Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

jonon9

tara73 wrote: »

yeah, guys, that's exactly what you do, showing your 'intelligence' here, thanks for that:P

instead of reacting to the fact of male serial killers in an adult way, you need to ridicule. sorry to say, but you so blatantly reveal your immature, 10 year old schoolboy mind, it's almost baffling.

and not a single explanation why this are all men, raping and killing women.

and to make it clear, I never said 100% of all men are serial killers, you just made this up to find a way to ridicule and deflect from the fact that if there's a serial killer, it's to 96 % a man!

Will you speak up I cant hear you from your mighty high horse you have.

They are plenty stories of women doing crazy **** and getting away with it

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/medical-student-too-bright-for-prison-is-spared-jail-for-stabbing-boyfriend-with-bread-knife-36166924.html

Whats ironic is you seem to crave for the 'power' men have, the 'power' that you say suppresses women for years and you want to use that 'power' against males. It just seems very hypocritical doesn't it .

Look if you have experienced something awful in your life or you just listened to too many Taylor Swift albums where not here to judge but maybe talking to someone will help because you obviously have a personal vendetta and by the sounds of it its beginning to chew you up inside.

To be honest the way your portraying yourself and your views you sound no different to any power hungry man or woman

RocketRaccoon

seamus wrote: »

Because men are 3 times more likely to have anti-social personality disorder (psychopathy) than women, and it's more likely to manifest itself as direct physical violence in men. Whereas in women it's more likely to manifest as social violence - manipulation of others, "histrionics", bullying, etc.

I'm not sure what your point is supposed to be though. These people are mentally ill. People don't become serial killers because they were brought up badly.

No no no, you've misunderstood. They/We become serial killers because we have penises, no other reason.

Which begs another question, what about transgender or gender fluid folk? Where do they stand in all this raping and murdering craic? More or less likely to be involved?

Outlaw Pete

For anyone with sons, Tara and her friends are currently enrolling for classes on how to raise your sons to have a more feminist mindset.... oh goody.

RocketRaccoon

tara73 wrote: »

hahaha, again a proof of the sick and so primitive view of a men about a woman with their own views, opinion and experiences who's not holding back with it. automatically insinuating I'm a monster mother. that's just textbook attitude from the 1950's again. It tells you don't understand anything at all and have no insight at all.

I tell you something what you most probably won't be able to imagine in your small minded world from the 50s' but I tell it to you nevertheless: There are many intelligent women around you and all over the world who fight for their rights and real equality, but that doesn't mean that we mistreat our sons. What an utter nonsense to think. Thing is, we make no big deal if it's a son or a daughter, I treat them equally. Get it?

puuh, knew it, all the bollockism comes out now, but that's good also, proves my points.

If, superman forbid. You ever have a son or already do, will you tell him he's most likely going to rape and/or murder someone?

DavidLyons_

Thread seems to have been derailed by a very bitter, twisted and detached from reality person.

Agree with the posters above when they point out that it's good that tara73's mask has slipped. Helps to put the hate speech she's spewing into context.

One of my daughters is now attending UCD and she tells me that you'll often encounter that sort of unpleasant, rabid person on campus. Thankfully most people would cross the street before having to listen to their drivel.

It is quite scary that they now feel it's safe to crawl from under their rocks and bombard us with their bile but at least now we can see them for what they really are.

Wibbs

Candie wrote: »

Something Tara should try to bear in mind for the sake of her own happiness, if not balance.

Like I said earlier C it's a very common trait in people that they would rather have their worldview proven right than be happy. This goes for all sorts of worldviews. Just as a religious person who believes in a loving deity only sees the good in the world and attributes it to their god, they self select. Same when it comes to this gender stuff. On both sides. People vary a lot and are both good and bad. If you come to believe that gender A are evil bastards(because of early life/relationship experience) you will positively select for evil bastards within gender A, even be more subconsciously attracted to them and turned off by non evil bastards.

This is extremely common. Any man you meet that thinks all women are evil bitches or any woman you meet that thinks all men are evil bastards and can point to their own library of personal examples is doing this. The consistent factor is them and their worldview and positive selection of that worldview.

suicide_circus

tara73 wrote: »

hahaha, again a proof of the sick and so primitive view of a men about a woman with their own views, opinion and experiences who's not holding back with it. automatically insinuating I'm a monster mother. that's just textbook attitude from the 1950's again. It tells you don't understand anything at all and have no insight at all.

I tell you something what you most probably won't be able to imagine in your small minded world from the 50s' but I tell it to you nevertheless: There are many intelligent women around you and all over the world who fight for their rights and real equality, but that doesn't mean that we mistreat our sons. What an utter nonsense to think. Thing is, we make no big deal if it's a son or a daughter, I treat them equally. Get it?

puuh, knew it, all the bollockism comes out now, but that's good also, proves my points.

