Modern Day Slavery

markodaly

Did anyone see this case on the News?

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0912/904129-nottingham-slavery/

The head of a UK-based Irish Traveller family has been jailed for ten years at Nottingham Crown Court on charges relating to modern slavery and fraud.

Martin Rooney Senior was one of seven people sentenced earlier today.

Sentencing in the case of another four will resume this afternoon.

The members of the Rooney family were based on a number of Traveller sites in Lincolnshire.

In sentencing, Judge Timothy Spencer described one of those sites, Drinsey Nook, as a hub of wholesale exploitation of vulnerable men.

Many of those targeted were homeless or had learning difficulties or drug problems.

A total of 18 men were forced to work for the Rooney family, ranging in age from 18 to 63.

The judge said violence was a consistent theme in this case and that victims knew any resistance was futile and would be met by more violence.

Shocking case. I thought this stuff only existed in Africa or the Middle East.

Jail is too good for them. They should be made work in a chain gang for a few decades.

Fair play to the police for tackling this and setting these people free.

Do you think anything like this is being done here?

Tigger

markodaly wrote: »

Did anyone see this case on the News?

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0912/904129-nottingham-slavery/



Shocking case. I thought this stuff only existed in Africa or the Middle East.

Jail is too good for them. They should be made work in a chain gang for a few decades.

Fair play to the police for tackling this and setting these people free.

Do you think anything like this is being done here?

Yes

Sofiztikated

markodaly wrote: »

Did anyone see this case on the News?

Shocking case. I thought this stuff only existed in Africa or the Middle East.

Jail is too good for them. They should be made work in a chain gang for a few decades.

Fair play to the police for tackling this and setting these people free.

Do you think anything like this is being done here?

https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/

According to this, they have surveyed 167 countries, and slavery is active in all.

There's an estimated 45.8 MILLION people in slavery around the world.

There was a program a while back where hotels around the world could submit a picture of their rooms, so they could be compared to pictures used by slavers and human traffickers, where they show their "wares" on the dark web. I didn't hear how successful it was though.

Wherever you find people, you'll find shit people, doing all sorts of horrible **** to each other.

Winterlong

'24 hours in police custody' had a feature on this a few months ago. (s05e03)
Big raid on a travellers camp where they suspected slaves were been kept.
But the slaves said they were happy with their lot and would not press charges, despite living in clear squalor.

Juran

Good on and fair play to the British police and justice system .... what would they get in Ireland, suspended sentence and 300 Euro fine ?????

humberklog

Wonder what the beauts in Paver Point make of this.

Goat the dote

humberklog wrote: »

Wonder what the beauts in Paver Point make of this.

It'll probably be said it's their culture.

Noveight

12 years a slave, boss.

tomwaterford

One poor lad was kept 26 years


Everyone of them dirty fuxks should get that

suicide_circus

Juran wrote: »

Good on and fair play to the British police and justice system .... what would they get in Ireland, suspended sentence and 300 Euro fine ?????

Probably get a 300 slavery euro grant

spiritnsoul

suicide_circus wrote: »

Probably get a 300 slavery euro grant

Not 2 mention free land and houses, maybe even deemed heroes for housing the poor unfortunates.

RayM

humberklog wrote: »

Wonder what the beauts in Paver Point make of this.

They welcomed the fact that the perpetrators were brought to justice and offered their sympathy to the victims. They also acknowledged the regrettable fact that racist arseholes will inevitably use it as a stick to beat all Travellers with.

http://www.paveepoint.ie/no-to-exploitation-and-abuse/

Irish Guitarist

It is regrettable that the Traveller community at large will be blamed for these acts due to the identification of the family, in the media, as a Traveller family.

Yeah, it's all the medias fault that travellers get a bad name. They shouldn't have mentioned that it was a traveller family and only reported half the story so as not to hurt their feelings.

humberklog

RayM wrote: »

They welcomed the fact that the perpetrators were brought to justice and offered their sympathy to the victims. They also acknowledged the regrettable fact that racist arseholes will inevitably use it as a stick to beat all Travellers with.

http://www.paveepoint.ie/no-to-exploitation-and-abuse/

Nice one, so some how they made themselves out to be prospective victims in all of this.

Bravo Pavee, bravo.

SEPT 23 1989

Just when you think they cant get any worse

Well done

AnthonyCny

We rely heavily on slave labour for 99% of our clothing.

Out of sight out of mind.

I know I'm contributing to it too

tomwaterford

AnthonyCny wrote: »

We rely heavily on slave labour for 99% of our clothing.

Out of sight out of mind.

I know I'm contributing to it too

I would hazard a guess this is only tip of the ice berg tbh

The police seemed to imply as much

RayM

humberklog wrote: »

Nice one, so some how they made themselves out to be prospective victims in all of this.

Bravo Pavee, bravo.

