Does the old IRA still exist? (Mod warning in op)

Rumpy Pumpy

Drinking in a pub on the periphery of Dublin CC, and a few auld lads came in selling a newspaper called The Starry Plough. Didn't buy a copy, but had a read of it while waiting for the barman to hurry up.

Is there still a Republican tradition that rejects the idea of the 26 county 'statelet'? And advocates a 32 county socialist republic?


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Kerryman79

Dude thats the INLA not the IRA or PIRA

joeguevara

Republicanism is very strange....especially down south....as an ex owner of a bar in Carlow, I was always amazed at who tried to demand do my door....for example, my father is from Donegal and he invited a great band (similar to the Wolfe tones) to sing...three days before a Sinn Fein councillor came in and demanded 10% of the takings as the pub was making profits off the sinn finn struggle...my father asked him was he in castlrea or portlaoise, he stuttered and wasn't long being told to leave...I have never seen as many armchair republicans as I have seen being an owner of a bar...people being associated with gangs, parties and especially people...I love songs and history, and I cannot stand bully's..I especiallly cannot stand people who try and make money off others..

Wexfordboy89

If u mean the civil war ira then no they disbanded in the 50s afaik.

Are Am Eye

The INLA subsribe to the principle You read it-You buy it.
Expect a visit from the boys in the wooly hats OP.

masti123

The Continuity IRA exist and Republican Sinn Féin. They've maintained the Republican tradition of rejecting the two partitionist states.

Since 1923 there have been two splits with the IRA/Sinn Féin. The first being in 1969 when the Officials voted to accept Leinster House and Stormont at their Árd Fheis and Army Convention. The 'traditionalists' walked out and formed the Provisional IRA, stating that they remained loyal to the Irish Republic, and thus they were the true Republican Movement.

And the other split in 1986 was essentially a repeat. The Provisionals voted to accept Leinster House. The 'traditionalists' walked out and formed the Continuity IRA, stating that they remained loyal to the Irish Republic, and thus they were the true Republican Movement.

joeguevara

masti123 wrote: »

The Continuity IRA exist and republican Sinn Féin. They've maintained the Republican tradition of rejecting the two partitionist states.

Since 1923 there have been two splits with the IRA/Sinn Féin. The first being in 1969 when the Officials voted to accept Leinster House and Stormont at their Árd Fheis and Army Convention. The 'traditionalists' walked out and formed the Provisional IRA, stating that they remained loyal to the Irish Republic, and thus they were the true Republican Movement.

And the other split in 1986 was essentially a repeat. The Provisionals voted to accept Leinster House. The 'traditionalists' walked out and from the Continuity IRA and Republican Sinn Féin, stating that they remained loyal to the Irish Republic, and thus they were the true Republican Movement.

You're right and you're wrong....you have quoted an historical reason for different republican parties.... in reality, the man on the street will have little knowledge if he is a sticky, provoor or an irp...he will hate the crown and what he does will back that up...he will follow his father for the fraction he is in....that is my understanding, maybe I am wrong?

Kermit.de.frog

How many IRA's are there?

Real IRA
Continuity IRA
Old IRA
The IRA
I Can't Believe it's Not the IRA

etc etc...

timthumbni

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

How many IRA's are there?

Real IRA
Continuity IRA
Old IRA
The IRA
I Can't Believe it's Not the IRA

etc etc...

And everyone of them are complete losers and cocksuckers to boot....

Cookie_Monster

They'll be back in force on Brexit puts the border back up, fun and games all round.

whisky_galore

They're in the diesel laundering business now. ..

fermanagh_man

We haven't gone away you know

lifeandtimes

There's no IRA.....and we'll kill anyone who says there is!

LordSutch

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

Does the old IRA still exist?

I think the old IRA disbanded in the 1950s.
The Provisional IRA disbanded in the 90s.

Then there was a crop of new IRAs, of which I know nothing ........

Continuity IRA, New IRA, Real IRA, Low fat IRA, Bad IRA, Phat IRA, I can't believe its not the real IRA - IRA, etc . . . . . lots of black barets, balaclavas, doc martins, tats & sunglasses

No bombs or shootings, which is nice.

fatknacker

IRA
IRB
IRC

twilight_singer

Old IRA should of seriously copyrighted the name/brand......think of the royalties!!

Effects

whisky_galore wrote: »

They're in the diesel laundering business now. ..

Now? Didn't they start it off here.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

Drinking in a pub on the periphery of Dublin CC, and a few auld lads came in selling a newspaper called The Starry Plough. Didn't buy a copy, but had a read of it while waiting for the barman to hurry up.

