€7000 in fines for doing donuts.

da6xsi

3500 for doing a few rings is ridiculous. doing 15kmh an hour in a circle WOW..super dangerous id say the impact at that speeds is ferocious alright..

while 1000s business orientated people in the country drives around with their head in their phones whether on normal roads or motorways doing 120kmh always see people in plush cars on their phones. thats a real danger to people around them but they get a soft fine and no one judges them..

15kmh rings=3500 fine and people thinking oh the danger and the noise what a travesty upon the roads..
using phone while driving in excess of 80 kmh = considerably less of a fine and no one cares cause everyone does it

hypocrisy at its finest from all the judgemental numptys

bladespin

CiniO wrote: »

In fact skidding can be done in fully controlled manner and it can be great fun.
It's just a skill which requires lots of training and possibly some talent, but it definitely can be learnt. Similar like mountainbiking, surfing, paragliding and other things which might seem difficult and dangerous for someone who never tried.

We argue the same thing about wheelies on motorbikes, yes you're in control, your skill will determine how safe/dangerous it is but a garda or the court will never take your word for that.

Noveight

Negative_G wrote: »

Only one word springs to mind when I see someone driving one of these cars - scroat.

IS200's are the choice of the scroats these days. Most lads can't afford to be diffing Twincams.

CiniO

Aubriella Chubby Soloist wrote: »

A car park or open area? So a defined place and any other place... are you actually serious? The car park belongs to someone or a company. Maybe, just maybe the owners don't want you doing stupid crap on their property?

Some carparks are public and still in isolated areas.
Beside some owners indeed don't want you to be coming to their carparks and doing donuts, but some don't mind.
There used to be a carpark in my home town belonging to one of the big supermarkets, and when it was empty at night especially when it snowed lots of people were coming over to practice skidding, etc and car park owners never mind.

Your logic is so flawed it's alarming. It's ok to do illegal things once you stop when somebody is coming. Is theft ok? What about setting sombodies car on fire? Maybe it's ok to take a crap in your letterbox, I mean, once nobody is harmed in the process it should be ok, right?

First of all it shouldn't be illegal at all to do it if you don't harm anyone.

You are not in control of your vehicle. Taking a bend with a skid or a power slide, are you for real...? How can you see that as being ok? ?

Yes I'm for real.
I can guarantee you that it's possible to take bend with a skid while still being in full control of your vehicle.

CiniO

bladespin wrote: »

We argue the same thing about wheelies on motorbikes, yes you're in control, your skill will determine how safe/dangerous it is but a garda or the court will never take your word for that.

I thing gardai and course see thing in the same way as most of society.
If society thinks it's dangerous than Garda and court ruling follows.

I'm just not sure why society thinks it's dangerous.

bladespin

CiniO wrote: »

I'm just not sure why society thinks it's dangerous.

Loud = scary must be mad dangerous.

Sofiztikated

CiniO wrote: »

Yes I'm for real.
I can guarantee you that it's possible to take bend with a skid while still being in full control of your vehicle.

Absolutely, and I'm guilty of hanging the arse out in a Merc Sprinter in a carpark in the ice and snow.

But lets not pretend that doing so on a road isn't irresponsible.

muddle84

CiniO wrote: »

Yes I'm for real.
I can guarantee you that it's possible to take bend with a skid while still being in full control of your vehicle.

Powersliding around a bend is a dangerous thing to do regardless of your skill level and knowledge of your own car. Yes you have full control over your car but you have no control over the conditions and whats around the bend. If its a public road there is risk involved in this.

beauf

There was bit more detail here...

http://www.independent.ie/business/farming/rural-life/brakes-put-on-doughnut-driving-farmer-and-farrier-after-online-video-identifies-them-36103710.html

Sgt Kieran O’Donnell outlining the case said gardai had received numerous complaints at 2 pm about the road being completely blocked by boy racers, who lined each side of the lakeside road where cars were doing doughnuts.

“The road was completely blocked up because of the congregation of the number of boy racers which had gathered there. Traffic was stopped,” the Sergeant said.

