Harvey Weinstein and #MeToo/sexual misconduct scandals

BorneTobyWilde

So all this is old news to the women of Hollywood, they all sat back and let him sexually harass any new comers that crossed his path.
That's pretty low if you ask me.

Fysh

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

So all this is old news to the women of Hollywood, they all sat back and let him sexually harass any new comers that crossed his path.
That's pretty low if you ask me.

....It's the women's fault they didn't stop the physically imposing and very influential seemingly sociopathic male from repeatedly sexually assaulting vulnerable people?

Did you read the repeated mentions from victims about his repeated use of either threatened or actual career-destruction plus lawyering up? Or the mention of all the NDAs that accompanied previous settlements?

If Hollywood is like the rest of the entertainment industry (or, arguably, the rest of the world in general) then the women there are in general less influential and powerful by default than any man considered to have a broadly eauivalent (or even lesser) role or level of influence. So why is it the women's fault, and not the men's fault?

There's a lot of similarities between the Weinstein case and Jimmy Saville in the UK. It seemed to have been a known secret by people in Hollywood. Same way it was supposedly a known secret in the BBC.

This Have I Got News For You clip seems incredibly timely now

brevity

Even Louis Theroux got duped by Saville and people would have considered him fairly savvy.

johnny_ultimate

Fysh wrote: »

....It's the women's fault they didn't stop the physically imposing and very influential seemingly sociopathic male from repeatedly sexually assaulting vulnerable people?

It never ceases to amaze that people try and blame women for things like this.

HandsomeBob

Louis did find Jimmy to be a very strange individual even if he never could have guessed what he was up to. Stuff like keeping alcohol in his gaff even though he didn't drink. I also remember watching CBB when Saville was on it and found him to be a bizarre bloke.

With Weinstein though you always got the impression he was revered around Hollywood by both men and women without a hint of anything deeper going on. That's why I found it to so surprising that he turned out to be an oul creep.

Ipso

HandsomeBob wrote: »

Louis did find Jimmy to be a very strange individual even if he never could have guessed what he was up to. Stuff like keeping alcohol in his gaff even though he didn't drink. I also remember watching CBB when Saville was on it and found him to be a bizarre bloke.

With Weinstein though you always got the impression he was revered around Hollywood by both men and women without a hint of anything deeper going on. That's why I found it to so surprising that he turned out to be an oul creep.

I thought he was perceived to be a bully back in the day, supposedly how he bought the rights to films and buried them, forced edits etc

Sad Professor

Cara Delevingne has come out as well.

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/918163984309784576

And here's an interesting clip of Paltrow talking about Weinstein (in a Weinstein-arranged interview no less) on Letterman in 1998.

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johnny_ultimate wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze that people try and blame women for things like this.

Is there no blame for the women who didnt speak out to help stop him getting access to the next young victim to end up on the predators radar?

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A lot of big heads are going to roll over the next year or so. This is really just the beginning.

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Is there no blame for the women who didnt speak out to help stop him getting access to the next young victim to end up on the predators radar?

Not that simple. Weinstein probably had enough power to destroy these people's lives. Plus it'd be just their word against one of the biggest names in the industry. Also you're assuming that nobody came forward. We don't know that. It'll likely become apparent that many did, but were push them aside.

It's the exact same as Saville and his hundreds of victims. Many came forward with complaints. All were rubbished. It took him dying for everything to come out.

4068ac1elhodqr

Tony EH wrote: »

Nice try in an effort to turn this into a Clinton bashing thread, but no dice. Clinton and the Dems made have been on the recieving end of donations from Weinstein, but there is zero evidence or reason to believe that she'd know anything about a man in a business that she dosen't operate in herself.

Nice try to disassociate a major donor and fundraiser for HC over 17yrs of her political life, not to mention private Hollywood fundraising events and social parties, one in June 2016 directly raised $1.8m to support her POTUS attempt.



Weinstein had 'indisputably ingratiated himself into the highest levels of Democratic power' according to many.

Obama also rubbed shoulders with the Sloth creature, when he visited the WhiteHouse in 2013. Michelle described him as a "wonderful human being, a good friend and just a powerhouse."

Again it seems the Clintons have been associating with some bad apples, and all with a similar theme I.e. Epstein, Weiner, Weinstein...

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Deleted User wrote: »

A lot of big heads are going to roll over the next year or so. This is really just the beginning.



Not that simple. Weinstein probably had enough power to destroy these people's lives. Plus it'd be just their word against one of the biggest names in the industry. Also you're assuming that nobody came forward. We don't know that. It'll likely become apparent that many did, but were push them aside.

It's the exact same as Saville and his hundreds of victims. Many came forward with complaints. All were rubbished. It took him dying for everything to come out.

Well I blame those who stayed silent, be it man or woman. They enabled the abuse when they could have helped stop it. I dont care what you think will happen to your career. If you knew and didnt move to stop it happening to the next person you are totally not blameless.

