New range opening in Tallaght

aaakev

Hi Lads, i was up in the outdoor store today and the lads were telling me they are in the process of opening a new range just off the N81 in tallaght at the old Hazel Grove golf club. Apparently going to cater for all calibres and longer range stuff too. Plan is to be opened in January.

Sounds like it could be decent from what they were saying. Anyone else heard anything about it?

Time for another new gun i think

BillBen

Have they started building yet?

aaakev

Yeah he said they have been getting truck loads of earth in for weeks for the backstop and have started working on the clubhouse

BillBen

Very good. Will have a look when they open

Cass

Sounds good given the news i've been hearing about other ranges this last week.

Would be good to see another long range, range. Even another 300 yard one and start to do some national comps around a few of them.

Keep us informed. Has it a name yet?

aaakev

As far as thw guy inwas talking to was concerned it was going to be out to 1000 yards, he said they have 380 acres. Used to be an 11 hole golf course.

There is an open night in the shop next week so ill try find out more information then

Cass

That is brilliant. More ranges like this are sorely needed.

badaj0z

Planning permission? Will not last long without it.

aaakev

No idea man bit i wouldnt say they are spending money like that without it

gunny123

Sounds too good to be true to be honest. A 1,000 yard range in dublin ? A plot of ground large enough to accomodate a range that size would be snapped up for huge money by a developer.

In addition to that, anything run by yer man in that shop, and no one would want to know, i certainly wouldn't.

meathstevie

gunny123 wrote: »

Sounds too good to be true to be honest. A 1,000 yard range in dublin ? A plot of ground large enough to accomodate a range that size would be snapped up for huge money by a developer.

In addition to that, anything run by yer man in that shop, and no one would want to know, i certainly wouldn't.

If the land is zoned for sports and recreational use you couldn't magically turn it into residential like it could have been done in the past.

A shooting range would definitely fall within the zoning criteria if that's the case.

aaakev

I know the land was bought a few years ago for about €1m, i remember reading it when the golf course was closing. Time will tell i suppose!

gunny123

meathstevie wrote: »

If the land is zoned for sports and recreational use you couldn't magically turn it into residential like it could have been done in the past.

A shooting range would definitely fall within the zoning criteria if that's the case.

A few fat brown envelopes change hands in a dark pub carpark and it would be rezoned no bother. I know one developer personally who built scores of apartments on what was green belt land. When i asked him how that was done, all i got was a smirk and he tapped his nose. Its how things are done in Ireland and always will be.

RossiFan08

Highly unlikely to be 1000 yards as the golf course end to end is just short of 800 m and that's not taking into account berms and shooting from the very edge of the property. It is also a bit concerning having a road running through the golf course to a farm house at the end as shown in the google maps screen shot


https://imgur.com/a/cLAgW

Gatling

Very close to a local primary school and halting site ,
There is also a drug addiction crowd working in the site ,

Was supposed be to zoned for housing

badaj0z

A number of proposed and operating ranges in this country currently have planning issues. The current public attitude to ranges is hostile usually because of perceived safety, noise and environmental issues. This perception is usually wrong but it does not stop protests being mounted and local residents being stirred up.As has been shown in the above post, this range is very close to built up areas hence there could be problems with planning. If the proposed operators of this range have spent money moving earth and building anything without planning permission then they may regret it. The issue for the currently operating ranges is that such developments can bring unwanted attention.

gunny123

I remember the chap trying to get the old military range in Ticknock (above Ballinteer) reopened, it was going ok, getting the butts and firing points cleared of gorse and junk, then a local td stuck her beak in and that was that. She wanted to keep the land free of "gun nuts" and open for mountain bikers, even though the land was actually private and mountain biking at the time was not permitted on the three rock.

If i am correct, the tallaght area has a lot of the people before profit, rich boy barrett, katherine zappone and other champagne socalist types out there, who i am certain would not look favourably on a shooting range there.

Gatling

gunny123 wrote: »

If i am correct, the tallaght area has a lot of the people before profit, rich boy barrett, katherine zappone and other champagne socalist types out there, who i am certain would not look favourably on a shooting range out there.

Yes and no ,but I happen to know the residents in hazelggrove will go nuts over this and that's before you get to the local school very close by and the halting site that's regularly raised by Gardai.
It would be interesting to see what planning they actually have ,

Not against the idea myself but there will be a lot of people who will make a lot of noise about it

gunny123

Gatling wrote: »

Yes and no ,but I happen to know the residents in hazelggrove will go nuts over this and that's before you get to the local school very close by and the halting site that's regularly raised by Gardai.
It would be interesting to see what planning they actually have ,

Not against the idea myself but there will be a lot of people who will make a lot of noise about it

God, can you imagine the oul wans ringing Joe Duffy :rolleyes:

meathstevie

gunny123 wrote: »

God, can you imagine the oul wans ringing Joe Duffy :rolleyes:

Them "oul wans" probably don't even realise there's such a thing as a legally held gun... .

gunny123

meathstevie wrote: »

Them "oul wans" probably don't even realise there's such a thing as a legally held gun... .

