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    #2582
    francois
    Registered Users Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭francois


    It is a start

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/mar/07/facebook-anti-vaxx-vaccine-hoax-ads


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    #2583
    wobatkicker23
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭wobatkicker23


    brightspark wrote: »
    So you know all about the serious complications of so called "childhood diseases" and still don't think vaccination is a good idea?

    It seems to be true that anti-vaxxers think a dead child is better than an immunised child

    I think given the choice, most people would choose a child without Autism.


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    #2584
    mzungu
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,307 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    wobatkicker23 wrote: »
    I have all the knowledge and textbooks that are available to the doctor on the subject.
    I hate to break it to you, but you don't. I would be interested as to what medical textbooks you were reading?
    wobatkicker23 wrote: »
    How many times have you heard of a GP saying to cut down on fats when they are meant to be knowledgeable in terms of nutrition?

    Never. Mine always told me they are an essential as part of a balanced diet.


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    #2585
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,140 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    wobatkicker23 wrote: »
    I think given the choice, most people would choose a child without Autism.

    What's vaccines got to do with that (:D). You are, of course, familiar with the recent study in Denmark, right? As someone with all the knowledge the doctor's have.

    I mean, really. Is this the best the anti-vaxxers that lurk here (all 3 or 4 of you) can come up with?


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    #2586
    wobatkicker23
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭wobatkicker23


    mzungu wrote: »
    I hate to break it to you, but you don't. I would be interested as to what medical textbooks you were reading?



    Never. Mine always told me they are an essential as part of a balanced diet.

    I didn’t ask about your GP.


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    #2587
    mzungu
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,307 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    wobatkicker23 wrote: »
    I think given the choice, most people would choose a child without Autism.

    No difference between rates of autism in areas with both high and low vaccine uptake rates.

    Vaccines do not cause autism.


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    #2588
    wobatkicker23
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭wobatkicker23


    Igotadose wrote: »
    What's vaccines got to do with that (:D). You are, of course, familiar with the recent study in Denmark, right? As someone with all the knowledge the doctor's have.

    I mean, really. Is this the best the anti-vaxxers that lurk here (all 3 or 4 of you) can come up with?

    You are aware that the study carried out in Denmark was funded by the NWO controlled parliament?


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    #2589
    wobatkicker23
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭wobatkicker23


    mzungu wrote: »
    No difference between rates of autism in areas with both high and low vaccine uptake rates.

    Vaccines do not cause autism.

    Correlation does not imply causation and thergo the inverse is true.


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    #2590
    francois
    Registered Users Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭francois


    wobatkicker23 wrote: »
    You are aware that the study carried out in Denmark was funded by the NWO controlled parliament?

    oh dear


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    #2591
    mzungu
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,307 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    wobatkicker23 wrote: »
    I didn’t ask about your GP.

    Most GPs would tell you they are an essential part of a balanced diet.


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    #2592
    mzungu
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,307 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    wobatkicker23 wrote: »
    You are aware that the study carried out in Denmark was funded by the NWO controlled parliament?

    Ah Jaysus.


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    #2593
    wobatkicker23
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭wobatkicker23


    mzungu wrote: »
    I hate to break it to you, but you don't. I would be interested as to what medical textbooks you were reading?



    Never. Mine always told me they are an essential as part of a balanced diet.

    I don’t have access to all the knowledge?


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    #2594
    brightspark
    Registered Users Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭brightspark


    wobatkicker23 wrote: »
    I think given the choice, most people would choose a child without Autism.

    So you are saying you would prefer your son dead instead of being immunised!

    But there is no credible evidence linking autism to vaccines, it would be just as easy to show a link between autism and the number of cars on the road...are you walking everywhere?


    Perhaps it is organic food?

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    Perhaps it is mobile phones?

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    Given that mobile phones operate using radio frequencies have you taken the precaution of removing all sources of WiFi etc?


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    #2595
    mzungu
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    wobatkicker23 wrote: »
    Correlation does not imply causation and thergo the inverse is true.

    This was not one study, this has been replicated numerous times. There are no differences between places with high and low uptake rates.

    Although, there has been an increase in measles outbreaks in areas with low vaccination rates. You should really be worried about those, shouldn't you?


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    #2596
    wobatkicker23
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭wobatkicker23


    brightspark wrote: »

    Given that mobile phones operate using radio frequencies have you taken the precaution of removing all sources of WiFi etc?

    I have taken this precaution actually.


