“The” Queen. Who the fucκ is that?

Gerrup Outta Dat!

It really annoys me when Irish people say THE Queen when referring to QEII. She’s A Queen, not THE Queen.

If I said the king, to whom would I be referring? King Harald of Norway? King Gustav of Sweden? The king of Spain? King Wilhelm-Alexander of the Netherlands? There’s more than one King. So saying “the” king wouldn’t make sense without context.

Similarly there’s more than one queen in the world. When someone’s uses “ The Queen” in a sentence I always say “which one?”.

That’s west brits for you.

Zebra3

Post-colonial syndrome.

Just as bad as all the gimps in this country going round proclaiming themselves to be “Scouse” or “a Manc” and then the idiots who think that Glasgow is part of Ireland. :rolleyes:

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

"He works in the Bank"

It doesn't cost me much thought to be honest. But, carry on.

dd972

I find it irritating as well, it's like there's some prevailing notion that the U.K, particularly London is the centre of the universe.

Gerrup Outta Dat!

A lot of normal countries ban the use of titles of nobility. If QEII comes here she should be referred to as Elizabeth or Mrs Saxe-Coburg.

I’d never degrade myself to using your majesty or sir or madam to another person.

I will however, always respect titles that people have earned through hard work or devotion such as Dr., Prof., Father, Imam, Sister etc.

EndaHonesty

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

It really annoys me when Irish people say THE Queen when referring to QEII. She’s A Queen, not THE Queen.

If I said the king, to whom would I be referring? King Harald of Norway? King Gustav of Sweden? The king of Spain? King Wilhelm of the Netherlands? There’s more than one King. So saying “the” king wouldn’t make sense without context.

There’s more than one queen in the world. When someone’s uses “ The Queen” in a sentence I always say “which one?”.

That’s west brits for you.

It really annoys you? :rolleyes:

Gerrup outta dat.

Sofiztikated

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

A lot of normal countries ban the use of titles of nobility. If QEII comes here she should be referred to as Elizabeth or Mrs Saxe-Coburg.

I’d never degrade myself to using your majesty or sir or madam to another person.

Which countries would that be?

harry Bailey esq

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

It really annoys me when Irish people say THE Queen when referring to QEII. She’s A Queen, not THE Queen.

If I said the king, to whom would I be referring? King Harald of Norway? King Gustav of Sweden? The king of Spain? King Wilhelm of the Netherlands? There’s more than one King. So saying “the” king wouldn’t make sense without context.

There’s more than one queen in the world. When someone’s uses “ The Queen” in a sentence I always say “which one?”.

That’s west brits for you.

I don't call her the queen, lustylizzie52 on snapchat.

Outlaw Pete

She's the most famous Queen (apart from Elton maybe) and so therefore see no issues with people referring to her as the Queen.

Quackster

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

It really annoys me when Irish people say THE Queen when referring to QEII. She’s A Queen, not THE Queen.

If I said the king, to whom would I be referring? King Harald of Norway? King Gustav of Sweden? The king of Spain? King Wilhelm of the Netherlands? There’s more than one King. So saying “the” king wouldn’t make sense without context.

There’s more than one queen in the world. When someone’s uses “ The Queen” in a sentence I always say “which one?”.

That’s west brits for you.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Gerrup Outta Dat!

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Which countries would that be?

Austria, however, legally abolished its nobility and hereditary titles after World War I and bans the use of noble titles and nobiliary particles.

There you go

cantdecide

I always mix her up with Freddie Mercury

EndaHonesty

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

There you go

you said "a lot"...?

The_Valeyard

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

She's the most famous Queen (apart from Elton maybe) and so therefore see no issues with people referring to her as the Queen.

Ah, she's no

Daenerys of the House Targaryen, the First of Her Name
The Unburnt
The Breaker of Chains
The Mother of Dragons
The Queen Across the Sea
The Silver Queen
The Dragon Queen

artanevilla

"James McClean hates the fûckin Queen of the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand."

Doesn't have the same ring to it.

exaisle

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

It really annoys me when Irish people say THE Queen when referring to QEII. She’s A Queen, not THE Queen.

If I said the king, to whom would I be referring?

Elvis!

Your annoyance threshold is much too low...

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

It really annoys me when Irish people say THE Queen when referring to QEII. She’s A Queen, not THE Queen.