Exactly, so some anti can go around and fill them with tales of woe - "Gun nuts, dunblane, columbine, etc etc" :rolleyes:

ScouseMouse

Gatling wrote: »

Yes and no ,but I happen to know the residents in hazelggrove will go nuts over this and that's before you get to the local school very close by and the halting site that's regularly raised by Gardai.
It would be interesting to see what planning they actually have ,

Not against the idea myself but there will be a lot of people who will make a lot of noise about it

Excuse my ignorance, but what effect would that have on the residents of Hazelgrove?

Gatling

ScouseMouse wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance, but what effect would that have on the residents of Hazelgrove?

Well they absolutely raised hell over a new school built ,now tell them there is a range going In a couple hundred yards away from their doors you can expect a very loud response ,

Speaking from experience

ScouseMouse

Gatling wrote: »

Well they absolutely raised hell over a new school built ,now tell them there is a range going In a couple hundred yards away from their doors you can expect a very loud response ,

Speaking from experience

That was due to massive traffic issues caused by the school having one entry and exit INTO the quiet estate, I couldn't blame them.
I am just trying to work out how this would affect the estate. I know I wouldnt want to put anything next to the halting site, the gardai raid it regularly.

Del2005

RossiFan08 wrote: »

Highly unlikely to be 1000 yards as the golf course end to end is just short of 800 m and that's not taking into account berms and shooting from the very edge of the property. It is also a bit concerning having a road running through the golf course to a farm house at the end as shown in the google maps screen shot


https://imgur.com/a/cLAgW

Better tell the Swiss that it's dangerous to fire across a road.

https://www.google.ie/amp/www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/11/22/rifle-range-highway-switzerland/amp/

MarcinG

First time i heard about this range was last april. And it meant to be open before summer..

badaj0z

Gatling wrote: »

It would be interesting to see what planning they actually have ,

I searched the South County Dublin planning files for the area and for any applications mentioning "range", "shooting", "Rifle" or "pistol" and can not find any applications of this type. This does not mean they have not applied but it does mean I can not find an application in the most likely categories.

mylo10

I met the guys in Outdoor Sports who are opening this range. Signed up for information on it. It does look promising if it goes ahead.

Wasn't the golf club house burnt down a few years back?

I wish them the best with this and hope to be down there when/if it opens.

Gatling

mylo10 wrote: »

Wasn't the golf club house burnt down a few years back?

Yeah last year it burned down ,
It was replaced with a drug addiction treatment house

Del2005

mylo10 wrote: »

I met the guys in Outdoor Sports who are opening this range. Signed up for information on it. It does look promising if it goes ahead.

Wasn't the golf club house burnt down a few years back?

I wish them the best with this and hope to be down there when/if it opens.

From reading this thread I've discovered that it's very close to me, if it goes ahead I'd be very interested in taking up the sport. But looking at the SDCC planning map there is no application for the golf course. Can a shooting range use the same zoning/planning as a golf course?

meathstevie

Del2005 wrote: »

From reading this thread I've discovered that it's very close to me, if it goes ahead I'd be very interested in taking up the sport. But looking at the SDCC planning map there is no application for the golf course. Can a shooting range use the same zoning/planning as a golf course?

I'm far from a planning expert but given that a golf course and a shooting range are both sporting/recreational facilities I reckon zoning would be ok. A whole different ball game for obtaining licences, permits etc etc for the intended activity to be able to be conducted lawfully though.

ezra_

I took a quick look and could see that there were a number of planning applications lodged for Courtlough.

Mainly relating to the shooting stands, clubhouse and backstops.

Hard to see how another range could be put up without these?

aaakev

Thw guy i was talking to actually mentioned the backstop, he said originally they had to be a certain height then when they were built up they were told to go higher. Not sure what the story is with planning, i didn't ask but from what he was saying there are officials involved and advising.

Has anyone else been in the shop and heard anything?