Investigating Garda Patrick Sullivan of Killarney said they had completed 11 doughnuts respectively in the course of around a minute – but the whole boy racing stunt in the scenic area along the Looscaunagh lake between Ladies View and Moll’s Gap ran for an hour.

Sue Pa Key Pa

CiniO wrote: »

S

I spent huge amount of my time training that kind of driving, skid control, etc, and I feel confident about negotiating bends with a skid, especially when driving in snow.
And normally when I do drive on snow on quite roads with no one around, i purposely skid a lot and have fun. Can't see anything dangerous in doing that, the same as I don't see anything dangerous in mountain biking or windsurfing etc...

You see, that's part of the problem. Some hero on his 1st learner's permit (naturally a better driver than all the auld boys on the road), sees you controlling your car and decides to give it a go on a public road. Learning to drive is dangerous enough, learning how to drift is imposing unnecessary danger to other road users

marcus001

CiniO wrote: »

See, your post is a perfect example of how people perceive it.
Skidding, powersliding, drifting etc equals deadly danger.
That's what most people think including judges and that's why situation is what it is.

In fact skidding can be done in fully controlled manner and it can be great fun.
It's just a skill which requires lots of training and possibly some talent, but it definitely can be learnt. Similar like mountainbiking, surfing, paragliding and other things which might seem difficult and dangerous for someone who never tried.

I spent huge amount of my time training that kind of driving, skid control, etc, and I feel confident about negotiating bends with a skid, especially when driving in snow.
And normally when I do drive on snow on quite roads with no one around, i purposely skid a lot and have fun. Can't see anything dangerous in doing that, the same as I don't see anything dangerous in mountain biking or windsurfing etc...

You feel confident because you mistake never having crashed for being a good driver. I hope you smash into a wall before you smash into someone else. Not because I want anything bad to happen to you but because you crashing is inevitable.

grogi

Sue Pa Key Pa wrote: »

You see, that's part of the problem. Some hero on his 1st learner's permit (naturally a better driver than all the auld boys on the road), sees you controlling your car and decides to give it a go on a public road. Learning to drive is dangerous enough, learning how to drift is imposing unnecessary danger to other road users

Drifting is like masturbation. Nobody says it should be done when there is anyone else in the proximity. But if done alone it is perfectly safe and fun... The car will not turn into a fireball blasting anything in 5 km radius...

Sue Pa Key Pa

grogi wrote: »

Drifting is like masturbation. Nobody says it should be done when there is anyone else in the proximity. But if done alone it is perfectly safe and fun...

Both activities are for ****

grogi

Sue Pa Key Pa wrote: »

Both activities are for ****

Now you are just a blushing hypocrite

bladespin

marcus001 wrote:

Not because I want anything bad to happen to you but because you crashing is inevitable.

Any source for that information?

You're factualizing something that's no more likely than you driving into the back of someone yourself.

grogi

I think in the end we can agree only that:
* for some posters any kind of power slide or skid is deadly
* for some posters a slide in a deserted area, where nobody is around - is acceptable.
* luckily nobody says that slides in the city centre are fine...

Henry Ford III

grogi wrote: »

I think in the end we can agree only that:
* for some posters any kind of power slide or skid is deadly
* for some posters a slide in a deserted area, where nobody is around - is acceptable.
* luckily nobody says that slides in the city centre are fine...

I wouldn't consider that a fair summation grogi.

colm_mcm

We're going around in circles

marcus001

grogi wrote: »

Drifting is like masturbation. Nobody says it should be done when there is anyone else in the proximity. But if done alone it is perfectly safe and fun... The car will not turn into a fireball blasting anything in 5 km radius...

Drifting is a lot like masturbation. The coolest thing ever if you're a 14 year old boy, but something you should probably try to avoid as you get older.

marcus001

bladespin wrote: »

Any source for that information?

You're factualizing something that's no more likely than you driving into the back of someone yourself.

The guy powerslides around corners on public roads. He's living on borrowed time.

bladespin

marcus001 wrote:

The guy powerslides around corners on public roads. He's living on borrowed time.