Their job is to help ensure that Travellers, as an ethnic minority in this country, aren't discriminated against. Therefore, it is only right and proper that they would acknowledge the inevitable fact that racists will use this crime as an excuse to attack all Travellers.

enricoh

Apparently its also an issue here in cannabis grow houses, nail bars, ethnic restaurants.
Im sure the gardai are eh on top of it, well sorta sure!!

Captain Obvious

Sofiztikated wrote: »

https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/

According to this, they have surveyed 167 countries, and slavery is active in all.

There's an estimated 45.8 MILLION people in slavery around the world.

There was a program a while back where hotels around the world could submit a picture of their rooms, so they could be compared to pictures used by slavers and human traffickers, where they show their "wares" on the dark web. I didn't hear how successful it was though.

Wherever you find people, you'll find shit people, doing all sorts of horrible **** to each other.

There is an app called traffickcam that allows you to take and upload photos of your hotel room for comparison to images on file with authorities.

There is also ongoing requests from Europol to identify objects in photographs to help identify the location.

https://www.europol.europa.eu/stopchildabuse

Captain Obvious

enricoh wrote: »

Apparently its also an issue here in cannabis grow houses, nail bars, ethnic restaurants.
Im sure the gardai are eh on top of it, well sorta sure!!

One of the top Interpol investigators of missing and exploited children is on secondment from the Gardaí.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvwToqWa2Js

Dr Brown

tomwaterford wrote: »

I would hazard a guess this is only tip of the ice berg tbh

The police seemed to imply as much

On BBC report I saw the Judge said that he believed this sort of practice was common on traveller sites.

biko

There was a thread here in AH at the time,I think it's this one
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056385515

Your Face

Not shocking, unfortunately.

BillyBobBS

Only a minority etc,, blah blah blah. Any word from Pavee yet? Yeah i thought not.

Spider Web

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Only a minority etc,, blah blah blah. Any word from Pavee yet? Yeah i thought not.

Only a few posts up, ffs.

The "but this means all travellers will be blamed" bit from Pavee Point is whataboutery and deflection, and it's in bad taste considering how horrific the treatment of those enslaved was. Those of you who are familiar with these slave camps in the UK beyond the one in today's news will know what I'm talking about. Absolutely hideous.

Imagine if the catholic church released a statement condemning child abuse by members of the clergy and then added on "But this means all priests will be blamed". Utterly tacky. It is up for discussion, but it doesn't have to be on the same blasted press release.

There are a lot of problems within traveller society and it's frustrating when people will not acknowledge this, or when criticism of these problems is deemed bigotry. I know not all travellers are criminals and massively self entitled and incapable of taking responsibility for themselves and prone to blaming settled society and the guards for their own shortcomings. I feel sorry for those who are stuck in the cycle and want to make a better life for themselves, and who are hindered - by both their own communities, and by the attitudes of some settled people who refuse to believe that there is any good traveller.

But the problems ultimately need to be tackled from within - and shutting it out and inane platitudes like "Settled society can have those problems too" (not to anywhere near the same extent, and these "slave farms" are not a settled Irish people thing) help nobody, least of all travellers.

donegaLroad

markodaly wrote: »

Did anyone see this case on the News?

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0912/904129-nottingham-slavery/



Shocking case. I thought this stuff only existed in Africa or the Middle East.

Jail is too good for them. They should be made work in a chain gang for a few decades.

Fair play to the police for tackling this and setting these people free.

Do you think anything like this is being done here?

it was happening in Letterkenny last year

biko

What is it with these ethnic minorities and keeping people as slaves?
Weird..

archer22

enricoh wrote: »

Apparently its also an issue here in cannabis grow houses, nail bars, ethnic restaurants.
Im sure the gardai are eh on top of it, well sorta sure!!

There was a programme about it before to do with foreigners enslaved in the Irish fishing industry and also well to do Irish families taking foreign nannies passports and paying them a pittance.I remember one Filipino girl was living in a container in the yard.
(think it was on RTE Prime time).

tomwaterford

biko wrote: »

What is it with these ethnic minorities and keeping people as slaves?
Weird..

What I would be wondering about these us

While it's probably only an absolute tiny tiny minority at it.

How many other traveller families know about it and not support it,but not report it (for any number of reasons) either??

mikemac2

The head of a UK-based Irish Traveller family has been jailed for ten years at Nottingham Crown Court on charges relating to modern slavery and fraud.

Why are they called Irish travellers when many lived their whole lives in the U.K. and have nothing to do with Ireland?

Tigger

mikemac2 wrote: »

Why are they called Irish travellers when many lived their whole lives in the U.K. and have nothing to do with Ireland?

its ther etnic status
its stupid but its the same as roma gypsies

fryup

is this a new phenomenon irish travellers moving over to the UK? do they have links with english gypsy's and the like ?

Ipso

Well the Roma aren't necessarily Romanian, there are a few populations throughout Europe who seem to be descended from groups from Northern India.

Kermit.de.frog

mikemac2 wrote: »

Why are they called Irish travellers when many lived their whole lives in the U.K. and have nothing to do with Ireland?

