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Man! I feel like a runner
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Mon 28th
They've 'done up' i.e. tarmacadamed some of the canal walkway near Daingean in Offaly so I met a couple of friends to walk a bit of it. Nice spot, will have to head back for a run there I think.
Went into the wind farm for a run on my way home, decided to venture off the parkrun route after looking at a sign showing the different routes. What the sign failed to show were the other roads I might come across... I spent at least 20 mins not really sure where the hell I was and not a sign of a single other person out there! My planned 5 miles turned into 8 (8.38/m) and I got a lovely head cold from being blown out of it under the turbines. Ah no harm done really.
You do know that the turbines have nothing to do with creating the wind right? in fact, technically they slow the wind down.
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crisco10 wrote:You do know that the turbines have nothing to do with creating the wind right? in fact, technically they slow the wind down.
Well clearly I didn't know this
they need to put up another sign explaining it all for dummies! 0 -
Seem to be a few resurrections around the training logs .. people are confusing Christmas with Easter it seems :pac:
Tues 29th Dec
No run, just met schoolfriends again for more walking along the Grand Canal in Edenderry.Prob a good 8km walk tbh.
Weds 30th
6.2 miles @9.00/m. Absolutely no discipline on pace this time of year, much like the no discipline on diet! Definitely didn't feel totally easy, that said I had the headcold still.
Thurs 31st
6.1 miles @ 9.03/m to bring me just past 1800 miles for the year. I've never gotten more than 1365 before so I'm fairly chuffed with this! Curious if I can add a few extra each week now to hit 2000 in a year.
Fri 1st Jan 2021
Handy afternoon miles just to start the year off nicely, 3.4 @ 9.01/m.
Sat 2nd Jan
Decided to brave the canal bank on my own for a stretch (apparently its usually the haunt of our local drug dealers so have always avoided, but they seem to have taken the full Christmas break, not a sign of any ). It was lovely and SO FLAT! 5 miles @ 8.35/m.
Sun 3rd Jan
Day spent sorting my return to Dublin so didn't get a run in. God knows when I'll get back to Offaly with the way things are gone again. But all healthy and stayed healthy over the holidays so long may that last.
Total 28.8 miles. Weeks like that won't get me 2000 miles but there are plenty of days left in the year
And now, 2021. I would like someone to just tell me what to do :rolleyes: I don't really know what to focus on. I had signed up for Connemara half but as the days go by, it hardly seems likely to go ahead. So I dunno. If anyone would like to give me suggestions, I'd like that a lot !!!
I'll be getting back to my S&C this week anyway, presumably haven't gone backwards too much in the last 2 weeks!0 -
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It's tough going without races. Hard to see Conn going ahead, it's too early in the year. You could target a fast HM in Charleville in Sept
In the meantime maybe a base plan or the Grads 10k-HM plan. That's a nice plan with lots of variety.
Or how do you feel about the 10k now, unfinished business perhaps? You could set a date 10-12 weeks out from now for a TT. Restrictions permitting maybe you could drum up interest from a few other runners from here to do it with you.0 -
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It's tough going without races. Hard to see Conn going ahead, it's too early in the year. You could target a fast HM in Charleville in Sept
In the meantime maybe a base plan or the Grads 10k-HM plan. That's a nice plan with lots of variety.
Or how do you feel about the 10k now, unfinished business perhaps? You could set a date 10-12 weeks out from now for a TT. Restrictions permitting maybe you could drum up interest from a few other runners from here to do it with you.
I did the Grads half plan this time last year actually, it is great alright and did me well.
I definitely feel like there is much unfinished business with the 10k. The problem is every distance looks tempting right now (which is probably a good sign in terms of motivation), it's just so hard to choose with no definite targets.
What are YOU going to do for the late winter / spring?? :pac:0 -
Sure you're sorted! Focus on 10k for the first part of 2021, do some base building following that and then target the HM in Sept/Oct! That's similar to my plan although I was going for a 10 miler later in the year but Charleville is on my door step so....
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I did the Grads half plan this time last year actually, it is great alright and did me well.