If I said the king, to whom would I be referring? King Harald of Norway? King Gustav of Sweden? The king of Spain? King Wilhelm-Alexander of the Netherlands? There’s more than one King. So saying “the” king wouldn’t make sense without context.

There’s more than one queen in the world. When someone’s uses “ The Queen” in a sentence I always say “which one?”.

That’s west brits for you.

Just as well we don't have her initials on any post boxes or you'd really lose the rag.

A Little Pony

Long live the Queen!

njs030

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

A lot of normal countries ban the use of titles of nobility. If QEII comes here she should be referred to as Elizabeth or Mrs Saxe-Coburg.

Why would you call her Mrs Saxe-Coburg?
Prince Phillips family name is Mountbatten so if you want to call her Mrs anything it'd be Mrs Mountbatten.

You don't call a married woman by her maiden name even if you're rude enough to insist on using surnames at all.

Fr_Dougal

We live in the British Isles, so we’ve kinda adopted her.

yabadabado

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

It really annoys me when Irish people say THE Queen when referring to QEII. She’s A Queen, not THE Queen.

If I said the king, to whom would I be referring? King Harald of Norway? King Gustav of Sweden? The king of Spain? King Wilhelm-Alexander of the Netherlands? There’s more than one King. So saying “the” king wouldn’t make sense without context.

There’s more than one queen in the world. When someone’s uses “ The Queen” in a sentence I always say “which one?”.

That’s west brits for you.

You are a full sad sack

Del2005

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

It really annoys me when Irish people say THE Queen when referring to QEII. She’s A Queen, not THE Queen.

If I said the king, to whom would I be referring? King Harald of Norway? King Gustav of Sweden? The king of Spain? King Wilhelm-Alexander of the Netherlands? There’s more than one King. So saying “the” king wouldn’t make sense without context.

There’s more than one queen in the world. When someone’s uses “ The Queen” in a sentence I always say “which one?”.

That’s west brits for you.

Is Queen the same in all languages? Because if not then she is The Queen. The Koningin would be for the Dutch etc

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Depends on who does the refering. I've Dutch friends who refer to the king every now and again, but I don't moan at them for not specifying which king they're refering to.

splinter65

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

She's the most famous Queen (apart from Elton maybe) and so therefore see no issues with people referring to her as the Queen.

UK citizens refer to her as the Queen because ...er...that’s who she is to them.
We share so much with them back and forth that it would be unnecessarily fussy to keep specifying Queen of England etc on the odd occasion that she is mentioned in passing.
It would be like persistently referring to Donald Trump POTUS, instead of just saying President Trump or even just Trump or Obama.
Pedantic I think is the word.

splinter65

A Little Pony wrote: »

Long live the Queen!

And all who sail in her! Hurrah!

yabadabado

splinter65 wrote: »

UK citizens refer to her as the Queen because ...er...that’s who she is to them.
We share so much with them back and forth that it would be unnecessarily fussy to keep specifying Queen of England etc on the odd occasion that she is mentioned in passing.
It would be like persistently referring to Donald Trump POTUS, instead of just saying President Trump or even just Trump or Obama.
Pedantic I think is the word.

Not the same thing at all

Noveight

artanevilla wrote: »

"James McClean hates the fûckin Queen of the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand."

I always thought it was Spain's Queen Latizia he had a problem with.

Gerrup Outta Dat!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Depends on who does the refering. I've Dutch friends who refer to the king every now and again, but I don't moan at them for not specifying which king they're refering to.

Because it’s THEIR king.

Do you have difficulty comprehending this.

If I said the president I’d obviously be referring to Michael Higgins.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

There you go

Austria, however, legally abolished its nobility and hereditary titles after World War I and bans the use of noble titles and nobiliary particles.

Selective quoting there. Banned for Austrians within Austria. The don't ban calling a royal of another country by their title.

Gerrup Outta Dat!

Grayson Jealous Cursor wrote: »

Just as well we don't have her initials on any post boxes or you'd really lose the rag.

There are some postboxes desecrated with crowns still. They should be replaced with a silhouette of Kevin Barry.

splinter65

yabadabado wrote: »

Not the same thing at all

No, probably not.
Trying here to think of a better analogy.
It just seems correct to assume that a reference to the Queen stipulates the current Queen of England and not some other Queen.
I know when the Queen is mentioned in the US they assume it is the Queen of England.
She’s very old and very famous I suppose.
Ok if I say Leo who do you assume I’m referring too?

mikhail

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

That’s west brits for you.