Unfortunately not only do we have to put up with their crap at home we also have to suffer the reputational damage abroad.

Any excuse for the Daily Mail, Telegraph etc and the Travellers provide it.

Tigger

Ipso wrote: »

Well the Roma aren't necessarily Romanian, there are a few populations throughout Europe who seem to be descended from groups from Northern India.

Irish travellers aren't nessicarly Irish

Ipso

Tigger wrote: »

its ther etnic status
its stupid but its the same as roma gypsies

So are they Irish or are they a different ethnic group? I thought people didn't like when they wanted different ethnicity.

Ipso

Tigger wrote: »

Irish travellers aren't nessicarly Irish

I thought they were a sub population that split of from the main population about 500 years ago, and stayed more or less endogamous.

foxy farmer

A little closer to home.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/scheme-for-fishing-crews-is-legitimising-slavery-1.2965818

markodaly

RayM wrote: »

Their job is to help ensure that Travellers, as an ethnic minority in this country, aren't discriminated against. Therefore, it is only right and proper that they would acknowledge the inevitable fact that racists will use this crime as an excuse to attack all Travellers.

The following is interesting.

It is regrettable that the Traveller community at large will be blamed for these acts due to the identification of the family, in the media, as a Traveller family.

As we have stated in the past, cruelty and criminality is not something that is exclusive to any one ethnic group – but rather something that, regrettably, exists among all ethnic groups

First of all they use the term, regrettable. Why?

Is it regrettable that the media used the term in the first place, or the fact that these were a traveller family?
Why did they not say that it was regrettable that they were identified as an Irish family? Has any Irish interest group stated as much and if not why?

They clear imposition here is that they wish media outlets not identify future cases where crimes are committed by travellers to be censored.

Secondly, they acknowledge the true fact that no race, nationality or ethnic people are free from criminality, but refuse to even acknowledge the statistics from multiple sources as to the prevalence of crime among traveller communities.

Jesus Wept

Rabble rabble. Posters turning up to bash travellers as usual.

Jim Bob Scratcher

humberklog wrote: »

Wonder what the beauts in Paver Point make of this.

I wonder what John Connors makes of it.

ChikiChiki

fryup wrote: »

is this a new phenomenon irish travellers moving over to the UK? do they have links with english gypsy's and the like ?

They are exporting their shenanigans across Europe and even as far as Australia and making huge money scamming people. Zero tax paid on profits and they're let away with it. You only have to look at the cars in Rathkeale at Christmas and it would sicken you.

Irish Guitarist

padser

ChikiChiki wrote: »

They are exporting their shenanigans across Europe and even as far as Australia and making huge money scamming people. Zero tax paid on profits and they're let away with it. You only have to look at the cars in Rathkeale at Christmas and it would sicken you.

To be fair, travellers not paying tax ranks pretty low on my list of concerns ;-)

end of the road

ChikiChiki wrote: »

They are exporting their shenanigans across Europe and even as far as Australia and making huge money scamming people. Zero tax paid on profits and they're let away with it.

they are let away with it? i don't think so. granted every single 1 won't be caught but when they can be they are.

ChikiChiki wrote: »

You only have to look at the cars in Rathkeale at Christmas and it would sicken you.

if you suspect these have been gotten by illegal means, report it to the revenue who are obligated to do an investigation and who will investigate. you must have actual evidence though, jealousy because someone has a better car or more money then you won't quite work.

topper75

RayM wrote: »

They welcomed the fact that the perpetrators were brought to justice and offered their sympathy to the victims. They also acknowledged the regrettable fact that racist arseholes will inevitably use it as a stick to beat all Travellers with.

http://www.paveepoint.ie/no-to-exploitation-and-abuse/

Ah the traveller 'race'. I remember that well in my Inter cert biology:

• Caucasoid
• Negroid
• Mongoloid
• Travelleroid

Spider Web

Jesus Wept wrote: »

Rabble rabble. Posters turning up to bash travellers as usual.

I just don't get this. Downplaying horrific abuse in order to let people know they're such plebs.

It was the same from others with the revelations of the sex abuse ring in Newcastle recently - much more concern with telling people they're bigots than with the actual abuse.

It's in such poor taste.

Boom_Bap

MOD
Can you please discuss the topic at hand rather than making blanket statements about travelers. It adds nothing to the discussion and there have been too many threads shut down because of it in the past.

BattleCorp

RayM wrote: »

Their job is to help ensure that Travellers, as an ethnic minority in this country, aren't discriminated against. Therefore, it is only right and proper that they would acknowledge the inevitable fact that racists will use this crime as an excuse to attack all Travellers.

The practice of travellers having 'slaves' is not unique to the family in the OP's article.

Travellers don't call them slaves, they call them 'dossers'. Plenty of traveller families have dossers. I personally know one traveller that has a 'dosser'. Even though he is essentially a slave, he has been conditioned to accept this way of life. He has been rescued a few times but always ends up back with the traveller.

Red_Wake

I've got to get in on these traveller crime sprees, they sound profitable.