I definitely feel like there is much unfinished business with the 10k. The problem is every distance looks tempting right now (which is probably a good sign in terms of motivation), it's just so hard to choose with no definite targets.
What are YOU going to do for the late winter / spring?? :pac:
I've set a date for a 10m TT in March so that's the focus for the next 9/10 weeks. I registered for a 10m last March which rolled over to this March. I assume it won't go ahead but I'll do a TT on the day regardless - it gives me a focus and it fits in with my plans for later in the year which is an Autumn marathon.
I completely understand what you mean about every distance being tempting though! I've been the very same in previous years and I've dithered about and to some degree ended up in a state of paralysis by analysis. I think you and I are both in a good position where we can still improve at every distance and that is what makes it so hard to decide, it's like sitting in front of a box of sweets and trying to pick just one or two :pac:
Sometimes talking through it with someone can help you to find the answer, the right probing question might just reveal the answer 0 -
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Swashbuckler wrote: »Poop...... Now that I've dragged down the tone as promised......
It's a tricky time with no races and given I'm only catching up on your log I'm not sure how you feel about TT's. If you're a fan then a proper race specific block wouldn't do any harm.
As you may/may not know I spent most of 2020 base building. That's not to say I didn't have big chunky sessions. I did but there was very little race specific stuff that you'd normally see in a 'plan from a book'. I came on massively. That being said it was a coached base building block and for sure I wouldn't have been able to pluck that plan from a book or online. Base building as I've seen in books/online is very different to what I experienced last year. I almost wouldn't have known I was base building other than I was told! Lol.
What am I trying to say. I think there's huge benefit in base building in the absense of any meaningful races but you'll benefit less from just plucking another base plan from Daniels and just rerunning it. It depends what motivated you? Is it the training or is it the target?
If you're OK with TT and you're motivated by an end goal then I'd always lean towards 10k (personal preference). HM and M training is a little more draining on the body especially in lockdown and might be hard to keep motivated knowing you only have a TT at the end. 10k has nice sharp sessions to keep things interesting and provides a good base to move down or up in distance after. It's a nice midpoint. But I'm biased as we all know at this stage.
Poop........ Awful low tone in this log......
Your trolling needs work.
Thanks for the input however I don't mind the idea of TTs up to 10k, but then the reality of them is fairly awful! You asked what motivated me... I think just the love of running? So many times last year I loved being out and being able to run. That said, I am also very very keen to hit certain times over certain distances so...
I had mostly decided on following a 10k plan following AGYR and ariana's input yesterday, possibly a Daniel's one. I quite enjoy following plans from books personally, especially with this place as an online resource when I have questions or worries!0 -
Swashbuckler wrote: »Poop...... Now that I've dragged down the tone as promised......
It's a tricky time with no races and given I'm only catching up on your log I'm not sure how you feel about TT's. If you're a fan then a proper race specific block wouldn't do any harm.
As you may/may not know I spent most of 2020 base building. That's not to say I didn't have big chunky sessions. I did but there was very little race specific stuff that you'd normally see in a 'plan from a book'. I came on massively. That being said it was a coached base building block and for sure I wouldn't have been able to pluck that plan from a book or online. Base building as I've seen in books/online is very different to what I experienced last year. I almost wouldn't have known I was base building other than I was told! Lol.
What am I trying to say. I think there's huge benefit in base building in the absense of any meaningful races but you'll benefit less from just plucking another base plan from Daniels and just rerunning it. It depends what motivated you? Is it the training or is it the target?
If you're OK with TT and you're motivated by an end goal then I'd always lean towards 10k (personal preference). HM and M training is a little more draining on the body especially in lockdown and might be hard to keep motivated knowing you only have a TT at the end. 10k has nice sharp sessions to keep things interesting and provides a good base to move down or up in distance after. It's a nice midpoint. But I'm biased as we all know at this stage.
Poop........ Awful low tone in this log......
Would you not say this about 10 mile? It seems a million miles from 10k to Marathon or even HM, even in how you approach a 10k race, strategy etc. whereas 10 mile training gives a strong foundation to go up or down from and still without draining the body and mind as a HM or M would (I still can't believe how many people ran marathon TTs last year and did so well in them too, it's mind blowing!).
