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“The” Queen. Who the fucκ is that?

Gerrup Outta Dat!

It really annoys me when Irish people say THE Queen when referring to QEII. She’s A Queen, not THE Queen.

If I said the king, to whom would I be referring? King Harald of Norway? King Gustav of Sweden? The king of Spain? King Wilhelm-Alexander of the Netherlands? There’s more than one King. So saying “the” king wouldn’t make sense without context.

Similarly there’s more than one queen in the world. When someone’s uses “ The Queen” in a sentence I always say “which one?”.

That’s west brits for you.

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mikhail

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

That’s west brits for you.

Zebra3 wrote: »

Post-colonial syndrome.

I wonder if we'll ever get over this inferiority complex that makes people attack the faintest whiff of Englishness. I find it kind of sad that as a nation, we're obsessed with defining ourselves in terms of what we're not.

splinter65

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

There are some postboxes desecrated with crowns still. They should be replaced with a silhouette of Kevin Barry.

Did Kevin Barry found An Post?!?

Gerrup Outta Dat!

splinter65 wrote: »

No, probably not.
Trying here to think of a better analogy.
It just seems correct to assume that a reference to the Queen stipulates the current Queen of England and not some other Queen.
I know when the Queen is mentioned in the US they assume it is the Queen of England.
She’s very old and very famous I suppose.
Ok if I say Leo who do you assume I’m referring too?

Still not the same thing. You should understand that Leo is OUR Taoiseach. QEII is not OUR Queen.

Gerrup Outta Dat!

splinter65 wrote: »

Did Kevin Barry found An Post?!?

The terrorist British royal family didn’t either.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

Because it’s THEIR king.

Do you have difficulty comprehending this.

If I said the president I’d obviously be referring to Michael Higgins.

Fair enough, I missed the bit where you said Irish people (lthough I don't actually know many of them who do that).

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

There are some postboxes desecrated with crowns still. They should be replaced with a silhouette of Kevin Barry.

I know, you started another rant of a thread on that before!

Gerrup Outta Dat!

notjustsweet wrote: »

You don't call a married woman by her maiden name even if you're rude enough to insist on using surnames at all.

so referring to her by Mrs. (Married name) is rude? That’s her name.

[Deleted User]

As someone who isn't Irish or British, seeing how pathetic some Irish people are towards all things British was a real eye-opener when I first moved here.

Am used to it now, though :pac:

PhoenixParker

She's currently the oldest reigning monarch, the longest reigning monarch and the monarch reigning over the most countries.
Due to the above three, the extent of the former British empire and press popularity she is also the best known queen.

Taken together that puts her well above every other monarch worldwide, and she becomes the queen.

Prune Tracy

I'm not a fan of monarchy and I'm certainly not a "west Brit" but people say "the queen" here because it's known full well who is being referred to, she's only across the Irish Sea and we are familiar with her and not familiar with other queens.

It's not because of a sense of admiration/being subordinated.

Graham

mikhail wrote: »

I wonder if we'll ever get over this inferiority complex that makes people attack the faintest whiff of Englishness. I find it kind of sad that as a nation, we're obsessed with defining ourselves in terms of what we're not.

In fairness, it's only a small minority of the population that's obsessed with looking backward rather than forwards.

BalcombeSt4

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

Because it’s THEIR king.

Do you have difficulty comprehending this.

If I said the president I’d obviously be referring to Michael Higgins.

Nope, I would think you were talking about the US president. Ijust call our one, Michael D.

DoozerT6

With the British being our close next door neighbours and all, I think it's far more likely that someone in Ballydehob who happens to mention "The Queen" in passing conversation with someone, is probably referring to Liz from Buck House, and not Queen Someone Else from Another European Country Who Has Never Had Any Dealings With, Or Bearing On, Our History.

alchemist33

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

We live in the British Isles, so we’ve kinda adopted her.

I see what you're doing there Dougal, you shnakey divil

Gerrup Outta Dat!

Prune Tracy wrote: »

she's only across the Irish Sea and we are familiar with her and not familiar with other queens.

It's not because of a sense of admiration/being subordinated.

So if I say The President to an English person, would they know I’m referring to Michael Higgins?

alchemist33

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

The terrorist royal family didn’t either.

Which terrorist royal family? I thought you hated people using THE? Bleedin west brit

Gerrup Outta Dat!

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Nope, I would think you were talking about the US president. Ijust call our one, Michael D.

Says a lot about you as a person.

Graham

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

So if I say The President to an English person, would they know I’m referring to Michael Higgins?

It's probably safe to assume 99% of the UK population have no idea Ireland has a president.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

Says a lot about you as a person.

Says a lot about many people in this country then. I only ever hear him referred to as Michael D of Mickey D.

donegal_man

Graham wrote: »

In fairness, it's only a small minority of the population that's obsessed with looking backward rather than forwards.

But by God they're a vocal minority

Graham

donegal_man wrote: »

But by God they're a vocal minority

There's no disputing that.

It's kind of fascinating to watch them though. Like walking into a working-museum where you get to see what life used to be like.

GhostyMcGhost

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

It really annoys me when Irish people say THE Queen when referring to QEII. She’s A Queen, not THE Queen.

If I said the king, to whom would I be referring? King Harald of Norway? King Gustav of Sweden? The king of Spain? King Wilhelm-Alexander of the Netherlands? There’s more than one King. So saying “the” king wouldn’t make sense without context.

Similarly there’s more than one queen in the world. When someone’s uses “ The Queen” in a sentence I always say “which one?”.

That’s west brits for you.

She's the queen of England not a queen of England

tayto lover

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

It really annoys me when Irish people say THE Queen when referring to QEII. She’s A Queen, not THE Queen.

If I said the king, to whom would I be referring? King Harald of Norway? King Gustav of Sweden? The king of Spain? King Wilhelm-Alexander of the Netherlands? There’s more than one King. So saying “the” king wouldn’t make sense without context.

Similarly there’s more than one queen in the world. When someone’s uses “ The Queen” in a sentence I always say “which one?”.

That’s west brits for you.

Elvis.

njs030

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

so referring to her by Mrs. (Married name) is rude? That’s her name.

You don't seem to know what her married name actually is though.
It'd be very rude to refer to a married woman as Mrs (her maiden name)

Arghus

Because how then are people supposed to know you aren't referring to Queen Margret II of Denmark.

greencap

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

It really annoys me when Irish people say THE Queen when referring to QEII. She’s A Queen, not THE Queen.

If I said the king, to whom would I be referring? King Harald of Norway? King Gustav of Sweden? The king of Spain? King Wilhelm-Alexander of the Netherlands? There’s more than one King. So saying “the” king wouldn’t make sense without context.

Similarly there’s more than one queen in the world. When someone’s uses “ The Queen” in a sentence I always say “which one?”.

That’s west brits for you.

don't think you need worry much longer.

give it a year.

Osmosis Jones

Every single person here knew exactly which Queen you were referring to in your title, despite not specifying, so I don't see the issue with referring to her as such.

Panrich

First world problem

Strazdas

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Every single person here knew exactly which Queen you were referring to in your title, despite not specifying, so I don't see the issue with referring to her as such.

Even people from European countries with queens (and kings) as head of state know exactly who "The Queen" is. It's disingenuous nonsense from Irish republicans to pretend otherwise.

Ronin247

splinter65 wrote: »

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Ok if I say Leo who do you assume I’m referring too?

Different Queen altogether