organisations. I just find Saudi claiming a moral high ground on anything a bit galling considering their exportation of Wahabist extremism, their passivity in the funding of terrorism by their filling class and stuff like the current bombardment and blockade and resultant impending famine in Yemen l, on top of all the human rights abuses, civil rights denials and general c*ntishness.

But because Saudi are in team murkia there are many in the media and online who will unquestioningly cheer them on when they have a go a big bad Iran.

aligator_am

Honestly, I think if it comes down to an actual shooting war, Iran will demolish them, assuming Israel doesn't come to the Saudi's aid.

Even if Iran is at the stage where they are ready to finish off the Saudis I honestly don't think the Yanks, Brits, French etc. will allow it to happen.