Is there still a Republican tradition that rejects the idea of the 26 county 'statelet'? And advocates a 32 county socialist republic?

All I'll say is you obviously have no idea what the Old IRA was if that's how you imagine them.

Rumpy Pumpy

Raymond Shrilling Performance wrote: »

All I'll say is you obviously have no idea what the Old IRA was if that's how you imagine them.

You probably fought alongside Collins in fairness. Famed for your sourness and pettiness.

munsterlegend

Raymond Shrilling Performance wrote: »

All I'll say is you obviously have no idea what the Old IRA was if that's how you imagine them.

The original Old Ira led by Collins are clearly heroes to most Irish people. Thankfully they against all the odds freed most of this Island of a tyranny that nearly wiped out our country and heritage.

Unfortunately they remained in a certain part of the Island and look at it. A society that has to pull walls between its people.

Answering the question do they still exist? I am sure they do but unlike 1919 they don't have a mandate and most of the injustices have been resolved.

FTA69

LordSutch wrote: »

I think the old IRA disbanded in the 1950s.
The Provisional IRA disbanded in the 90s.

What are you on about Sutch?

There was no disbanding of any IRA in the 1950s. After the Civil War the IRA basically continued as a reasonably solid incarnation (bar a few people foraying into organisations such as Saor Uladh, Saor Éire and a few other schisms) until 1969 when the IRA split into the Provisionals (later to become the de facto Irish Republican Army) and the Officials (later to become the Workers Party and then a part of Labour.)

The Provisionals went on ceasefire in 1994, later continued in 1996 and wound up generally around 2007. They still do exist however, but no longer on a military or operational footing.

Chips Lovell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUXqH1rhHrc

Grayson

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

You probably fought alongside Collins in fairness. Famed for your sourness and pettiness.

My Granddad did. He was in 1916, he was in intelligence with collins during the war of independence and was one of the first 21 officers in the freestate army.

Apparently in the 60's and 70's he would say that the guys up north weren't the IRA. The IRA had been disbanded. Those guys were just "gurriers with guns".

masti123

FTA69 wrote: »

What are you on about Sutch?

There was no disbanding of any IRA in the 1950s. After the Civil War the IRA basically continued as a reasonably solid incarnation (bar a few people foraying into organisations such as Saor Uladh, Saor Éire and a few other schisms) until 1969 when the IRA split into the Provisionals (later to become the de facto Irish Republican Army) and the Officials (later to become the Workers Party and then a part of Labour.)

The Provisionals went on ceasefire in 1994, later continued in 1996 and wound up generally around 2007. They still do exist however, but no longer on a military or operational footing.

The Provisionals were the de facto Irish Republican Army after the 1969 for the fact that they were the only army to recognise the Irish Republic. You cannot claim to the the Army of the Irish Republic while not recognising that Republic. It stands to reason.

The same logic would apply for the Continuity movement after the 1986 split.

branie2

Grayson wrote: »

My Granddad did. He was in 1916, he was in intelligence with collins during the war of independence and was one of the first 21 officers in the freestate army.

Apparently in the 60's and 70's he would say that the guys up north weren't the IRA. The IRA had been disbanded. Those guys were just "gurriers with guns".

My grandfather was in the IRA and Free State Army as well

Ush1

Peoples Front of Judea...

FTA69

masti123 wrote: »

The Provisionals were the de facto Irish Republican Army after the 1969 for the fact that they were the only army to recognise the Irish Republic. You cannot claim to the the Army of the Irish Republic while not recognising that Republic. It stands to reason.

The same logic would apply for the Continuity movement after the 1986 split.

Balls. The Continuity IRA were and are a joke with zero tradition of resistance in Ireland and even today are more akin to some sort of bizarre cult than anything else.

branie2

We're the Judean People's front!

McMurphy

UP DA RA

BRITS OUT

TUPAC 4EVA!

masti123

FTA69 wrote: »

Balls. The Continuity IRA were and are a joke with zero tradition of resistance in Ireland and even today are more akin to some sort of bizarre cult than anything else.

What logic would support the legitimacy of the Provisional's following their formation whilst discounting the legitimacy of the Continuity movement? The Continuity movement claimed much of the same legitimacy as the Provisionals did initially; continuity of purpose and principle, support of the second Dáil through Gen. Tom Maguire etc etc. What made those markers of legitimacy valid for the Provisionals but not for the Contos?

What exactly makes you feel that said legitimacy should remain with them in retirement? What would make you suggest that they are the 'only one IRA, one Irish Republican Army'? I am confident that you will find no logical rationale to support that opinion here.

Chips Lovell

There's nothing funnier than various factions of provos arguing over which of them legitimate one.