Sorry you'll have to speak up, I can't hear you down their under the glass ceiling.

cantdecide

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

To quote Camille again (given she addressed this very question in one of her books):

That quote reminds me of describing the bell curve of male intelligence between further from the mean as "more dumbbells, more Nobels".

This is brilliant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-hIVnmUdXM

Wibbs

seamus wrote: »

I'm not sure what your point is supposed to be though.

Women are always victims and men are always to blame. Did you not get the memo S?

tara73 wrote: »

hahaha, again a proof of the sick and so primitive view of a men about a woman with their own views, opinion and experiences who's not holding back with it.

On top of your seeming ignorance of context and irony, we can now add "proof".

You seem to have this(irony again BTW) notion that just because you have xx chromosomes that your views and opinions are sacrosanct and should be listened to without debate.

I tell you something what you most probably won't be able to imagine in your small minded world from the 50s' but I tell it to you nevertheless:

The 50's again eh? Well considering you seem to think the word hysterical comes from the 70's...

There are many intelligent women around you and all over the world who fight for their rights and real equality, but that doesn't mean that we mistreat our sons. What an utter nonsense to think. Thing is, we make no big deal if it's a son or a daughter, I treat them equally. Get it?

Oh I get what you type, but you also typed that men are afraid of women's superiority and men are far more likely to be rapists and killers outside of "civil society", but seem to completely lack the self examination of such views and how they might impact on how you deal with men and women differently, including family members. Here's another word to add to the pile; insight.

puuh, knew it, all the bollockism comes out now,

Oh that it does.

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

For anyone with sons, Tara and her friends are currently enrolling for classes on how to raise your sons to have a more feminist mindset.... oh goody.

Asking modern "feminists" to raise men is akin to asking the pope for advice on contraception. Advice you will get, but it'll be political in nature and mostly sh1te.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

tara73 wrote: »

hahaha, again a proof of the sick and so primitive view of a men about a woman with their own views, opinion and experiences who's not holding back with it. automatically insinuating I'm a monster mother. that's just textbook attitude from the 1950's again. It tells you don't understand anything at all and have no insight at all.

I feel exactly the same about that post.

I swear to God if that makes me some kind of handmaiden of the patriarchy then we're seriously through the looking glass. I don't know what I've been doing on boards for the last ten years anyway :pac:

blinding

JupiterKid wrote: »

I have to say, I like an awful lot of what Camille Paglia opines on. She speaks the voice of common sense, and calls out misandrist rabid men-belittling "feminism" when she sees it.

Men and women should be equals and work together for a better world, not be locked into a vicious cycle of gender wars that ultimately benefit no-one.

The hyper- feminists see this as a win win for them . Perhaps something to do with hetro-sexual intercourse itself...yaday yada yada

cantdecide

seamus wrote: »

Whereas in women it's more likely to manifest as social violence - manipulation of others, "histrionics", bullying, etc.

I'm currently unemployed having been bullied out of a trainee job by my female "mentor". I happened to be the first man to have been given this role ever. This lady stayed on until *9.30pm on the Friday evening before I was let go to forge the training documents she should have been going through with me all summer.

All of the above traits describe what I faced all summer and I can tell you, you'd never suspect this little doe-eyed lady for a second.

The only satisfaction was getting to tell the HR people on my dismissal that 'my last job was as a QC trainer. I was hired as a trainee and I was no more than half trained in any task I was given responsibility for and my frequent requests for assistance were ignored all summer'. I knew it had an impact, not that it's much consolation to me now.

*[I arrived at 10.30 after college after forgetting something and security told me she was not long gone - there was half a ream of retrospectively dated documents for me to sign.]

tara73

tara73 wrote: »

hahaha, again a proof of the sick and so primitive view of a men about a woman with their own views, opinion and experiences who's not holding back with it. automatically insinuating I'm a monster mother. that's just textbook attitude from the 1950's again. It tells you don't understand anything at all and have no insight at all.

I tell you something what you most probably won't be able to imagine in your small minded world from the 50s' but I tell it to you nevertheless: There are many intelligent women around you and all over the world who fight for their rights and real equality, but that doesn't mean that we mistreat our sons. What an utter nonsense to think. Thing is, we make no big deal if it's a son or a daughter, I treat them equally. Get it?

puuh, knew it, all the bollockism comes out now, but that's good also, proves my points.

You're preaching hate. You're no better than a white supremacist teaching their child to hate another race. That's why I hope you don't have a son.

Shurimgreat

I think Kevin Myers would be having a field day if he was still writing given the background of all the accused in Hollywood at the moment. All of them seem to come from the same background and many if not all were friends with each other. Is there a sexual abuse ring in Hollywood similar to the one in places like Rochdale in England?

Ken.

Mod-Tara73 do not post in this thread again. Reason-Trolling(I hope)

Shurimgreat

Another complaint about Dustin Hoffman's behaviour. Coming across as a bit of a sleazeball now if nothing else, using his position to try to score with women.

suicide_circus

Shurimgreat wrote: »

using his position to try to score with women.