Sorry for the hijack V
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Would you not say this about 10 mile? It seems a million miles from 10k to Marathon or even HM, even in how you approach a 10k race, strategy etc. whereas 10 mile training gives a strong foundation to go up or down from and still without draining the body and mind as a HM or M would (I still can't believe how many people ran marathon TTs last year and did so well in them too, it's mind blowing!).
Sorry for the hijack V
No worries - it's a good question! I'd put a 10 mile as much the same thing as a HM in my head interestingly...0 -
Would you not say this about 10 mile? It seems a million miles from 10k to Marathon or even HM, even in how you approach a 10k race, strategy etc. whereas 10 mile training gives a strong foundation to go up or down from and still without draining the body and mind as a HM or M would (I still can't believe how many people ran marathon TTs last year and did so well in them too, it's mind blowing!).
Sorry for the hijack V
Yep definitely. I wouldn't really differentiate much between 10k and 10M training to be honest. As you move up in distance the emphasis shifts more towards the longer, harder sessions (high end aerobic and threshold but high volume). Some of those sessions you'd see healy and AMK running for Marathon training are frightening.
I don't think the gap from 10k to HM is as big as you think. Just a slight shift in emphasis. Same working down from 10k to 5k. That's why I see it as a nice midpoint. Well trained 10k runners have a really good base for HM and M training.
10M training and 10k training are very similar (in my opinion). Maybe your just getting a slightly better base off the 10M if plan is to move up in distance after.0 -
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And now, 2021. I would like someone to just tell me what to do :rolleyes: I don't really know what to focus on. I had signed up for Connemara half but as the days go by, it hardly seems likely to go ahead. So I dunno. If anyone would like to give me suggestions, I'd like that a lot !!!
'Process, not outcome' is how Ben Parkes put it in one of his recent videos. Mind you, he's aiming for 4,000 miles this year. But yeah, he's right and you'd understand this mindset too, both theory and practice. Moderator: Television, Psychology and Dublin County North.
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The Black Oil wrote: »'Process, not outcome' is how Ben Parkes put it in one of his recent videos. Mind you, he's aiming for 4,000 miles this year. But yeah, he's right and you'd understand this mindset too, both theory and practice.
Haven't watched that lad before.. does he not feel like a bit of a tool getting his mate to film him running in busy London :pac:
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Haven't watched that lad before.. does he not feel like a bit of a tool getting his mate to film him running in busy London :pac:
But yes, he is not wrong about process
It's his partner, she has her own channel. Yeah, I don't know how people do vlogging in public without 'state of ya' comments coming back. :pac: Maybe that's why I've never seen it happening here, even though plenty of tourists post Irish videos. :pac:Moderator: Television, Psychology and Dublin County North.
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I'd headed to UCD to use the trails but had to change my plan after some a$$hole ignored my polite request that he put his very boundy dog on a lead.
I hear ya! It's got to the stage now where I don't even ask, I just avoid, because it gets me so wound up it's not worth it. I've heard it all : 'He's just a puppy' (he's the size of Digby!), 'He's just playing' (he's slobbering over my leggings?) etc. There's a lot of new owners out there at the minute who don't have a clue
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Bungy Girl wrote: »I hear ya! It's got to the stage now where I don't even ask, I just avoid, because it gets me so wound up it's not worth it. I've heard it all : 'He's just a puppy' (he's the size of Digby!), 'He's just playing' (he's slobbering over my leggings?) etc. There's a lot of new owners out there at the minute who don't have a clueThere are so many more dogs in the last 10 months or whatever its been. Most owners are grand and do use leads or get the dog onto one very quickly when I ask, but there's always the odd inconsiderate dope around sadly. They just don't comprehend that not everyone is OK with four legged creatures. Someday I'll tackle the problem from my side..
I regularly stop mid run to talk to and/or snuggle dogs (don't bother with the human owners though). I totally understand they are not everyone's thing though and there are some idiots out there for sure. I really really wish they'd ban those dangerous retractable leads!! 0 -
Going to add back in some faster stuff this week now, probably with a mind to starting some 10k stuff next week..?
