Modern Day Slavery

Tigger · 12-09-2017 11:48pm

mikemac2 wrote: »

Why are they called Irish travellers when many lived their whole lives in the U.K. and have nothing to do with Ireland?

its ther etnic status
its stupid but its the same as roma gypsies

fryup · 13-09-2017 12:10am

is this a new phenomenon irish travellers moving over to the UK? do they have links with english gypsy's and the like ?

Ipso · 13-09-2017 12:21am

Well the Roma aren't necessarily Romanian, there are a few populations throughout Europe who seem to be descended from groups from Northern India.

Kermit.de.frog · 13-09-2017 12:38am

mikemac2 wrote: »

Why are they called Irish travellers when many lived their whole lives in the U.K. and have nothing to do with Ireland?

Unfortunately not only do we have to put up with their crap at home we also have to suffer the reputational damage abroad.

Any excuse for the Daily Mail, Telegraph etc and the Travellers provide it.

Tigger · 13-09-2017 12:40am

Ipso wrote: »

Well the Roma aren't necessarily Romanian, there are a few populations throughout Europe who seem to be descended from groups from Northern India.

Irish travellers aren't nessicarly Irish

Ipso · 13-09-2017 12:40am

Tigger wrote: »

its ther etnic status
its stupid but its the same as roma gypsies

So are they Irish or are they a different ethnic group? I thought people didn't like when they wanted different ethnicity.

Ipso · 13-09-2017 12:43am

Tigger wrote: »

Irish travellers aren't nessicarly Irish

I thought they were a sub population that split of from the main population about 500 years ago, and stayed more or less endogamous.

foxy farmer · 13-09-2017 1:29am

A little closer to home.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/scheme-for-fishing-crews-is-legitimising-slavery-1.2965818

markodaly · 13-09-2017 2:18am

RayM wrote: »

Their job is to help ensure that Travellers, as an ethnic minority in this country, aren't discriminated against. Therefore, it is only right and proper that they would acknowledge the inevitable fact that racists will use this crime as an excuse to attack all Travellers.

The following is interesting.

It is regrettable that the Traveller community at large will be blamed for these acts due to the identification of the family, in the media, as a Traveller family.

As we have stated in the past, cruelty and criminality is not something that is exclusive to any one ethnic group – but rather something that, regrettably, exists among all ethnic groups

First of all they use the term, regrettable. Why?

Is it regrettable that the media used the term in the first place, or the fact that these were a traveller family?
Why did they not say that it was regrettable that they were identified as an Irish family? Has any Irish interest group stated as much and if not why?

They clear imposition here is that they wish media outlets not identify future cases where crimes are committed by travellers to be censored.

Secondly, they acknowledge the true fact that no race, nationality or ethnic people are free from criminality, but refuse to even acknowledge the statistics from multiple sources as to the prevalence of crime among traveller communities.

Jesus Wept · 13-09-2017 3:20am

Rabble rabble. Posters turning up to bash travellers as usual.

Jim Bob Scratcher · 13-09-2017 4:04am

humberklog wrote: »

Wonder what the beauts in Paver Point make of this.

I wonder what John Connors makes of it.

ChikiChiki · 13-09-2017 4:12am

fryup wrote: »

is this a new phenomenon irish travellers moving over to the UK? do they have links with english gypsy's and the like ?

They are exporting their shenanigans across Europe and even as far as Australia and making huge money scamming people. Zero tax paid on profits and they're let away with it. You only have to look at the cars in Rathkeale at Christmas and it would sicken you.

Irish Guitarist · 13-09-2017 5:32am

padser · 13-09-2017 8:00am

ChikiChiki wrote: »

They are exporting their shenanigans across Europe and even as far as Australia and making huge money scamming people. Zero tax paid on profits and they're let away with it. You only have to look at the cars in Rathkeale at Christmas and it would sicken you.

To be fair, travellers not paying tax ranks pretty low on my list of concerns ;-)

end of the road · 13-09-2017 9:20am

ChikiChiki wrote: »

They are exporting their shenanigans across Europe and even as far as Australia and making huge money scamming people. Zero tax paid on profits and they're let away with it.

they are let away with it? i don't think so. granted every single 1 won't be caught but when they can be they are.

ChikiChiki wrote: »

You only have to look at the cars in Rathkeale at Christmas and it would sicken you.

if you suspect these have been gotten by illegal means, report it to the revenue who are obligated to do an investigation and who will investigate. you must have actual evidence though, jealousy because someone has a better car or more money then you won't quite work.

topper75 · 13-09-2017 9:54am

RayM wrote: »

They welcomed the fact that the perpetrators were brought to justice and offered their sympathy to the victims. They also acknowledged the regrettable fact that racist arseholes will inevitably use it as a stick to beat all Travellers with.

http://www.paveepoint.ie/no-to-exploitation-and-abuse/

Ah the traveller 'race'. I remember that well in my Inter cert biology:

Caucasoid
Negroid
Mongoloid
Travelleroid

Spider Web · 13-09-2017 9:58am

Jesus Wept wrote: »

Rabble rabble. Posters turning up to bash travellers as usual.

I just don't get this. Downplaying horrific abuse in order to let people know they're such plebs.

It was the same from others with the revelations of the sex abuse ring in Newcastle recently - much more concern with telling people they're bigots than with the actual abuse.

