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Modern Day Slavery

markodaly

Did anyone see this case on the News?

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0912/904129-nottingham-slavery/

The head of a UK-based Irish Traveller family has been jailed for ten years at Nottingham Crown Court on charges relating to modern slavery and fraud.

Martin Rooney Senior was one of seven people sentenced earlier today.

Sentencing in the case of another four will resume this afternoon.

The members of the Rooney family were based on a number of Traveller sites in Lincolnshire.

In sentencing, Judge Timothy Spencer described one of those sites, Drinsey Nook, as a hub of wholesale exploitation of vulnerable men.

Many of those targeted were homeless or had learning difficulties or drug problems.

A total of 18 men were forced to work for the Rooney family, ranging in age from 18 to 63.

The judge said violence was a consistent theme in this case and that victims knew any resistance was futile and would be met by more violence.

Shocking case. I thought this stuff only existed in Africa or the Middle East.

Jail is too good for them. They should be made work in a chain gang for a few decades.

Fair play to the police for tackling this and setting these people free.

Do you think anything like this is being done here?

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Tigger

mikemac2 wrote: »

Why are they called Irish travellers when many lived their whole lives in the U.K. and have nothing to do with Ireland?

its ther etnic status
its stupid but its the same as roma gypsies

fryup

is this a new phenomenon irish travellers moving over to the UK? do they have links with english gypsy's and the like ?

Ipso

Well the Roma aren't necessarily Romanian, there are a few populations throughout Europe who seem to be descended from groups from Northern India.

Kermit.de.frog

mikemac2 wrote: »

Why are they called Irish travellers when many lived their whole lives in the U.K. and have nothing to do with Ireland?

Unfortunately not only do we have to put up with their crap at home we also have to suffer the reputational damage abroad.

Any excuse for the Daily Mail, Telegraph etc and the Travellers provide it.

Tigger

Ipso wrote: »

Well the Roma aren't necessarily Romanian, there are a few populations throughout Europe who seem to be descended from groups from Northern India.

Irish travellers aren't nessicarly Irish

Ipso

Tigger wrote: »

its ther etnic status
its stupid but its the same as roma gypsies

So are they Irish or are they a different ethnic group? I thought people didn't like when they wanted different ethnicity.

Ipso

Tigger wrote: »

Irish travellers aren't nessicarly Irish

I thought they were a sub population that split of from the main population about 500 years ago, and stayed more or less endogamous.

foxy farmer

A little closer to home.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/scheme-for-fishing-crews-is-legitimising-slavery-1.2965818

markodaly

RayM wrote: »

Their job is to help ensure that Travellers, as an ethnic minority in this country, aren't discriminated against. Therefore, it is only right and proper that they would acknowledge the inevitable fact that racists will use this crime as an excuse to attack all Travellers.

The following is interesting.

It is regrettable that the Traveller community at large will be blamed for these acts due to the identification of the family, in the media, as a Traveller family.

As we have stated in the past, cruelty and criminality is not something that is exclusive to any one ethnic group – but rather something that, regrettably, exists among all ethnic groups

First of all they use the term, regrettable. Why?

Is it regrettable that the media used the term in the first place, or the fact that these were a traveller family?
Why did they not say that it was regrettable that they were identified as an Irish family? Has any Irish interest group stated as much and if not why?

They clear imposition here is that they wish media outlets not identify future cases where crimes are committed by travellers to be censored.

Secondly, they acknowledge the true fact that no race, nationality or ethnic people are free from criminality, but refuse to even acknowledge the statistics from multiple sources as to the prevalence of crime among traveller communities.

Jesus Wept

Rabble rabble. Posters turning up to bash travellers as usual.

Jim Bob Scratcher

humberklog wrote: »

Wonder what the beauts in Paver Point make of this.

I wonder what John Connors makes of it.

ChikiChiki

fryup wrote: »

is this a new phenomenon irish travellers moving over to the UK? do they have links with english gypsy's and the like ?

They are exporting their shenanigans across Europe and even as far as Australia and making huge money scamming people. Zero tax paid on profits and they're let away with it. You only have to look at the cars in Rathkeale at Christmas and it would sicken you.

Irish Guitarist

padser

ChikiChiki wrote: »

They are exporting their shenanigans across Europe and even as far as Australia and making huge money scamming people. Zero tax paid on profits and they're let away with it. You only have to look at the cars in Rathkeale at Christmas and it would sicken you.

To be fair, travellers not paying tax ranks pretty low on my list of concerns ;-)

end of the road

ChikiChiki wrote: »

They are exporting their shenanigans across Europe and even as far as Australia and making huge money scamming people. Zero tax paid on profits and they're let away with it.

they are let away with it? i don't think so. granted every single 1 won't be caught but when they can be they are.

ChikiChiki wrote: »

You only have to look at the cars in Rathkeale at Christmas and it would sicken you.

if you suspect these have been gotten by illegal means, report it to the revenue who are obligated to do an investigation and who will investigate. you must have actual evidence though, jealousy because someone has a better car or more money then you won't quite work.

topper75

RayM wrote: »

They welcomed the fact that the perpetrators were brought to justice and offered their sympathy to the victims. They also acknowledged the regrettable fact that racist arseholes will inevitably use it as a stick to beat all Travellers with.

http://www.paveepoint.ie/no-to-exploitation-and-abuse/

Ah the traveller 'race'. I remember that well in my Inter cert biology:

Caucasoid
Negroid
Mongoloid
Travelleroid

Spider Web

Jesus Wept wrote: »

Rabble rabble. Posters turning up to bash travellers as usual.