Or just go straight into it
I'd been looking at the Daniels 10k plan and thought I'd ease into the first week, not necessarily do the full sessions or whatever but I ended up doing them all because 1. I felt good and 2. I was enjoying them once I got started. I don't even know if I'll try a 10k TT at some point but I'm not too fussed to be honest.
Mon 11th Jan
Easy running and 10 x 20 sec strides. HRM was on for all runs this week, tried to keep it properly lower for this one, avg 133. 5 miles total, avg pace 10.01/m.
Tues 12th
45 mins S&C.
First session of the week after work. It was 2 sets of 8 x 200 (800m between sets), but I was going to let myself just do one if I wasn't feeling up to it. But I really really enjoy 200s I have to say.
2 mile warmup and drills, then into set 1 (I did ease in with the 1st two having not done anything 'fast' since mid Dec):
54, 53, 46, 47, 47, 47, 47, 47 (recoveries also 200 and I walked for 100m and then jogged 100m)
800m recovery jog before Set 2:
46, 50, 48, 47, 48, 50, 44, 46. Seemed to take my foot off the pedal on a couple but woke myself up for the last two.
Only did about 1km cool down for 7 miles total.
Weds 13th
Easy miles with some strides again. Legs felt heavy at first as expected but loosened up nicely. 5.4 miles @ 9.58/m avg, HR 139.
Thurs 14th
Easy miles and attempted the January Challenge. I ran a route that seemed to take me between 58 mins and 1 hour on the other occasions I've ran it, so I just tried to channel how I ran it on those days but obviously ran slower - 1.01! Will try again this week for sure. 6.3 miles @ 9.41/m, HR 145.
Fri 15th
40 mins S&C.
Another session and one that had me both intrigued and scared.
WU, 4 x 200 (off 200), 2 x 1 mile @ threshold (1 min rest), 4 x 200, CD
So first things first, I had figured out 'threshold' to be 7.30 range for me, and I extended the rest to 2 mins I ran over to UCD (2 mile WU) to run this, mostly for the mile loop I run a fair bit over there (although slightly altered on the dark evenings). The 1st set of 200s were on a slight slope with rep 1 and 3 on the downward direction, and 2 and 4 on the upward way.
48, 50, 47, 47 (same approach with recoveries as Tuesday)
I was nervous of the 1 mile reps by now, and as I suspected I might do, I ran started out too hard :rolleyes:
7.26 for the first one after I eased myself up a little. Stood around dreading the 2nd one for 2 minutes and then ran it ALL too hard! 7.11. It felt brutal so I just wanted it over with, but maybe I wouldn't have felt like that if I was actually running at the pace I wanted... vicious cycle.
Felt tired enough but said I'd at least try a couple of 200s again - they went great! Suppose I was well warmed up?! I did walk the full 200m recoveries though so presume that helped a lot.
42, 41, 42, 41.
1 mile cool down for 7 miles total.
Sat 16th
Legs felt very heavy for this easy run, understandable after Friday evening's session. 4.1 miles @ 9.51/m, HR 143. Legs loosened out well again though.
Sun 17th
Another lazy Sunday morning before heading out at lunchtime. Daniels has the LR at 25% of the full week's mileage so just over 8 miles was plenty. Picked a route thats uphill for the first 3 miles and kept an eye on HR, fairly slow as a result (which is fine) and then enjoyed the downhill return (minus bloody Mount Merrion). Enjoyed myself a lot. 8.4 miles @ 9.38/m avg, HR 144 (though it did creep into 150s a few times on hills).
Total miles: 43.4. Highest in a long time and fingers crossed will become the norm most weeks!
If anyone has watched Team Ingebrigsten, the 2 episodes of the latest season are up on YouTube with dodgy subtitles Was interesting to see how they tried to cope with the pandemic. The sister looks like she is going to be great too. AND I finally picked up Born to Run from my bookshelf, so good. Don't know if I'm tempted to run barefoot just yet though :P 0 -
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