Dr Brown

You could tell Weinstein was a pervert just by looking at him:pac:

Dr Brown

Dr Brown wrote: »

You could tell Weinstein was a pervert just by looking at him:pac:

Again, referring back to that Have I Got News For You clip - he was hiding in plain sight.

Eugene Orange Guppy

Eugene Orange Guppy wrote: »

Nice try to disassociate a major donor and fundraiser for HC over 17yrs of her political life, not to mention private Hollywood fundraising events and social parties, one in June 2016 directly raised $1.8m to support her POTUS attempt.



Weinstein had 'indisputably ingratiated himself into the highest levels of Democratic power' according to many.

Obama also rubbed shoulders with the Sloth creature, when he visited the WhiteHouse in 2013. Michelle described him as a "wonderful human being, a good friend and just a powerhouse."

Again it seems the Clintons have been associating with some bad apples, and all with a similar theme I.e. Epstein, Weiner, Weinstein...

Since you mentioned Clinton --

Dr Brown

There is something very weird when you have pig ugly old men hanging around with young attractive women.

Yea, I never knew what he looked like before. He's an exceedingly ugly man.

Tony EH

Eugene Orange Guppy wrote: »

Nice try to disassociate a major donor and fundraiser for HC over 17yrs of her political life,

Go away. Nobody's feeding you.

Tony EH

Dr Brown wrote: »

There is something very weird when you have pig ugly old men hanging around with young attractive women.

Money can get you a lot of things.

Agent Coulson

Ben Affleck Apologizes For Grope Of Hilarie Burton In 2003

https://twitter.com/BenAffleck/status/918166049501208576

http://deadline.com/2017/10/ben-affleck-hilarie-burton-grope-apology-1202186309/

https://twitter.com/HilarieBurton/status/917898877663096832

well at the least he got his comeuppance. he has the live out the rest of his life as a pariah. He could maybe even end up in jail. What a fall from the position he was in.
no doubt other people will come out about other such scumbags in Hollywood. Doesn't forgive the complete hypocrisy of the industry at all but I'm sure that it will change things in the long run.

4068ac1elhodqr

Tony EH wrote: »

Go away. Nobody's feeding you.

Sorry was just stating what appears to be a developing ugly theme/association (Epstein, Weiner, Weinstein).

Ok, lets talk about fluffy bunnies and rainbows instead, here's a very nice picture of a unicorn:

Sad Professor

Mod note: everyone please watch the standard of posting. This isn't AH. This also isn't Politics. Take the Hilary/Trump talk elsewhere. Thanks

Tony EH

Deleted User wrote: »

There's a lot of similarities between the Weinstein case and Jimmy Saville in the UK. It seemed to have been a known secret by people in Hollywood. Same way it was supposedly a known secret in the BBC.

It was largely rumour and allegation involved in both cases. Can't say I was surprised at either case when they eventually came to light.

The problem is that if you went around believing every rumour and allegation about somebody in entertaiment business, everyone would be getting "outed" as some sort of monster.

The key thing is people coming forward and a atmosphere of being able to come forward and a lot of people just can't, won't, or feel they just won't be believed. But, without that, these sociopaths can repeatedly get away with treating people they see as beneath them/targets in the way they do.

"Open secrets", rumours and allegations are just that, until some proof can be aquired, or at least people come forward. Without the proof, they simply remain open secrets, rumours and allegation.

Saville always creeped me out, so when the stories about him came out, the cap fit. But, remember he's not around to argue his case, or face the case against him, so we'll probably never really know what he got up to.

Weinstein hasn't said anything on his behalf, so, more than likely many of the allegations against him are true. Plus, to me, he's always fit the cliche of the Hollywood movie mogul and everything that goes along with that. So, again, the cap fit.

HandsomeBob

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Ben Affleck Apologizes For Grope Of Hilarie Burton In 2003

https://twitter.com/BenAffleck/status/918166049501208576

http://deadline.com/2017/10/ben-affleck-hilarie-burton-grope-apology-1202186309/

https://twitter.com/HilarieBurton/status/917898877663096832

Fair play to him, better to apologise and be done with it than let anyone run with it and make a mountain of.

With the Ben Affleck tweets, which came first? The women or his?

Agent Coulson

Deleted User wrote: »

With the Ben Affleck tweets, which came first? The women or his?

Hilarie Burton's reply to that girls tweet was yesterday Affleck's apology came a few hours ago.

Pelvis

HandsomeBob wrote: »

Fair play to him, better to apologise and be done with it than let anyone run with it and make a mountain of.

Ah stop, he had to apologise. Had he apologised straight after it happened then maybe it's gone him a pat on the back.

Sad Professor

And now Léa Seydoux.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/11/harvey-weinstein-lea-seydoux?

HandsomeBob

Pelvis wrote: »

Ah stop, he had to apologise. Had he apologised straight after it happened then maybe it's gone him a pat on the back.