It's in such poor taste.

Boom_Bap · 13-09-2017 11:55am

MOD
Can you please discuss the topic at hand rather than making blanket statements about travelers. It adds nothing to the discussion and there have been too many threads shut down because of it in the past.

BattleCorp · 13-09-2017 12:11pm

RayM wrote: »

Their job is to help ensure that Travellers, as an ethnic minority in this country, aren't discriminated against. Therefore, it is only right and proper that they would acknowledge the inevitable fact that racists will use this crime as an excuse to attack all Travellers.

The practice of travellers having 'slaves' is not unique to the family in the OP's article.

Travellers don't call them slaves, they call them 'dossers'. Plenty of traveller families have dossers. I personally know one traveller that has a 'dosser'. Even though he is essentially a slave, he has been conditioned to accept this way of life. He has been rescued a few times but always ends up back with the traveller.

Red_Wake · 13-09-2017 12:17pm

I've got to get in on these traveller crime sprees, they sound profitable.

fryup · 13-09-2017 12:45pm

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

its a pity the truck driver didn't just drive off and let yer man hit the ground

Lux23 · 13-09-2017 12:48pm

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

Yeah, it's all the medias fault that travellers get a bad name. They shouldn't have mentioned that it was a traveller family and only reported half the story so as not to hurt their feelings.

How is the fact that they are travellers half the story? It's not even part of the story.

Jesus Wept · 13-09-2017 1:07pm

Spider Web wrote: »

I just don't get this. Downplaying horrific abuse in order to let people know they're such plebs.

It was the same from others with the revelations of the sex abuse ring in Newcastle recently - much more concern with telling people they're bigots than with the actual abuse.

It's in such poor taste.

Suggesting that I downplayed abuse is in very poor taste.

Spider Web · 13-09-2017 1:14pm

Lux23 wrote: »

How is the fact that they are travellers half the story? It's not even part of the story.

Not even part of the story. Ah seriously...

Jesus Wept wrote: »

Suggesting that I downplayed abuse is in very poor taste.

Well sidestepped it so.

Jesus Wept · 13-09-2017 4:00pm

Spider Web wrote: »

Well sidestepped it so.

Hardly. I wrote ten words. It doesn't cover all aspects of my view on the matter. I wasn't asked any questions.

The abuse is deplorable, it pretty much goes without saying.
The people flocking to the thread with glee to tar a group based on the actions of a few people who are attributed to said group is also deplorable. This however doesn't seem to go without saying.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 13-09-2017 4:22pm

Ipso wrote: »

So are they Irish or are they a different ethnic group? I thought people didn't like when they wanted different ethnicity.

Aren't the Irish a mish mash of a lot things anyway. I got DNA tested for the laugh and had 15% Iberian.

Instant explanation for my brown eyes, dark hair, sallow complexion.

The 'Black Irish', we are own ethnic group. :pac:

Ipso · 13-09-2017 4:44pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Aren't the Irish a mish mash of a lot things anyway. I got DNA tested for the laugh and had 15% Iberian.

Instant explanation for my brown eyes, dark hair, sallow complexion.

The 'Black Irish', we are own ethnic group. :pac:

The good old Irish American term for people who don't have red hair and freckles.

Junkyard Tom · 13-09-2017 5:18pm

Will that crowd of scumbags have their property seized?

Tigger · 13-09-2017 8:18pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

The practice of travellers having 'slaves' is not unique to the family in the OP's article.

Travellers don't call them slaves, they call them 'dossers'. Plenty of traveller families have dossers. I personally know one traveller that has a 'dosser'. Even though he is essentially a slave, he has been conditioned to accept this way of life. He has been rescued a few times but always ends up back with the traveller.

It's defiantly a thing
I've come accross a good few polish alcoholics that have ended up like this
Here is an extract from a books detailing the practice

https://books.google.ie/books?id=WCKt0jLk3qIC&pg=PA62&lpg=PA62&dq=dosser+traveller&source=bl&ots=RD_QFohhN-&sig=Jv32XjFqy01zamewF43IsxLy32Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiw9q7976LWAhVLKMAKHWAOD_IQ6AEIJTAA#v=onepage&q=dosser%20traveller&f=false

Vic_08 · 13-09-2017 9:06pm

Jesus Wept wrote: »

Hardly. I wrote ten words. It doesn't cover all aspects of my view on the matter. I wasn't asked any questions.

The abuse is deplorable, it pretty much goes without saying.
The people flocking to the thread with glee to tar a group based on the actions of a few people who are attributed to said group is also deplorable. This however doesn't seem to go without saying.

It isn't "the actions of a few", that is just not true. The practice of keeping people, usually men with severe learning disabilities or other vulnerable groups, as virtual slaves is not at all uncommon among Irish Travellers, both here and in the UK. They don't all do this but it is not an exceptional outlier as similar practices among the general population would be.

Even accepting that it is only a small % that do keep slaves, the entire extended family/clan of those doing it would be well aware that this is happening but they do nothing to stop it. How many settled people could you say that about? Would it really happen that any community on this island other than travellers would know about families in their midst keeping slaves and do nothing about it?

Sorry but your shtick that it is just more anti-traveller bias is crap. This group act in a way that if replicated by the population at large would turn our country into a fetid non-functioning chaotic cesspit with an economy even the likes of Mugabe would laugh at.

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