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N2 - Clontibret to NI Border [preferred route published; ABP in 2022]

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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,626 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    It's great to see any msjor road project moving ahead in these times of interminable delays to schemes, but given the uncertainty over the A5 project and the urgent need for the M20 between Cork and Limerick and the N4 between Mullingar and Longford, I do find the fast tracking of this particular scheme rather odd in terms of prioritisation.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    It's great to see any msjor road project moving ahead in these times of interminable delays to schemes, but given the uncertainty over the A5 project and the urgent need for the M20 between Cork and Limerick and the N4 between Mullingar and Longford, I do find the fast tracking of this particular scheme rather odd in terms of prioritisation.
    M20 is being prioritised ahead of both those two, which are currently receiving equal prioritisation (M20 first, N2 and N4 are on the same foot at present).


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,974 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    I would be another that would question the prioritisation of this scheme. 2+2 is overblown for this route beyond Castleblayney and there may be a hard(er) border north of Monaghan in future. Practically anywhere in the country is a higher priority than this!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,640 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    spacetweek wrote: »
    I would be another that would question the prioritisation of this scheme. 2+2 is overblown for this route beyond Castleblayney and there may be a hard(er) border north of Monaghan in future. Practically anywhere in the country is a higher priority than this!

    i was on it Monday night and there was a huge amount of HGV traffic. when you consider the amount money the government wastes on other things i have no problem in money being spent on over specking a road if it means saving a few people from dying


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Lets clear this up for once and for all.

    For the National Development Plan, TII examined all of the national primary network that at the time did not have active improvement schemes proposed. From this, 22 projects were chosen to be progressed through Phases 1-4 of the process. These projects were picked based on the following criteria

    * Connecting cities and urban areas of scale: this applies more so to other project such as the N24 however this project ticks the box in that it connects Letterkenny to Dublin, two settlements with populations of greater than 10,000

    * Safety - head on collisions. Big red flag here. Four sections of the national road network were flagged for being particularly bad for head on collisions (N2 Ardee-Border, N4 Mullingar-Longford, N22 Ballyvourney-Cork and N20 Cork-Limerick). All bar Ballincollig-Macroom were included

    * Capacity - the section of this road in and around Monaghan Town will be at least 120% of capacity by 2030

    * TEN-T - the N2 north of Ardee is part of the TEN-T comprehensive network

    This scheme also ticked boxes in terms of accessing poorly served regions, completing missing links (there will be a missing link between the A5 at Aughanacloy and the M1 at Ardee/N33), improving employment accessibility and mitigating the effects of Brexit.

    Whilst the traffic volumes on the N2 north of Castleblayney are quite low, it still carries over 10% HGVs, and will link directly into a dual carriageway this country is funding that is being built in a different country. The only projects in the NDP that are not overcapacity are these 2 N2 schemes and the Carrick-on-Shannon bypass. It is Government policy to improve access to the North West hence why these are being prioritised.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 153 ✭✭kingofburt


    Thanks for that detailed explanation Marno, it is really interesting to read the stats and details on the road rather than depending on anecdotal evidence.

    I do the journey a few times a week from north Dublin to Derry/Letterkenny getting an average speed of between 70 to 80 kph, great to know that upgrades are in the pipeline.


  • Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭betistuc


    (* Connecting cities and urban areas of scale: this applies more so to other project such as the N24 however this project ticks the box in that it connects Letterkenny to Dublin, two settlements with populations of greater than 10,000)

    Marno means the N14 here folks!. The N24 connects Limerick and Waterford.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    betistuc wrote: »
    (* Connecting cities and urban areas of scale: this applies more so to other project such as the N24 however this project ticks the box in that it connects Letterkenny to Dublin, two settlements with populations of greater than 10,000)

    Marno means the N14 here folks!. The N24 connects Limerick and Waterford.
    No I meant the N24. The N24 would score higher for connecting large settlements as it connects two cities. However, the N2 still meets the criteria as it connects Letterkenny and Dublin, two settlements with populations larger than 10,000.


  • Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭betistuc


    Apologies Marno. You did indeed !


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    betistuc wrote: »
    Apologies Marno. You did indeed !
    :)


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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Some funding which had been set aside for the NI section has been removed to help pay for the hospital disaster

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/republic-of-ireland/dublin-shifts-27m-of-a5-cash-to-tackle-hospital-overspend-37811331.html


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    marno21 wrote: »
    Awarded to Tracsis. Presumably underway now.