What???! An unheard of practice!

Un1corn

The way things are going I am starting to think I am a rapist for simply wanting to have sex with women.

cantdecide

Un1corn wrote: »

The way things are going I am starting to think I am a rapist for simply wanting to have sex with women.

You should talk to your priest or your doctor.

The Nal

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Another complaint about Dustin Hoffman's behaviour. Coming across as a bit of a sleazeball now if nothing else, using his position to try to score with women.

So he might have tried to score some woman over 25 years ago. Didn't touch her, didn't use bad language.

What a monster!

Odhinn

The Nal wrote: »

So he might have tried to score some woman over 25 years ago. Didn't touch her, didn't use bad language.

What a monster!

Other than the setting, it's hard to see what the complaint is about at this stage.

Shurimgreat

The Nal wrote: »

So he might have tried to score some woman over 25 years ago. Didn't touch her, didn't use bad language.

What a monster!

I suppose it was the directness of his approach that stands out.

Pretense of an interest in her project, but once they meet up, cuts to the chase and really is only interested in sex. Not illegal, bit of a grey area, but he's rightly been called out as someone bordering on if not actually a predator. There was no asking her for a date, dinner, etc. It was a case of lets go to my hotel.

As we have learned so far, its unlikely to be an isolated incident. I'd expect floodgates to open and more women to come forward.

RocketRaccoon

Odhinn wrote: »

Other than the setting, it's hard to see what the complaint is about at this stage.

Attention.

Mr.Wemmick

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I suppose it was the directness of his approach that stands out.

Pretense of an interest in her project, but once they meet up, cuts to the chase and really is only interested in sex. Not illegal, bit of a grey area, but he's rightly been called out as someone bordering on if not actually a predator. There was no asking her for a date, dinner, etc. It was a case of lets go to my hotel.

As we have learned so far, its unlikely to be an isolated incident. I'd expect floodgates to open and more women to come forward.

Absolutely! You're there as a professional to discuss work, this is your job, your art, your career and someone in the industry you admire greatly, Hoffman, is interested in your work, wow!.. you meet only to find he immediately starts talking to you about sex. WTF?

These guys are bright, totally clued in and know full well what they're at.. to embarrass and humiliate someone with such casual ease and cruelty is a disgrace.

Lougarden

I don't get Camille Paglia's quote, there was a female Mozart, his sister Maria Anna. She was meant to be on par and at times better and she also composed. She wasn't allowed to continue to perform like Wolfgang when she got to the age of marriage because that was how society was at the time. Anyway, I saw the thread got derailed so don't want to do that but that just struck a chord with me on those quotes.

The number of allegations is unreal at the moment and no doubt more to come. I feel really sorry for all of the innocent men in that environment though and hope that none are wrongly accused. It must create an unnecessarily uncomfortable awkwardness in the atmosphere with a sense of walking on eggshells. It could diminish genuine friendly interaction. There will most likely be wrong allegations too that will deflect from the genuine cases of abuse.

pjohnson

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Tara - I genuinely hope you don't have a son. And I hope you never have one. Because I can only imagine how f*cking awful it would be for that child if you bring him up with the attitude you have now. It's like you'd make him feel bad for being the gender that he is.

He'll be identified as a girl anyways.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Mr.Wemmick wrote: »

Absolutely! You're there as a professional to discuss work, this is your job, your art, your career and someone in the industry you admire greatly, Hoffman, is interested in your work, wow!.. you meet only to find he immediately starts talking to you about sex. WTF?

These guys are bright, totally clued in and know full well what they're at.. to embarrass and humiliate someone with such casual ease and cruelty is a disgrace.

It's a massively disheartening thing to happen. You take at face value what you're told, that women are equal in the workplace, your hard work and talent will see you through, etc etc. And then bam, no actually, I just want to fcuk you. It's humiliating, it makes you feel like a naive idiot, and it puts your guard up around men even more. It's in everyone's interest to show that that's not acceptable behaviour.

retro:electro

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/entertainment-arts-41843955

Kevin Spacey is now taking time to seek treatment. Treatment for what, Kevin? I thought you didn't do anything?....

The_Kew_Tour

If any good is going come from this is that I think we will see many more exposed now. More Women and some men are coming forward which is a great thing and hopefully they will all be public shamed for what they did.

It's getting people talking and most seem want changes and action taken.

It won't change overnight and I'm sure some will still try get away with this sort of vile crap, but hopefully it will be much much easier for women to come forward now and not feel afraid to go to somebody to get help and advice and the guilty to be punished.

Mr.Wemmick

anna080 wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/entertainment-arts-41843955

Kevin Spacey is now taking time to seek treatment. Treatment for what, Kevin? I thought you didn't do anything?....

Great treatment and oodles of time to be got in prison, eh Kev?

And it will keep teenagers and young men safe while you're busy in there.