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    #2597
    francois
    Registered Users Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭francois


    mzungu wrote: »
    This was not one study, this has been replicated numerous times. There are no differences between places with high and low uptake rates.

    Although, there has been a increase in measles outbreaks in areas with low vaccination rates. You should really be worried about those, shouldn't you?

    Pointless arguing with the anti-vaxx zealots, no matter how much evidence you put forward (and there is a LOT), they will not believe you, because it would force them to confront the fact they are wrong, and they are unable to accept this. Thpough given the last post on wifi I'm starting to suspect a troll at work


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    #2598
    Eoinbmw
    Registered Users Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭Eoinbmw


    wobatkicker23 wrote: »
    I have taken this precaution actually.

    Get in a boat and row off the side of your flat earth you moron!


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    #2599
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,140 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    wobatkicker23 wrote: »
    You are aware that the study carried out in Denmark was funded by the NWO controlled parliament?

    :eek::eek::eek:I had no idea! That explains it. Did they control the parliament in 2002 when they did the study previously?

    Is that why tinfoil hats are illegal in Denmark?


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    #2600
    brightspark
    Registered Users Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭brightspark


    francois wrote: »
    Pointless arguing with the anti-vaxx zealots, no matter how much evidence you put forward (and there is a LOT), they will not believe you, because it would force them to confront the fact they are wrong, and they are unable to accept this.

    Yes, they need to be deported to a remote island along with the flat-earthers, preferably somewhere in the southern hemisphere.


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    #2601
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    wobatkicker23 wrote: »
    I have taken this precaution actually.

    Your children should be taken from you and given to a responsible family. The top priority should be the care of your child, not growing your ego at your childs expense.

    It's really sad that anybody can have this much power over a human life.


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    #2602
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,867 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    wobatkicker23 wrote: »
    I think given the choice, most people would choose a child without Autism.

    Cite evidence that vaccines cause autism please.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #2603
    francois
    Registered Users Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭francois


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Cite evidence that vaccines cause autism please.

    *crickets & tumbleweed*


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    #2604
    francois
    Registered Users Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭francois


    Treatment of unvaccinated Oregon boy with tetanus cost nearly $1m, CDC says

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/09/cdc-treatment-cost-tetanus-unvaccinated-oregon-boy?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard


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    #2605
    wobatkicker23
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭wobatkicker23


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Cite evidence that vaccines cause autism please.

    The burden of proof is on you.


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    #2606
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    wobatkicker23 wrote: »
    The burden of proof is on you.
    You're claiming that autism is caused by vaccines... So you are required to offer proof.


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    #2607
    wobatkicker23
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭wobatkicker23


    batgoat wrote: »
    You're claiming that autism is caused by vaccines... So you are required to offer proof.

    I am saying that there are question marks. They haven’t been proved safe.

    In healthcare the burden of proof lies with the side who are saying it’s safe.

    I am married to a GP and while he privately supports our stance, he would be crucified if it was publicly known he was against vaccines. A number of his colleagues feel the same way.


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    #2608
    brightspark
    Registered Users Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭brightspark


    wobatkicker23 wrote: »
    I am saying that there are question marks. They haven’t been proved safe.

    In healthcare the burden of proof lies with the side who are saying it’s safe.

    And they are proven safe through clinical trials, not social media comments by conspiracy theorists

    wobatkicker23 wrote: »
    I am married to a GP and while he privately supports our stance, he would be crucified if it was publicly known he was against vaccines. A number of his colleagues feel the same way.

    If he truly believes vaccines are unsafe and of course can prove it, he would be ethically bound to publish the information, as would his colleagues.
    Otherwise it's hearsay.


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    #2609
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    wobatkicker23 wrote: »
    I am saying that there are question marks. They haven’t been proved safe.

    In healthcare the burden of proof lies with the side who are saying it’s safe.

    I am married to a GP and while he privately supports our stance, he would be crucified if it was publicly known he was against vaccines. A number of his colleagues feel the same way.

    They are proven to be safe. You are not providing that they are unsafe and frankly your view of people with autism is abominable.


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    #2610
    wobatkicker23
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭wobatkicker23


    batgoat wrote: »
    They are proven to be safe. You are not providing that they are unsafe and frankly your view of people with autism is abominable.

    My view of people with autism? What are you talking about?


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    #2611
    brightspark
    Registered Users Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭brightspark


    wobatkicker23 wrote: »
    My view of people with autism? What are you talking about?

    I suspect the fact that you would prefer your son to die from measles than risk him becoming autistic.

    Ask your husband how many children become brain damaged from measles etc.


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