Where does he state that?

mrcheez

James Bond Junior wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0905/902559-garda-boy-racer-investigation/

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"Boy racers"


Bit sexist innit? :P

r3nu4l

Not really happy with the outcome at all. Scum like this deserve long driving bans. Delighted with the 3500 fine and the limiter but there should have been bans on top, preferably 2-3 years.

No problem with doughnuts, apart from the fact that they are pointless and you have to be a special kind of stupid to find them entertaining but if that's your thing, fire away...on private land, not a public road.

This type of scum don't seem to care about the fact that noise carries far at night or that anyone else might be disrupted by them. Just a pity the punishments weren't more harsh. The problem with Irish justice, far too soft on anti-social behaviour.

marcus001

bladespin wrote: »

Where does he state that?

Here

CiniO wrote: »

So what's wrong if I decide to take a bend with powerslide or skid?
Assuming it's an area with perfect visibility and can be seen there's no one around?

Why is it stupid if no harm can be made to anyone?

CiniO wrote: »

See, your post is a perfect example of how people perceive it.
Skidding, powersliding, drifting etc equals deadly danger.
That's what most people think including judges and that's why situation is what it is.

In fact skidding can be done in fully controlled manner and it can be great fun.
It's just a skill which requires lots of training and possibly some talent, but it definitely can be learnt. Similar like mountainbiking, surfing, paragliding and other things which might seem difficult and dangerous for someone who never tried.

I spent huge amount of my time training that kind of driving, skid control, etc, and I feel confident about negotiating bends with a skid, especially when driving in snow.
And normally when I do drive on snow on quite roads with no one around, i purposely skid a lot and have fun. Can't see anything dangerous in doing that, the same as I don't see anything dangerous in mountain biking or windsurfing etc...

Synthol

r3nu4l wrote: »

Not really happy with the outcome at all. Scum like this deserve long driving bans. Delighted with the 3500 fine and the limiter but there should have been bans on top, preferably 2-3 years.

No problem with doughnuts, apart from the fact that they are pointless and you have to be a special kind of stupid to find them entertaining but if that's your thing, fire away...on private land, not a public road.

This type of scum don't seem to care about the fact that noise carries far at night or that anyone else might be disrupted by them. Just a pity the punishments weren't more harsh. The problem with Irish justice, far too soft on anti-social behaviour.

Completely agree, there should be mandatory death penalty without a trial just like in Saudi Arabia. Exceeding the speed by 1 km/h or more also should be mandatory death penalty. Having no tax, nct or insurance should be life in prison without parole and with hard labour which includes working for 16 hours per day 7 days per week including all the national holidays.

Henry Ford III

Performing stunts on public roads such as donuts, drifting, powerslides etc. aren't petty offences. Plenty of private roads and tracks are available for that stuff.

Ursus Horribilis

From what I've observed of the local yahoos who do donuts near my parents house, it's just one aspect of their dangerous driving. I've yet to see one driver who has done donuts come back out onto the public road and drive in a civilised manner. No, they all tear past my parents house (which is on a country road) at dangerously high speeds. If anyone is ever unlucky enough to ever meet them coming towards them, god help them. ..

seamus

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

I've yet to see one driver who has done donuts come back out onto the public road and drive in a civilised manner.

That's exactly it. The people who do stunts on public roads have no respect for the rules, no respect for the public and no respect for the responsibility that comes with driving a tonne of steel around in public.

They have already demonstrated that they're idiots who cannot be trusted with the responsibility of driving in public.

They should be glad with their small fines and speed limiters. A more reasonable sentence would be a five year ban and two crushed vehicles.

Driving is a privilege and a responsibility, not a right. Abuse that responsibility and you should be harshly punished.

Ultimate Seduction

seamus wrote:

They should be glad with their small fines and speed limiters. A more reasonable sentence would be a five year ban and two crushed vehicles.

So with that logic, the fella doing a few burnouts with no real risk of killing anyone, deserves bigger punishment than a fella driving home scuttered?

dense

JimmyMcGill wrote: »

Nothing safer than spending longer than necessary driving on the wrong side of the road.
Lack of speed kills too.

Best just to stay on the proper side then.

HGVs are limited.

I don't see their limiters being cited as Causing accidents do you?