I just don't get this. Downplaying horrific abuse in order to let people know they're such plebs.

It was the same from others with the revelations of the sex abuse ring in Newcastle recently - much more concern with telling people they're bigots than with the actual abuse.

It's in such poor taste.

Boom_Bap

MOD
Can you please discuss the topic at hand rather than making blanket statements about travelers. It adds nothing to the discussion and there have been too many threads shut down because of it in the past.

BattleCorp

RayM wrote: »

Their job is to help ensure that Travellers, as an ethnic minority in this country, aren't discriminated against. Therefore, it is only right and proper that they would acknowledge the inevitable fact that racists will use this crime as an excuse to attack all Travellers.

The practice of travellers having 'slaves' is not unique to the family in the OP's article.

Travellers don't call them slaves, they call them 'dossers'. Plenty of traveller families have dossers. I personally know one traveller that has a 'dosser'. Even though he is essentially a slave, he has been conditioned to accept this way of life. He has been rescued a few times but always ends up back with the traveller.

Red_Wake

I've got to get in on these traveller crime sprees, they sound profitable.

fryup

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

its a pity the truck driver didn't just drive off and let yer man hit the ground

Lux23

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

Yeah, it's all the medias fault that travellers get a bad name. They shouldn't have mentioned that it was a traveller family and only reported half the story so as not to hurt their feelings.

How is the fact that they are travellers half the story? It's not even part of the story.

Jesus Wept

Spider Web wrote: »

I just don't get this. Downplaying horrific abuse in order to let people know they're such plebs.

It was the same from others with the revelations of the sex abuse ring in Newcastle recently - much more concern with telling people they're bigots than with the actual abuse.

It's in such poor taste.

Suggesting that I downplayed abuse is in very poor taste.

Spider Web

Lux23 wrote: »

How is the fact that they are travellers half the story? It's not even part of the story.

Not even part of the story. Ah seriously...

Jesus Wept wrote: »

Suggesting that I downplayed abuse is in very poor taste.

Well sidestepped it so.

Jesus Wept

Spider Web wrote: »

Well sidestepped it so.

Hardly. I wrote ten words. It doesn't cover all aspects of my view on the matter. I wasn't asked any questions.

The abuse is deplorable, it pretty much goes without saying.
The people flocking to the thread with glee to tar a group based on the actions of a few people who are attributed to said group is also deplorable. This however doesn't seem to go without saying.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Ipso wrote: »

So are they Irish or are they a different ethnic group? I thought people didn't like when they wanted different ethnicity.

Aren't the Irish a mish mash of a lot things anyway. I got DNA tested for the laugh and had 15% Iberian.

Instant explanation for my brown eyes, dark hair, sallow complexion.

The 'Black Irish', we are own ethnic group. :pac:

Ipso

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Aren't the Irish a mish mash of a lot things anyway. I got DNA tested for the laugh and had 15% Iberian.

Instant explanation for my brown eyes, dark hair, sallow complexion.

The 'Black Irish', we are own ethnic group. :pac:

The good old Irish American term for people who don't have red hair and freckles.

Junkyard Tom

Will that crowd of scumbags have their property seized?

Tigger

BattleCorp wrote: »

The practice of travellers having 'slaves' is not unique to the family in the OP's article.

Travellers don't call them slaves, they call them 'dossers'. Plenty of traveller families have dossers. I personally know one traveller that has a 'dosser'. Even though he is essentially a slave, he has been conditioned to accept this way of life. He has been rescued a few times but always ends up back with the traveller.

It's defiantly a thing
I've come accross a good few polish alcoholics that have ended up like this
Here is an extract from a books detailing the practice

https://books.google.ie/books?id=WCKt0jLk3qIC&pg=PA62&lpg=PA62&dq=dosser+traveller&source=bl&ots=RD_QFohhN-&sig=Jv32XjFqy01zamewF43IsxLy32Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiw9q7976LWAhVLKMAKHWAOD_IQ6AEIJTAA#v=onepage&q=dosser%20traveller&f=false

Vic_08

Jesus Wept wrote: »

Hardly. I wrote ten words. It doesn't cover all aspects of my view on the matter. I wasn't asked any questions.

The abuse is deplorable, it pretty much goes without saying.
The people flocking to the thread with glee to tar a group based on the actions of a few people who are attributed to said group is also deplorable. This however doesn't seem to go without saying.

It isn't "the actions of a few", that is just not true. The practice of keeping people, usually men with severe learning disabilities or other vulnerable groups, as virtual slaves is not at all uncommon among Irish Travellers, both here and in the UK. They don't all do this but it is not an exceptional outlier as similar practices among the general population would be.

Even accepting that it is only a small % that do keep slaves, the entire extended family/clan of those doing it would be well aware that this is happening but they do nothing to stop it. How many settled people could you say that about? Would it really happen that any community on this island other than travellers would know about families in their midst keeping slaves and do nothing about it?

Sorry but your shtick that it is just more anti-traveller bias is crap. This group act in a way that if replicated by the population at large would turn our country into a fetid non-functioning chaotic cesspit with an economy even the likes of Mugabe would laugh at.