Yeah, should of. Didn't though. At least he had the decency to do it now and without spoofing about addiction issues or whatever.

Pelvis

HandsomeBob wrote: »

Yeah, should of. Didn't though. At least he had the decency to do it now and without spoofing about addiction issues or whatever.

It's not decency, it's mitigation.

Tigger

i'm fascinated to see how many more films GP made with mirmax after he was inappropriate with her in 94.
he directed her oscar performance afaik

Agent Coulson

I wonder will we get a statement from Disney as Miramax was under their umbrella for the guts of 20 years.

Sad Professor

Tigger wrote: »

i'm fascinated to see how many more films GP made with mirmax after he was inappropriate with her in 94.
he directed her oscar performance afaik

Weinstein is a very powerful indie producer and studio head, not a director. With the death of mid-budget movies, choosing not to work with him would probably mean choosing to work very little if at all. Not everyone was getting leading roles in blockbusters like Angelina.

Agent Coulson

https://twitter.com/SethMacFarlane/status/918193451006431232


He is now being attacked on twitter for doing nothing.

server down

What did Seth say at the oscars?

Tigger

Sad Professor wrote: »

Weinstein is a very powerful indie producer and studio head, not a director. With the death of mid-budget movies, choosing not to work with him would probably mean choosing to work very little if at all. Not everyone was getting leading roles in blockbusters like Angelina.

ok but look at the video a couole of pages back
GP said she was upset by his behaviour in 94 yet she kept making movies with him
so was she sleeping with him which its always been suggested that starlets did to get their paydays or was she turning him down but getting the jobs anyway in which case isnt it simply a case of him chancing his arm
the three alleged rape cases are totally different.

i like Trumps statement that hes met HW and hes not surprised

server down

server down wrote: »

What did Seth say at the oscars?

Right after the Oscar nominations, he said how the nominated women no longer have to pretend to be attracted to Harvey Weinstein.

The Black Oil

Will the studios respond to this at some level? Perhaps not about the man himself, but they surely must make a commitment to ensure their workplaces are safe, that they have good reporting protocols.

JP Liz V1

How many companies was Weinstein involved with, I only thought Miramax and Weinstein Company?

Sad Professor

The Black Oil wrote: »

Will the studios respond to this at some level? Perhaps not about the man himself, but they surely must make a commitment to ensure their workplaces are safe, that they have good reporting protocols.

Bah, who needs unions and workplace protections when you can have lynch mobs instead. And the best thing about them is that they eventually turn on each other.

pinkypinky

I don't think it's fair to say why did Gwyneth keep working with him and maybe she was sleeping with him. We have no idea of the ins and outs. She may not have been in a position to turn down work. We don't know how involved he was in these particular films. And most importantly, working with him after the fact DOES NOT EXCUSE HIS PRIOR BEHAVIOUR.

redshoes15

Re. the Affleck thing. I was standing at a bus stop when I was about 12years old. A man I had never met walked over to me and grabbed my vagina. He was with a group of friends, all pissed, I reckon from memory they were mid to late 30’s. A lady from up my street roared at him, he laughed, as did his scumbag friends. That kinda sh1t really stays with you. I wasn’t on national tv, the scumbag wasn’t Ben Afflick. If that man approached me now and apologised I’d stab him in the face.
Weinstein is a lowlife scumbag. There will be dozens of rich, famous Hollywood royalty crapping themselves after this. Weinstein is the first of many I’d imagine. About bloody time too!

philstar

it'll make a great movie

John Goodman to play Wienstein .....and Wienstein to produce it

JP Liz V1

philstar wrote: »

it'll make a great movie

John Goodman to play Wienstein .....and Wienstein to produce it

John C. Reilly as Weinstein with Weinstein producing

Apparently Weinstein has left US on a private plane for treatment in Europe

Kamu

I'd be curious to see if this will open the floodgates and more and more people who are/were in a position of power will have allegations made against them,
or if Weinstein will be used as a scapegoat, as other posters speculated, and the other people who committed similar crimes, which must be numerous, will fade away.

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Tigger wrote: »

i'm fascinated to see how many more films GP made with mirmax after he was inappropriate with her in 94.
he directed her oscar performance afaik

What's GP?

Chester Copperpot

Ipso wrote: »

I thought he was perceived to be a bully back in the day, supposedly how he bought the rights to films and buried them, forced edits etc

The snowpiercer saga is a good example of that. Must have driven the director to distraction

The Black Oil

Sad Professor wrote: »

Bah, who needs unions and workplace protections when you can have lynch mobs instead. And the best thing about them is that they eventually turn on each other.

Am thinking more along the lines of studios reviewing all scripts not yet in production that have women being raped as the default storyline, and maybe pulling back on that, due to potential overuse.

philstar

philstar wrote: »

it'll make a great movie

John Goodman to play Wienstein .....and Wienstein to produce it

Billy Cosby and Harvey Weinstein are going to do a road movie

"Fiddle her on the roofies"