Zebra3 wrote: »

Post-colonial syndrome.

I wonder if we'll ever get over this inferiority complex that makes people attack the faintest whiff of Englishness. I find it kind of sad that as a nation, we're obsessed with defining ourselves in terms of what we're not.

splinter65

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

There are some postboxes desecrated with crowns still. They should be replaced with a silhouette of Kevin Barry.

Did Kevin Barry found An Post?!?

Gerrup Outta Dat!

splinter65 wrote: »

No, probably not.
Trying here to think of a better analogy.
It just seems correct to assume that a reference to the Queen stipulates the current Queen of England and not some other Queen.
I know when the Queen is mentioned in the US they assume it is the Queen of England.
She’s very old and very famous I suppose.
Ok if I say Leo who do you assume I’m referring too?

Still not the same thing. You should understand that Leo is OUR Taoiseach. QEII is not OUR Queen.

Gerrup Outta Dat!

splinter65 wrote: »

Did Kevin Barry found An Post?!?

The terrorist British royal family didn’t either.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

Because it’s THEIR king.

Do you have difficulty comprehending this.

If I said the president I’d obviously be referring to Michael Higgins.

Fair enough, I missed the bit where you said Irish people (lthough I don't actually know many of them who do that).

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

There are some postboxes desecrated with crowns still. They should be replaced with a silhouette of Kevin Barry.

I know, you started another rant of a thread on that before!

Gerrup Outta Dat!

notjustsweet wrote: »

You don't call a married woman by her maiden name even if you're rude enough to insist on using surnames at all.

so referring to her by Mrs. (Married name) is rude? That’s her name.

As someone who isn't Irish or British, seeing how pathetic some Irish people are towards all things British was a real eye-opener when I first moved here.

Am used to it now, though :pac:

PhoenixParker

She's currently the oldest reigning monarch, the longest reigning monarch and the monarch reigning over the most countries.
Due to the above three, the extent of the former British empire and press popularity she is also the best known queen.

Taken together that puts her well above every other monarch worldwide, and she becomes the queen.

Prune Tracy

I'm not a fan of monarchy and I'm certainly not a "west Brit" but people say "the queen" here because it's known full well who is being referred to, she's only across the Irish Sea and we are familiar with her and not familiar with other queens.

It's not because of a sense of admiration/being subordinated.

Graham

mikhail wrote: »

I wonder if we'll ever get over this inferiority complex that makes people attack the faintest whiff of Englishness. I find it kind of sad that as a nation, we're obsessed with defining ourselves in terms of what we're not.

In fairness, it's only a small minority of the population that's obsessed with looking backward rather than forwards.

BalcombeSt4

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

Because it’s THEIR king.

Do you have difficulty comprehending this.

If I said the president I’d obviously be referring to Michael Higgins.

Nope, I would think you were talking about the US president. Ijust call our one, Michael D.

DoozerT6

With the British being our close next door neighbours and all, I think it's far more likely that someone in Ballydehob who happens to mention "The Queen" in passing conversation with someone, is probably referring to Liz from Buck House, and not Queen Someone Else from Another European Country Who Has Never Had Any Dealings With, Or Bearing On, Our History.

alchemist33

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

We live in the British Isles, so we’ve kinda adopted her.

I see what you're doing there Dougal, you shnakey divil

Gerrup Outta Dat!

Prune Tracy wrote: »

she's only across the Irish Sea and we are familiar with her and not familiar with other queens.

It's not because of a sense of admiration/being subordinated.

So if I say The President to an English person, would they know I’m referring to Michael Higgins?

alchemist33

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

The terrorist royal family didn’t either.

Which terrorist royal family? I thought you hated people using THE? Bleedin west brit

Gerrup Outta Dat!

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Nope, I would think you were talking about the US president. Ijust call our one, Michael D.

Says a lot about you as a person.

Graham

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

So if I say The President to an English person, would they know I’m referring to Michael Higgins?

It's probably safe to assume 99% of the UK population have no idea Ireland has a president.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

Says a lot about you as a person.

Says a lot about many people in this country then. I only ever hear him referred to as Michael D of Mickey D.

donegal_man

Graham wrote: »

In fairness, it's only a small minority of the population that's obsessed with looking backward rather than forwards.

But by God they're a vocal minority