650gs

I know the guys from the drug addiction treatment house walk the golf course every evening and pray on the hill maybe that will help

Tea drinker

gunny123 wrote: »

I remember the chap trying to get the old military range in Ticknock (above Ballinteer) reopened, it was going ok, getting the butts and firing points cleared of gorse and junk, then a local td stuck her beak in and that was that. She wanted to keep the land free of "gun nuts" and open for mountain bikers, even though the land was actually private and mountain biking at the time was not permitted on the three rock.
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Hah.. Nice... the mountainbikers can be ok but I've seen bikers urinating in front of women/kids/dogs up in ticknock car park.That worked out well for everyone then :-)

BattleCorp

Tea drinker wrote: »

Hah.. Nice... the mountainbikers can be ok but I've seen bikers urinating in front of women/kids/dogs up in ticknock car park.That worked out well for everyone then :-)

Would a dog be offended if you urinated in front of it?

gunny123

Tea drinker wrote: »

Hah.. Nice... the mountainbikers can be ok but I've seen bikers urinating in front of women/kids/dogs up in ticknock car park.That worked out well for everyone then :-)

Cycle nazi's, the country is infected with them. They are always right, because they are saving the planet, well on weekends anyway.

Chiparus

gunny123 wrote: »

Cycle nazi's, the country is infected with them. They are always right, because they are saving the planet, well on weekends anyway.

Some of us deer stalkers enjoy mountain biking/are Cycle nazis.:rolleyes:

MrReal

I have lived in the area all my life, every summer that golf course has kids on it playing and going up over the hills, it would be crazy to put a gun club so close to a residential area and school.

650gs

Bohernabreena gun club is behind the Church and houses less than 20 meter from it with walkers. bikers, church goers, funerals and lots of kids pass by and never had a bother

extremetaz

MrReal wrote: »

it would be crazy to put a gun club so close to a residential area and school.

There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that any range in this country would ever be permitted to face towards a populated area - none; zero; zip; nada!

It may be located adjacent but shooting away from, certainly - in which case, assuming covered firing points (which are inevitable) there's no risk. So no, not crazy at all.

In fact it's obsurdly conservative compared to some european ranges:
https://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2016/10/27/video-rilfe-range-shoots-busy-main-road/

Gatling

extremetaz wrote: »

There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that any range in this country would ever be permitted to face towards a populated area - none; zero; zip; nada!

It may be located adjacent but shooting away from, certainly - in which case, assuming covered firing points (which are inevitable) there's no risk. So no, not crazy at all.

What if there's property directly to the left and direct sight in a straight line

gunny123

It smells like developers ruse to me, the whole thing. Buy land, get knocked back by the county council for pp for a gazillion apartments. What to do ? Attempt to open something like a scrap yard, halting site, or (in this case) rifle range. The locals get up in arms and bombard the council with complaints and objections, and council reconsider the original pp for the apartments.

Gatling

gunny123 wrote: »

It smells like developers ruse to me, the whole thing. Buy land, get knocked back by the county council for pp for a gazillion apartments. What to do ? Attempt to open something like a scrap yard, halting site, or (in this case) rifle range. The locals get up in arms and bombard the council with complaints and objections, and council reconsider the original pp for the apartments.

There is already a Halting site sitting right beside it ,a church of some kind ,a farm ,close to a primary school already ,
And there is a fair amount of land in the vacinity zoned for housing .
And locals looking for a new secondary school

extremetaz

Gatling wrote: »

What if there's property directly to the left and direct sight in a straight line

Direct sight specifically from where? If it's from a firing point, then there is a concern warranted in the case of accidental discharge, but I can't imagine that could ever be the case - even if such property is visible from a proposed firing point in the absence of any structures, by the time anything is constructed I would expect that there would be more than ample barrier present - that's simply common sense.

Cass

aaakev wrote: »

Hi Lads, i was up in the outdoor store today and the lads were telling me they are in the process of opening a new range just off the N81 in tallaght at the old Hazel Grove golf club. Apparently going to cater for all calibres and longer range stuff too.

Has the above anything to do with this.

aaakev

Cass wrote: »

aaakev wrote: »

Hi Lads, i was up in the outdoor store today and the lads were telling me they are in the process of opening a new range just off the N81 in tallaght at the old Hazel Grove golf club. Apparently going to cater for all calibres and longer range stuff too.

Has the above anything to do with this.

Certainly seems to be the same people alright

ezra_

aaakev wrote: »

Certainly seems to be the same people alright

I can certainly see that ending well, based on the performance so far.

aaakev

Big time.... i wouldnt be surprised if they were already charging membership

BattleCorp

What permissions would they need if they were operating a clay pigeon range there? I'm guessing that is what is taking place there.

aaakev

BattleCorp wrote: »

What permissions would they need if they were operating a clay pigeon range there? I'm guessing that is what is taking place there.

From what i was told its a rifle range