    Should be a scheme website up soon with details on the initial public consultation and some information on what's planned for the route.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Public consultations happening this month on this 28km section of N2 between Clontibret and the A5 at the NI border.

    Jacobs are now working on a constraints study as part of Phase 1 of TII's Project Management Guidelines. Details are available on the scheme website

    Project website now live at www.n2monaghanlouth.ie

    An initial timeline has also been published

    2019 - constraints study
    2019 - route options development and publication
    2020 - route options appraisal and publication of emerging preferred route
    2020/2021 - confirmation of preferred route
    2021/2022 - completion of design appraisal and statutory documents followed by submission to ABP following Government approval


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Submissions after the public consultation have now closed (25th July). Route options to be published by year end as per above schedule.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,640 ✭✭✭roadmaster




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Emerging preferred route published

    https://dsgis.jacobs.com/apps/n2monaghanlouth/c2b/C2B-BROCHURE%20AND%20INSERT%20COMBINED.pdf

    Includes an online upgrade of the Clontibret bypass

    Scheme is planned to be a Type 2 Dual Carriageway (2+2)


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,974 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Glad to see they're being sensible and cutting the corner off at Monaghan town.
    I hope they build this part before the southern leg, this is needed more.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭BelfastVanMan


    I wonder will the N12 be extended down the existing Monaghan bypass to the roundabout at Glendale, house and if they will also extend the N54 to meet the new N2 at Castleshane?

    Or maybe the N12 will be truncated at where it meets the new N2.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    6th October 2020 - Public Consultation 3 update
    The Emerging Preferred Route Public Consultation is now complete and the project team would sincerely like to thank all those who contributed and participated in meetings (online, by phone or in person) with the project team. The information we have received will be of significant benefit to the conclusion of the current phase of the project and will help inform the next design phase also. The project team are still available to be contacted by phone or email, should you have any further queries.

    Hopefully see a preferred route early next year and then onto design & planning.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21




  • Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭sob1467


    A bit of topic but still relevant.

    Why have they decreased the speed limit on the new road that they built between Emyvale and Monaghan? The old road was winding and had a 100kph limit on it.

    The new road is straight and much better with the 80kph limit. To add insult to injury the speeding van sits on a few short km from the circle k and it must be like shooting fish in a barrell. That road should be 100kph all day long...


  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭BelfastVanMan


    sob1467 wrote: »
    A bit of topic but still relevant.

    Why have they decreased the speed limit on the new road that they built between Emyvale and Monaghan? The old road was winding and had a 100kph limit on it.

    The new road is straight and much better with the 80kph limit. To add insult to injury the speeding van sits on a few short km from the circle k and it must be like shooting fish in a barrell. That road should be 100kph all day long...

    It will make much more sense when they build the new offline N2, but in the meantime, this is a bit ridiculous, alright...


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Preferred route published: https://dsgis.jacobs.com/apps/n2monaghanlouth/c2b/feb2021/vol2/2a/7.%20C2b%20Preferred%20Route%20Corridor%20-%20Main%20Layout%20Plan.pdf

    Scheme will be a Type 2 dual carriageway/2+2.

    Engineering/environmental surveys/investigations: Now to Q3 2021
    Initial road design: Q2 - Q4 2021
    Consultation with landowners: Q4 2021/Q1 2022
    Finalise design/landtake/EIA and submission to ABP: Q2/Q3 2022


  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭Heartbreak Hank


    Would there be much work required to upgrade the Castleblayney 2+1 to 2+2? Probably very low priority though.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,974 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    marno21 wrote: »
    Preferred route published: https://dsgis.jacobs.com/apps/n2monaghanlouth/c2b/feb2021/vol2/2a/7.%20C2b%20Preferred%20Route%20Corridor%20-%20Main%20Layout%20Plan.pdf

    Scheme will be a Type 2 dual carriageway/2+2.

    Engineering/environmental surveys/investigations: Now to Q3 2021
    Initial road design: Q2 - Q4 2021
    Consultation with landowners: Q4 2021/Q1 2022
    Finalise design/landtake/EIA and submission to ABP: Q2/Q3 2022

    Nice ambitious timescale. Construction start in 2023 perhaps?


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21




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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    According to Eamon Ryan, this project will proceed to construction in 2028. https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2021-03-24a.12


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